Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[bigfoot]

All this crying for an elite point guard to put next to Booker is crazy. We need three really good players ... Booker and Jackson look to be two of the three. The third could come from Bender, Chriss, our picks next year, or a free agent signing. What people need to realize is neither Jordan or Kobe had an elite point guard next to them. What we need is a point guard who was willing to play defense, hit a three reliably, and at times could help run the offense. Booker and Jackson will initiate a lot of the offense so I would not expect to get a PG that is going to dish 10+ assists per game.

Booker has already upped his assist output and that will get even better as he learns to handle double teams. Really one of James and/or Ulis look to be an decent candidates right now and seem to be happy with the opportunity they are getting. The secondary fact that we have Brandon Knight in the fold as a possible PG further eliminates the requirement of obtaining a PG in the Bledsoe trade. We will be unable to dump Knight so get used to thinking about how he fits into the equation next year.

Ideally people should consider an option at C with both Chandler and Len on short term contracts and only Williams in the hopper. The C needs to be in the mold of a younger Tyson Chandler, shot blocker, rebounder, and great in the pick-n-roll / diving to the basket / lob fest. Len still has hands-of-stone and I am not sold on him. His two point percentage is suspect and he really needs to get his true shooting percentage closer to .700. Old man Tyson is still a better player than Len at this current stage in the game. Len is a great backup C but I don't see him as a long term starter.

[TOO]

Talent is still talent.....it's just a CLEAR overvalue by the poster IMO, Bledsoe just doesn't hold that kind of value anymore with his injury history and now disgruntled attitude.

I'd wouldn't be surprised if he's still on the Suns roster by the trade deadline with what they're asking for in return.

Talent is talent, sure. You show me where the Nuggets are actually giving up talent. Beasley? Meh. Juancho? Meh. Mudiay? Ha. Arthur? LOL.

The only one who is in the trade for cap purposes is Arthur, so if there isn’t talent there why do you want them ??

I don't want them. You can keep your heaps of trash.

[Villalobos]

Are other team's boards so boring they have to come in here and critique meaningless fan trades? I don't get it.

[grumpysaddle]

I think Schroeder is overrated and I hate his stupid hair cut.

I want a PG with a good attitude, high BBIQ that can knock down 3's, pass well, and play good defense. Extra points if they have any penetration skills at all.

We don't need a superstar. We need someone who doesn't mind Booker leading the team in scoring OR coming off screens and getting open looks from Jackson/Bender (who may end up directing our offense).

Booker and Jackson are also already alpha. We need don't need another one.

And yes, Brogdon would be perfect.

That's funny. That's why I want no part of Elfrid, frankly.

All-NBA Bad Hair 1st team

Jeremy Lin
Shroeder
Javaaaaaaaale McGee's dirty rat tail(s)
Kyle Singler
Payton

2nd team, anyone with a **** man bun. End that **** already please.

[Waylay13]

All this crying for an elite point guard to put next to Booker is crazy. We need three really good players ... Booker and Jackson look to be two of the three. The third could come from Bender, Chriss, our picks next year, or a free agent signing. What people need to realize is neither Jordan or Kobe had an elite point guard next to them. What we need is a point guard who was willing to play defense, hit a three reliably, and at times could help run the offense. Booker and Jackson will initiate a lot of the offense so I would not expect to get a PG that is going to dish 10+ assists per game.

Booker has already upped his assist output and that will get even better as he learns to handle double teams. Really one of James and/or Ulis look to be an decent candidates right now and seem to be happy with the opportunity they are getting. The secondary fact that we have Brandon Knight in the fold as a possible PG further eliminates the requirement of obtaining a PG in the Bledsoe trade. We will be unable to dump Knight so get used to thinking about how he fits into the equation next year.

Ideally people should consider an option at C with both Chandler and Len on short term contracts and only Williams in the hopper. The C needs to be in the mold of a younger Tyson Chandler, shot blocker, rebounder, and great in the pick-n-roll / diving to the basket / lob fest. Len still has hands-of-stone and I am not sold on him. His two point percentage is suspect and he really needs to get his true shooting percentage closer to .700. Old man Tyson is still a better player than Len at this current stage in the game. Len is a great backup C but I don't see him as a long term starter.

