All Things Luka Doncic

[Rn5ho]

I get a feeling quite a few guys here are 12y old Slovenians that are just pushing their agenda for some reason. Jesus as some of the statements and arguments. Like people don't know what basketball is even about

I'm a Slovenian myself (not 12 y/o tho), no basketball expert (watching for pleasure for years) and I have no delusions that it will be very hard for Doncic to live up to the hype around him. However, as a big Doncic fan, I like to believe that it's entirely possible and reading "facts" around here how it's completely impossible because noone has ever done it before (noone = European white-skinned guard/perimeter player), it really irritates me. Noone has ever won Euroleague MVP twice in the same week before either.. Noone has ever reached the Doncic stats at his age before either - and if we asked whether he'd do it half a year ago, 95% of people (myself including) would say there's no way he could do that this year. Noone has done many things that Doncic did before either. So WHY do people still say that "x is impossible because noone has done it before" when it comes to Doncic? Isn't it clear by now that he's something really special and sky seems to be the limit? He IS in fact UNLIKE anyone else before him.. that in fact IS a fact. Stop comparing him to other players in the past as he has already clearly proved (on the big stage) that he's actually and factually (since people really like to use word "fact" around here) something completely else and on a different level.

Sorry I quoted you Wagonband specifically, as this might not (entirely) be about you, but just wanted to clarify some things that bother me around here.. It was a really big pleasure reading this topic in the past, but recently became a place to argue about "facts" that are actually not facts, as noone can predict the future, but the facts are that he's unlike any player before and as such shouldn't be compared to them. He's Luka Doncic, he's not Dražen, he's not Goran, he's not Tony or anyone else - he already did more in Europe than most Euro players currently playing in NBA did in their whole careers. Just enjoy the games and stop "facting" around..

[Oscar9992]

The best 18 y.o. player by far!


EuroLeague MVP for October: Luka Doncic, Real Madrid

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EuroLeague Regular Season Round 4 MVP: Luka Doncic, Real Madrid

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[tria]

Doncic came into the season off a magical gold-medal run for Slovenia at EuroBasket, but had the difficult task of replacing his injured Madrid teammate Sergio Llull, last season's EuroLeague MVP. On the road against Anadolu Efes Istanbul in Round 1, he exploded for 27 points, a new personal best, and a PIR of 32, matching his high until then, as Madrid cruised to victory, 74-88. At home the next week, Madrid handed CSKA its earliest loss in seven years, 82-69, as Doncic scored 14 points and led the winners in PIR with 21. Then came a two-game week in which Doncic reached another orbit. At home against AX Armani Exchange Olimpia Milan on Tuesday, Doncic raised the roof with 27 more points to go with 8 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 steals for a PIR of 41 as Madrid won 100-90. At 18 years and 8 months, he became the youngest player ever to surpass 40 in PIR. Two nights and a 3,300-kilometer trip later, in Round 4, he had 4 points at halftime against host Zalgiris Kaunas. By the time the game finished, in regulation time, Doncic has posted a new career high of 28 points to go with 9 rebounds and 4 assists for a PIR of 35, his fourth team-high index rating of the month.

Madrid wasn't just any 4-0 team in October, either. You have to go back to the club's own 2013-14 edition to find another that opened the season with four double-digit victories. Most remarkable, however, is that a teenager led one of the most-decorated clubs in the sport every step of the way in October. Doncic finished the month as the league leader in scoring, with 24.0 points per game, and in PIR, at 32.3. He also ranks second in free throw efficiency (88.9%), eighth in rebounds (6.8) and two-point accuracy (65.4%), 14th in steals (1.3), 15th in three-point accuracy (43.4%) and 16th in assists (3.8). Basketball historians may look back on October as the month when a boy wonder made everyone forget about his age by placing himself on the same level as the EuroLeague's biggest stars, not to mention putting the eyes of the basketball world firmly upon him. Doncic will receive his October MVP award at an upcoming Madrid home game.

