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Post#181 » by shakendfries » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:08 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:I really like Frank Ntilikina for the long term, but I think the Knix whiffed big time passing on Dennis Smith Jr.
I saw this back at NC State. DSJ and Tatum were both players who I thought should've garnered more press in the lead up to the draft. (IMO, Tatum should've been in the conversation for #1 and DSJ should've been a lock for top-5. I never understood the fascination with Josh Jackson.)

I thought DSJ should've easily been in the conversation with Fultz and Ball for who would become the best PG. He knew how to run a team as the best player and didn't use it as a crutch as much as Fultz did. IMO, he looked more composed/mature, was more explosive, and was more of a dynamic creator than Fultz.

If you're able to stand out in the ACC and go toe to toe with the likes of Duke and UNC, you're a problem. Fultz was given the built-in excuse that his team sucked and so there was no critique of him not being able to elevate his teammates like Ball or refuse to accept losing like DSJ.

I got this from watching one game and a bunch of highlights. It doesn't shock me that Curry would say this about him, but it's a little surprising that a superstar would heap this kind of detailed adulation on a rookie this early in his career.

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There's a clip of DSJ washing Whitehead at a Steph Curry UnderArmor camp from a year or 2 back. It looks like even then DSJ showed up all the prospects that were invited, so it's no surprise Curry is familiar







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Re: Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread 

Post#182 » by brook » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:11 pm

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Mirza would be a beast here with this team.



I agree. Always loved Mirza!

Bucks still lookin for a trade for Mirza (or Henson) for cap relief , but we can't nothing to offer.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread 

Post#183 » by Prokorov » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:06 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:It can be used in a trade, but can only return a player on an expiring contract, and can't be combined with other salary or cap space.We;d also need an open roster spot to accommodate anyone signed or traded for with the exception.



I'm pretty sure that is incorrect....

How the Disabled Player Exception Works

The Disabled Player Exception is an exception to the salary cap. This means teams far under the cap get zero use from it, especially since exceptions cannot be traded.
Unlike other exceptions, teams must apply for the Disabled Player Exception. That application can only be submitted on or before January 15 and the exception can be used no later than March 10 of that season or when the player returns, whichever happens first.
The Disabled Player Exception allows that injured player to get back on the court. It does not work like an Injured Reserve in some sports where the player cannot return that season even if he recover but the team justifiably cannot use the exception to replace an already-returned player.
The amount of the Disabled Player Exception is the lesser of half the injured player’s salary or the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception. Technically, teams get an extra $100,000 of wiggle room if they use their DPE to trade for a player but that is pretty much the deal.
If approved, the Disabled Player Exception can only be used on one player. While teams can choose to split some exceptions like the Mid-Levels and Bi-Annual, the DPE cannot go to multiple players. The entire exception expires once used regardless of the replacement player’s salary. This makes sense given the purpose of the exception.
However the Disabled Player Exception is used, that season must be the final season on the new player’s contract. This means no option years or anything of the sort. No remaining years, no exceptions.
Generating a Disabled Player Exception does not reduce the salary of the player in question and has no impact on the luxury tax obligations of a franchise unless used. As an exception, the DPE only functions as a way for teams to add a piece to replace the injured player. The CBA does have a way for teams to apply for cap relief in cases of death and career-ending injury, detailed here.
Teams can use a Disabled Player Exception to sign a free agent, trade for a player or claim someone off waivers as long as they fit the other requirements. This nuance separates the DPE from the MLE and BAE (cannot trade for a player) and trade exceptions (cannot be used to sign a player).
The Disabled Player Exception is year-to-year and teams can apply for multiple seasons with the same player and injury (in some cases). Teams can only apply for the DPE during that league year and it expires before the end of the season, so it makes sense that a franchise can use the same process the following season should the circumstances still apply. When moving from one league year to the next, it can be the same injury or a new one to the same individual.
Teams can actually apply for the Disabled Player Exception multiple times in the same season on the same player under certain circumstances. If a team applies for a DPE and the league rejects it, they can wait 90 days and re-apply for the same player. However, Section 6 (c)(8) states that the new application must be based on “a new injury or an aggravation of the same injury” meaning something new has to actually happen to the player during that time.
Applying for the Disabled Player Exception

The DPE stands out among the CBA exceptions because teams have to apply for it, leading to one of the more interesting processes in the league. As specified by Article VII, Section 6(c)(4), after a submitted application a doctor designated by the NBA evaluates the relevant medical information and the player himself should the doctor want that. Like other medical evaluations, the player in question must participate and be truthful.

The standard for granting the exception specified by Section 6(c)(2) is “any injury or illness that, in the opinion of the physician described in Section 6(c)(4) below, makes it substantially more likely than not that the player would be unable to play through the following June 15.”

If the NBA-appointed doctor determines it is substantially more likely than not the player will be unable to play through the following June 15, the team gets the exception.

However, if the doctor rejects the application for the DPE, the Player’s Association can appeal. If that occurs, the case goes to the “neutral physician” which is a truly great title. At the beginning of each league year, the NBA and NBPA agree on a doctor for this purpose. The neutral physician has the same criteria and their determination is final, binding and unappealable.