Guys even with the increased assist totals for Booker we are still only averaging 20 assist a games. We still need more help on setting people up.

[Christine-In-AZ]

To me the best thing to do is imagine Josh Jackson is disgruntled in 2 years. What do you wish you did to Bledsoe back then now? To me playing into the players / agents hands for the 6th time will not help prevent the 7th.

I'd suspend him and make him earn his way back by playing hard in practice and demonstrating team first behaviour, give public comments if necessary if he doesn't commit, every public comment questioning his character will hurt his value, give him no choice but to earn his way back into a neutral starting point rather than giving him an easy escape. And once that's done trade him to Sacramento where they're basically us but with DeAaron Fox in front of him forever.

Good luck to the 7th player after that.

Bledsoe should have held a press conference, and basically said "f*** you"..."I want to play"..."trade me asap this summer"... to the Suns FO when they shut him down last season.

I have a feeling that wouldn't have pleased you any more than how things have actually unfolded.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Mudiay's had 3 good games since going 0-8.

Career shooter outside 3 feet is 31%.

He's at 35% this season trending up but still needs major improvement.

[bigfoot]

All this crying for an elite point guard to put next to Booker is crazy. We need three really good players ... Booker and Jackson look to be two of the three. The third could come from Bender, Chriss, our picks next year, or a free agent signing. What people need to realize is neither Jordan or Kobe had an elite point guard next to them. What we need is a point guard who was willing to play defense, hit a three reliably, and at times could help run the offense. Booker and Jackson will initiate a lot of the offense so I would not expect to get a PG that is going to dish 10+ assists per game.

Booker has already upped his assist output and that will get even better as he learns to handle double teams. Really one of James and/or Ulis look to be an decent candidates right now and seem to be happy with the opportunity they are getting. The secondary fact that we have Brandon Knight in the fold as a possible PG further eliminates the requirement of obtaining a PG in the Bledsoe trade. We will be unable to dump Knight so get used to thinking about how he fits into the equation next year.

Ideally people should consider an option at C with both Chandler and Len on short term contracts and only Williams in the hopper. The C needs to be in the mold of a younger Tyson Chandler, shot blocker, rebounder, and great in the pick-n-roll / diving to the basket / lob fest. Len still has hands-of-stone and I am not sold on him. His two point percentage is suspect and he really needs to get his true shooting percentage closer to .700. Old man Tyson is still a better player than Len at this current stage in the game. Len is a great backup C but I don't see him as a long term starter.

Guys even with the increased assist totals for Booker we are still only averaging 20 assist a games. We still need more help on setting people up.

We averaged 16 per game in the first three games
We averaged 20 per game in the next three games

Blazers, Spurs, Clippers, Grizzlies, Celtics all averaging about 20 assists per game. I'm not worried. As our players learn the offense the assists will increase.

[bigfoot]

Open your eyes folks ... it has been obvious to me where some of the weak links on our team lie ... here is were we can make improvements with a trade

The Troy Daniels effect

When the Suns acquired Troy Daniels from the Memphis Grizzlies, he helped address two issues for Phoenix heading into this season: having a backup shooting guard and shooting.

Daniels having a positive effect on the Suns is simple: the spacing an elite three-point shooter brings would benefit the team.

Well, in the opening of the season, that hasn’t been the case.

The Suns have a 91.2 offensive rating (points produced per 100 possessions) when Daniels is on the floor and a defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) of 115.8. Both are the worst by a good margin among the 10 players in the Suns’ rotation.

Daniels is shooting 35 percent from three on the season, so while that’s below his career average of 40.5 percent, it’s not like he’s bricking his shots out there.

A worthy note here is Daniels has not played with Booker much since Triano simplified his rotations.

Even still, the team will have to get better when Daniels is on the court, or the second unit will suffer.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1296011/5-quick-observations-statistics-suns-first-six-games/

[DirtyDez]

Okay Denver. Top-7 protected and I'm in.

[bwgood77]

Open your eyes folks ... it has been obvious to me where some of the weak links on our team lie ... here is were we can make improvements with a trade

The Troy Daniels effect

When the Suns acquired Troy Daniels from the Memphis Grizzlies, he helped address two issues for Phoenix heading into this season: having a backup shooting guard and shooting.