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/8aqi43ypxb5l69kn/turkish-airlines-euroleague-mvp-for-october-luka-doncic-real-madrid

[pohani komarac]

Unbelievable how he started the season while he virtually had no time off after the European Championships. His ability to shoot off the dribble and screens will be crucial to his success in the NBA, let's say he's confident with his shot at the least.

Do really worry about overload, he's so young and he needs summers off to work on his body and prepare for a long NBA season. Dario Saric is really suffering from this as well, nowhere near as fresh as the rest of the league and starting the season in a major slump.

It's bull... Dario can't play without ball, never could, that is it

Dirk, Pau, Parker, Manu were there every summer for their national teams, I hope Dario and Luka will folow their path

[Wagonband]

I get a feeling quite a few guys here are 12y old Slovenians that are just pushing their agenda for some reason. Jesus as some of the statements and arguments. Like people don't know what basketball is even about

To explain, i personally have an extremly high opinion on Doncic being from Europe myself. He is the best prospect of all time, nobody can dispute that.

I was thinking about how people actually put a limit on his game at age 18 and "know" how good/ripped/successful/(insert whatever) he will be in his prime.

It's impossible to say how good he can be in the NBA. I believe that he is a can't miss prospect who's floor will be borderline all-star, but have no idea what his ceiling is, and imho nobody does since his a unique player. Not the most athletic, but he is basically 6'8 PG with insane BBall IQ and could develop into a dead-eye shooter. I can't even think of a comparison honestly so i have really no idea how good he can become.

[Oscar9992]

To explain, i personally have an extremly high opinion on Doncic being from Europe myself. He is the best prospect of all time, nobody can dispute that.

I was thinking about how people actually put a limit on his game at age 18 and "know" how good/ripped/successful/(insert whatever) he will be in his prime.

It's impossible to say how good he can be in the NBA. I believe that he is a can't miss prospect who's floor will be borderline all-star, but have no idea what his ceiling is, and imho nobody does since his a unique player. Not the most athletic, but he is basically 6'8 PG with insane BBall IQ and could develop into a dead-eye shooter. I can't even think of a comparison honestly so i have really no idea how good he can become.

This dude is far better than Kristaps, Giannis or any other european prospect were at 18... Far ahead of anyone at his age.

But it doesn't automatically mean he will be good as them or even better. Too yearly.

[narcolepsy]

I was thinking about how people actually put a limit on his game at age 18 and "know" how good/ripped/successful/(insert whatever) he will be in his prime.

This is what I hate about this place as well. People cant differentiate between opinions and facts, and if you agree with someone you're automatically wrong, since their opinion is a fact. It's always the same "offenders" too. I dont mind if people put valid critique about Dončič's game, it's actually refreshing, otherwise we'd all be just circlejerking each other. But most of the time, the loudest people are the ones who watch 2 minutes of highlights. It's so so incredibly rare to see a teenager in Euroleague, yet some people saw 8/4/4 at 17 yo and decided he could never be a scorer in NBA. Doesn't matter how much he improves, he will NEVER average 20ppg in the NBA. It's actually laughable, like context doesnt matter. And this year he couldnt get his shot going in first couple of games, part of the reason being that he took a lot of low % shots, and we suddenly had a couple of pages people writing how his shot isnt good and its going to get worse in the NBA. And now that he's posting 2k numbers it's impossible that he'll get ripped, sometimes I wonder if im reading satire.
Marc Gasol isn't ripped, ergo there's no way Doncic will ever get ripped. pacersGM you should consider becoming a bodybuilding talent scout. Getting ripped isnt exactly rocket science, you need to work out and have proper nutrition. It does take a lot of hardwork and motivation to keep going, but pretty much anyone can do it. I really dont see how a professional athlete with all sporting staff and nutritionists around him couldnt get ripped if that was his goal. However if you have a 170cm guy, a 190cm guy and a 216cm guy and they all gain 10kg of muscle, who do you think will have most noticable results? The short one is gonna look like a whole different person, while you wont see THAT much improvement from a 216cm guy. Does 170cm guy look more ripped? Yeah. Does it mean ****? It really doesnt unless it's Mr Olympia competition.
I had a good laugh tho, thanks for your input.