The other reason the DPE can get really interesting is the difference in standard and application here. “Substantially more likely than not” does not mean the doctor has ruled the player out conclusively. In fact, the rules governing the exception specifically talk about the player’s potential return that season in 6(c)(6) discussed above.


first line says the exception cant be traded. typicall salary cap exceptions cant be traded... only trade exceptions can be traded
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Re: Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread 

Post#184 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:13 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:It can be used in a trade, but can only return a player on an expiring contract, and can't be combined with other salary or cap space.We;d also need an open roster spot to accommodate anyone signed or traded for with the exception.



I'm pretty sure that is incorrect....

How the Disabled Player Exception Works

The Disabled Player Exception is an exception to the salary cap. This means teams far under the cap get zero use from it, especially since exceptions cannot be traded.
...
Teams can use a Disabled Player Exception to sign a free agent, trade for a player or claim someone off waivers as long as they fit the other requirements. This nuance separates the DPE from the MLE and BAE (cannot trade for a player) and trade exceptions (cannot be used to sign a player).
...


first line says the exception cant be traded. typicall salary cap exceptions cant be traded... only trade exceptions can be traded

The first line simply means that it's an ability to exceed the cap. If you're $20mil under the cap (we're not) a $6.1mil exception is useless. In that line, can't be traded means that you can't trade the exception to another team to use for compensation.

Further down it stipulates that it can be traded assuming other requirements are met. The big one is that anybody you trade for must be in the final year of his contract.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread 

Post#185 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:41 pm

Yeah, that clearly says, multiple times, that the DPE can be used in trade.
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Post#186 » by shakendfries » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:10 am

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Re: Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread 

Post#187 » by steady » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:44 am

Kings are resting their starters tomorrow so DeAaron Fox will be starting against the Wizards.

Wall vs Fox - speed overdrive .
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Post#188 » by Paradise » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:12 pm

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Re: Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread 

Post#189 » by TinmanZBoy » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:18 am

the freaking Nuggets 3rd quarter run, again...
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Post#190 » by TinmanZBoy » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:19 am

steady wrote:Kings are resting their starters tomorrow so DeAaron Fox will be starting against the Wizards.

Wall vs Fox - speed overdrive .


Fox sucks...
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Post#191 » by Prokorov » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:03 am

Jaylen Brown is going to be an absolute beast. like what Andrew Wiggins was supposed to be
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Re: Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread 

Post#192 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:13 am

Prokorov wrote:Jaylen Brown is going to be an absolute beast. like what Andrew Wiggins was supposed to be


and Tatum will be his wing man.

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Post#193 » by Juneway » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:40 am

I get that Nets already have so many guards and wingmen. But man Jonathan Simmons is really a good fit here.
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Post#194 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:09 am

Prokorov wrote:Jaylen Brown is going to be an absolute beast. like what Andrew Wiggins was supposed to be
You mean what HS Wiggins was projected to be? Back then, he had the LBJ comps.

His time at Kansas divided people. A lot of people thought he was talented but didn't have the desire to be one of the best. At the same time, many stuck with their initial thoughts and believed he would be great.

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Post#195 » by Ror1997 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:46 am

OG Anunoby looking like a steal in Toronto. Stats don't pop out but he changes the defense completely.
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Post#196 » by Curns13 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:49 pm

Ror1997 wrote:OG Anunoby looking like a steal in Toronto. Stats don't pop out but he changes the defense completely.

I remember posing a DeMarre Carrol and OG trade before the real one came along. Would have loved to have gotten him instead of the 2nd. No complaints, Marks robbed Toronto blind, but OG would been awesome.
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Post#197 » by Ror1997 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:40 pm

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Ror1997 wrote:OG Anunoby looking like a steal in Toronto. Stats don't pop out but he changes the defense completely.

I remember posing a DeMarre Carrol and OG trade before the real one came along. Would have loved to have gotten him instead of the 2nd. No complaints, Marks robbed Toronto blind, but OG would been awesome.


I know everybody here loves the Allen selection but I'm still bummed we didn't draft OG. I can't believe he fell to 22 to begin with.

Getting him in the Carroll trade would've been cool but unrealistic. I think OG was their carroll replacement anyways so it would've been weird for them to trade him.
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Post#198 » by steady » Sat Nov 4, 2017 4:44 pm

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steady wrote:Kings are resting their starters tomorrow so DeAaron Fox will be starting against the Wizards.

Wall vs Fox - speed overdrive .


Fox sucks...


What? ?

https://clutchpoints.com/kings-news-brad-stevens-compares-deaaron-fox-mike-conley/
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Post#199 » by Roy Tarpley » Mon Nov 6, 2017 10:09 pm

I remember monitoring the NBA draft boards and Kyle Kuzma was nowhere to be seen as far as I can remember. And then he crushed the summer league and looks very polished already now. Gotta credit Magic for this pick. Kuzma's college stats weren't that impressive so maybe Magic used the eye test.
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Post#200 » by Ror1997 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 1:16 am

Roy Tarpley wrote:I remember monitoring the NBA draft boards and Kyle Kuzma was nowhere to be seen as far as I can remember. And then he crushed the summer league and looks very polished already now. Gotta credit Magic for this pick. Kuzma's college stats weren't that impressive so maybe Magic used the eye test.


That's why I'm not salty about Kuzma. We wouldn't have taken him had we kept the pick.

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