Daniels having a positive effect on the Suns is simple: the spacing an elite three-point shooter brings would benefit the team.

Well, in the opening of the season, that hasn’t been the case.

The Suns have a 91.2 offensive rating (points produced per 100 possessions) when Daniels is on the floor and a defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) of 115.8. Both are the worst by a good margin among the 10 players in the Suns’ rotation.

Daniels is shooting 35 percent from three on the season, so while that’s below his career average of 40.5 percent, it’s not like he’s bricking his shots out there.

A worthy note here is Daniels has not played with Booker much since Triano simplified his rotations.

Even still, the team will have to get better when Daniels is on the court, or the second unit will suffer.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1296011/5-quick-observations-statistics-suns-first-six-games/

Well he obviously doesn't have much trade value considering we got a pick for taking on his contract. His minutes will eventually likely go to Davon Reed so hopefully he an make more of a positive impact. Daniels probably should only be out there when we desperately need a 3, so just specific situations. Or maybe his minutes should just go to DJJ. The only problem is that the shooting could potentially be horrific in the 2nd unit with DJJ, Jackson and Bender playing the wing positions along with Len and Ulis. But if the team is looking that bad when he is on the floor than maybe that doesn't matter, especially since Jackson has been shooting fairly well from 3 and Bender better lately.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Daniels is a hot or cold player wait for him to have a couple of good games.

[bigfoot]

Open your eyes folks ... it has been obvious to me where some of the weak links on our team lie ... here is were we can make improvements with a trade

The Troy Daniels effect

When the Suns acquired Troy Daniels from the Memphis Grizzlies, he helped address two issues for Phoenix heading into this season: having a backup shooting guard and shooting.

Daniels having a positive effect on the Suns is simple: the spacing an elite three-point shooter brings would benefit the team.

Well, in the opening of the season, that hasn’t been the case.

The Suns have a 91.2 offensive rating (points produced per 100 possessions) when Daniels is on the floor and a defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) of 115.8. Both are the worst by a good margin among the 10 players in the Suns’ rotation.

Daniels is shooting 35 percent from three on the season, so while that’s below his career average of 40.5 percent, it’s not like he’s bricking his shots out there.

A worthy note here is Daniels has not played with Booker much since Triano simplified his rotations.

Even still, the team will have to get better when Daniels is on the court, or the second unit will suffer.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1296011/5-quick-observations-statistics-suns-first-six-games/

Well he obviously doesn't have much trade value considering we got a pick for taking on his contract. His minutes will eventually likely go to Davon Reed so hopefully he an make more of a positive impact. Daniels probably should only be out there when we desperately need a 3, so just specific situations. Or maybe his minutes should just go to DJJ. The only problem is that the shooting could potentially be horrific in the 2nd unit with DJJ, Jackson and Bender playing the wing positions along with Len and Ulis. But if the team is looking that bad when he is on the floor than maybe that doesn't matter, especially since Jackson has been shooting fairly well from 3 and Bender better lately.

I am suggesting maybe we trade Bledsoe for a decent backup shooting guard and a starting center prospect instead of trying to get a PG in return. Honestly if Daniels can't get his offense and defense on track I am all for letting Dudley be the backup SG. He will play smart defense and we all know he can hit the three.

[thamadkant]

Open your eyes folks ... it has been obvious to me where some of the weak links on our team lie ... here is were we can make improvements with a trade

The Troy Daniels effect

When the Suns acquired Troy Daniels from the Memphis Grizzlies, he helped address two issues for Phoenix heading into this season: having a backup shooting guard and shooting.

Daniels having a positive effect on the Suns is simple: the spacing an elite three-point shooter brings would benefit the team.

Well, in the opening of the season, that hasn’t been the case.

The Suns have a 91.2 offensive rating (points produced per 100 possessions) when Daniels is on the floor and a defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) of 115.8. Both are the worst by a good margin among the 10 players in the Suns’ rotation.

Daniels is shooting 35 percent from three on the season, so while that’s below his career average of 40.5 percent, it’s not like he’s bricking his shots out there.