[pacersGM]

I was thinking about how people actually put a limit on his game at age 18 and "know" how good/ripped/successful/(insert whatever) he will be in his prime.

This is what I hate about this place as well. People cant differentiate between opinions and facts, and if you agree with someone you're automatically wrong, since their opinion is a fact. It's always the same "offenders" too. I dont mind if people put valid critique about Dončič's game, it's actually refreshing, otherwise we'd all be just circlejerking each other. But most of the time, the loudest people are the ones who watch 2 minutes of highlights. It's so so incredibly rare to see a teenager in Euroleague, yet some people saw 8/4/4 at 17 yo and decided he could never be a scorer in NBA. Doesn't matter how much he improves, he will NEVER average 20ppg in the NBA. It's actually laughable, like context doesnt matter. And this year he couldnt get his shot going in first couple of games, part of the reason being that he took a lot of low % shots, and we suddenly had a couple of pages people writing how his shot isnt good and its going to get worse in the NBA. And now that he's posting 2k numbers it's impossible that he'll get ripped, sometimes I wonder if im reading satire.
Marc Gasol isn't ripped, ergo there's no way Doncic will ever get ripped. pacersGM you should consider becoming a bodybuilding talent scout. Getting ripped isnt exactly rocket science, you need to work out and have proper nutrition. It does take a lot of hardwork and motivation to keep going, but pretty much anyone can do it. I really dont see how a professional athlete with all sporting staff and nutritionists around him couldnt get ripped if that was his goal. However if you have a 170cm guy, a 190cm guy and a 216cm guy and they all gain 10kg of muscle, who do you think will have most noticable results? The short one is gonna look like a whole different person, while you wont see THAT much improvement from a 216cm guy. Does 170cm guy look more ripped? Yeah. Does it mean ****? It really doesnt unless it's Mr Olympia competition.
I had a good laugh tho, thanks for your input.

its refreshing reading someone admitting they are beeing circlejacking eachother like you said. and shure, the debates about his floor, ceiling are always very factual why he could or couldnt become magic johnson on the pro and con side.

about the getting ripped stuff: actualy one of you fellow doncic over enthusiasts stated: now the next step for him is getting ripped! WTF?! doncic is training everyday and is in better shape currently then any mister olympia ever, so i tried to tell you that gettings ripped has nothing to do with his basketball ability.

YOU TWISTED MY WORDS AGAIN, SAYinG I STATED SINCE GASOL CANT GET RIPPED; DONCIC WONT EITHER. no my fellow debater, i said people have different body types and getting ripped is not the result of professsional excersise for every person. can you accept the fact or will you again twist this into something great, how i am bashing doncic. and no, DONCIC WONT EVER BE AS MUSCLE DEFINED AS LETS SAY GIANNIS, just cause . in the same sentance WTf would he have to be???!?

and your HEIGHT TO RIPPED ratio explenation is just priceless im dying here. could you tell a regular doctor your thesis? im shure he would be getting a blast with it

if we are talking could doncic get shredded if he suddenly switched to bodybuilding. OF COURS he could, but as a ball player, he wont be ripped ever, because why would he strive for that?!

im getting a laught out of all the FACTUAL enthusiasts also, so it goes both ways

[XTraderXL]

I was thinking about how people actually put a limit on his game at age 18 and "know" how good/ripped/successful/(insert whatever) he will be in his prime.