A worthy note here is Daniels has not played with Booker much since Triano simplified his rotations.

Even still, the team will have to get better when Daniels is on the court, or the second unit will suffer.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1296011/5-quick-observations-statistics-suns-first-six-games/

The Suns defense is chaotic.

Troy Daniels is still adapting... he came from the Grizzlies... who are top 3 defensive teams in the NBA... through a highly discipline and systematic defense structure...... Suns NEED to establish a defensive structure that uses TEAM defense and NOT individuals... SUNS will never win a ring until they play defense well as a team.

[carey]

I am suggesting maybe we trade Bledsoe for a decent backup shooting guard and a starting center prospect instead of trying to get a PG in return. Honestly if Daniels can't get his offense and defense on track I am all for letting Dudley be the backup SG. He will play smart defense and we all know he can hit the three.

He's almost strictly a stretch 4 now. Have you seen him this year? He's slow. Slooooowwwww.

[matt131]

Does our miami pick have any protection on it? cause it's looking real nice right now (yes, i know it's early, just saying)

[lilfishi22]

I am suggesting maybe we trade Bledsoe for a decent backup shooting guard and a starting center prospect instead of trying to get a PG in return. Honestly if Daniels can't get his offense and defense on track I am all for letting Dudley be the backup SG. He will play smart defense and we all know he can hit the three.

He's almost strictly a stretch 4 now. Have you seen him this year? He's slow. Slooooowwwww.

A few years ago, I couldn't imagine him being essentially a full time small-ball stretch 4 in this league. Now I can't imagine him playing SG guard again. The guy is soooooo slow now it's hilarious. It's funny because in his first stint with the Suns, he got on that Hill/Nash diet and got slim and became quick enough to guard 2's and 3's. Now he's gotten older, slower and fatter, he can only guard 4's. If it wasn't for the fact that he has pretty high BBIQ on both sides of the court and can hit the 3, he probably wouldn't be on an NBA roster.

[lilfishi22]

Does our miami pick have any protection on it? cause it's looking real nice right now (yes, i know it's early, just saying)

Top 7 in 2018
Unprotected in 2019

[bigfoot]

Open your eyes folks ... it has been obvious to me where some of the weak links on our team lie ... here is were we can make improvements with a trade

The Troy Daniels effect

When the Suns acquired Troy Daniels from the Memphis Grizzlies, he helped address two issues for Phoenix heading into this season: having a backup shooting guard and shooting.

Daniels having a positive effect on the Suns is simple: the spacing an elite three-point shooter brings would benefit the team.

Well, in the opening of the season, that hasn’t been the case.

The Suns have a 91.2 offensive rating (points produced per 100 possessions) when Daniels is on the floor and a defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) of 115.8. Both are the worst by a good margin among the 10 players in the Suns’ rotation.

Daniels is shooting 35 percent from three on the season, so while that’s below his career average of 40.5 percent, it’s not like he’s bricking his shots out there.

A worthy note here is Daniels has not played with Booker much since Triano simplified his rotations.

Even still, the team will have to get better when Daniels is on the court, or the second unit will suffer.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1296011/5-quick-observations-statistics-suns-first-six-games/

The Suns defense is chaotic.

Troy Daniels is still adapting... he came from the Grizzlies... who are top 3 defensive teams in the NBA... through a highly discipline and systematic defense structure...... Suns NEED to establish a defensive structure that uses TEAM defense and NOT individuals... SUNS will never win a ring until they play defense well as a team.

Daniels career offensive/defensive ratings are 104/111 ... not what I would consider very good. Watching him play with the second unit it usually his guy that gets the open shots. BTW ... Daniels had the worst defensive rating on the Grizz last year. He was the worst defender on a decent defensive team.

Right now Coach T is trying to get players to man-up and commit to good individual defense. That is where everything starts. Playing hard individual defense means less need to rotate to help and fewer wide open shots and threes. Already seeing an improvement in defensive three point shooting 38/75 (.51 shooting under Watson) and 26/73 (.36 under Coach T). Daniels doesn't look like he is capable of manning up on defense.

[kennydorglas]

You can always slide JJ to the 2, with Dragan & Duds playing positionless