This is what I hate about this place as well. People cant differentiate between opinions and facts, and if you agree with someone you're automatically wrong, since their opinion is a fact. It's always the same "offenders" too. I dont mind if people put valid critique about Dončič's game, it's actually refreshing, otherwise we'd all be just circlejerking each other. But most of the time, the loudest people are the ones who watch 2 minutes of highlights. It's so so incredibly rare to see a teenager in Euroleague, yet some people saw 8/4/4 at 17 yo and decided he could never be a scorer in NBA. Doesn't matter how much he improves, he will NEVER average 20ppg in the NBA. It's actually laughable, like context doesnt matter. And this year he couldnt get his shot going in first couple of games, part of the reason being that he took a lot of low % shots, and we suddenly had a couple of pages people writing how his shot isnt good and its going to get worse in the NBA. And now that he's posting 2k numbers it's impossible that he'll get ripped, sometimes I wonder if im reading satire.
Marc Gasol isn't ripped, ergo there's no way Doncic will ever get ripped. pacersGM you should consider becoming a bodybuilding talent scout. Getting ripped isnt exactly rocket science, you need to work out and have proper nutrition. It does take a lot of hardwork and motivation to keep going, but pretty much anyone can do it. I really dont see how a professional athlete with all sporting staff and nutritionists around him couldnt get ripped if that was his goal. However if you have a 170cm guy, a 190cm guy and a 216cm guy and they all gain 10kg of muscle, who do you think will have most noticable results? The short one is gonna look like a whole different person, while you wont see THAT much improvement from a 216cm guy. Does 170cm guy look more ripped? Yeah. Does it mean ****? It really doesnt unless it's Mr Olympia competition.
I had a good laugh tho, thanks for your input.

its refreshing reading someone admitting they are beeing circlejacking eachother like you said. and shure, the debates about his floor, ceiling are always very factual why he could or couldnt become magic johnson on the pro and con side.

about the getting ripped stuff: actualy one of you fellow doncic over enthusiasts stated: now the next step for him is getting ripped! WTF?! doncic is training everyday and is in better shape currently then any mister olympia ever, so i tried to tell you that gettings ripped has nothing to do with his basketball ability.

YOU TWISTED MY WORDS AGAIN, SAYinG I STATED SINCE GASOL CANT GET RIPPED; DONCIC WONT EITHER. no my fellow debater, i said people have different body types and getting ripped is not the result of professsional excersise for every person. can you accept the fact or will you again twist this into something great, how i am bashing doncic. and no, DONCIC WONT EVER BE AS MUSCLE DEFINED AS LETS SAY GIANNIS, just cause . in the same sentance WTf would he have to be???!?

and your HEIGHT TO RIPPED ratio explenation is just priceless im dying here. could you tell a regular doctor your thesis? im shure he would be getting a blast with it

if we are talking could doncic get shredded if he suddenly switched to bodybuilding. OF COURS he could, but as a ball player, he wont be ripped ever, because why would he strive for that?!

im getting a laught out of all the FACTUAL enthusiasts also, so it goes both ways

Mate, you are overcompensating with all the Smilies. Calm down a bit

[Kolkmania]

Unbelievable how he started the season while he virtually had no time off after the European Championships. His ability to shoot off the dribble and screens will be crucial to his success in the NBA, let's say he's confident with his shot at the least.

Do really worry about overload, he's so young and he needs summers off to work on his body and prepare for a long NBA season. Dario Saric is really suffering from this as well, nowhere near as fresh as the rest of the league and starting the season in a major slump.

It's bull... Dario can't play without ball, never could, that is it

Dirk, Pau, Parker, Manu were there every summer for their national teams, I hope Dario and Luka will folow their path

Just because others did it, shouldn't mean that it's healthy to play 82 games in a season, get a minimal amount of days, join the national team for an intensive tournament during the summer, just to have a couple of weeks vacation to join the team for another NBA season. Dario didn't even play in the majority of the preseason to give him some rest.

You can name all the European greats, but you'll never convince me that that's healthy. For Luka Doncic it will be crucial to adapt his body to the NBA, gain a quicker first step, more bounce off one foot, etc. With national tournaments every summer that could be a really difficult task.

[Damkac]

Luka is a basketball player not a bodybuilder. He should do fine even if he won't be ripped.

[pacersGM]

This is what I hate about this place as well. People cant differentiate between opinions and facts, and if you agree with someone you're automatically wrong, since their opinion is a fact. It's always the same "offenders" too. I dont mind if people put valid critique about Dončič's game, it's actually refreshing, otherwise we'd all be just circlejerking each other. But most of the time, the loudest people are the ones who watch 2 minutes of highlights. It's so so incredibly rare to see a teenager in Euroleague, yet some people saw 8/4/4 at 17 yo and decided he could never be a scorer in NBA. Doesn't matter how much he improves, he will NEVER average 20ppg in the NBA. It's actually laughable, like context doesnt matter. And this year he couldnt get his shot going in first couple of games, part of the reason being that he took a lot of low % shots, and we suddenly had a couple of pages people writing how his shot isnt good and its going to get worse in the NBA. And now that he's posting 2k numbers it's impossible that he'll get ripped, sometimes I wonder if im reading satire.
Marc Gasol isn't ripped, ergo there's no way Doncic will ever get ripped. pacersGM you should consider becoming a bodybuilding talent scout. Getting ripped isnt exactly rocket science, you need to work out and have proper nutrition. It does take a lot of hardwork and motivation to keep going, but pretty much anyone can do it. I really dont see how a professional athlete with all sporting staff and nutritionists around him couldnt get ripped if that was his goal. However if you have a 170cm guy, a 190cm guy and a 216cm guy and they all gain 10kg of muscle, who do you think will have most noticable results? The short one is gonna look like a whole different person, while you wont see THAT much improvement from a 216cm guy. Does 170cm guy look more ripped? Yeah. Does it mean ****? It really doesnt unless it's Mr Olympia competition.
I had a good laugh tho, thanks for your input.

Buddy, dont you worry about me.

its refreshing reading someone admitting they are beeing circlejacking eachother like you said. and shure, the debates about his floor, ceiling are always very factual why he could or couldnt become magic johnson on the pro and con side.

about the getting ripped stuff: actualy one of you fellow doncic over enthusiasts stated: now the next step for him is getting ripped! WTF?! doncic is training everyday and is in better shape currently then any mister olympia ever, so i tried to tell you that gettings ripped has nothing to do with his basketball ability.

YOU TWISTED MY WORDS AGAIN, SAYinG I STATED SINCE GASOL CANT GET RIPPED; DONCIC WONT EITHER. no my fellow debater, i said people have different body types and getting ripped is not the result of professsional excersise for every person. can you accept the fact or will you again twist this into something great, how i am bashing doncic. and no, DONCIC WONT EVER BE AS MUSCLE DEFINED AS LETS SAY GIANNIS, just cause . in the same sentance WTf would he have to be???!?

and your HEIGHT TO RIPPED ratio explenation is just priceless im dying here. could you tell a regular doctor your thesis? im shure he would be getting a blast with it

if we are talking could doncic get shredded if he suddenly switched to bodybuilding. OF COURS he could, but as a ball player, he wont be ripped ever, because why would he strive for that?!

im getting a laught out of all the FACTUAL enthusiasts also, so it goes both ways

Mate, you are overcompensating with all the Smilies. Calm down a bit

[narcolepsy]

its refreshing reading someone admitting they are beeing circlejacking eachother like you said. and shure, the debates about his floor, ceiling are always very factual why he could or couldnt become magic johnson on the pro and con side.

about the getting ripped stuff: actualy one of you fellow doncic over enthusiasts stated: now the next step for him is getting ripped! WTF?! doncic is training everyday and is in better shape currently then any mister olympia ever, so i tried to tell you that gettings ripped has nothing to do with his basketball ability.

YOU TWISTED MY WORDS AGAIN, SAYinG I STATED SINCE GASOL CANT GET RIPPED; DONCIC WONT EITHER. no my fellow debater, i said people have different body types and getting ripped is not the result of professsional excersise for every person. can you accept the fact or will you again twist this into something great, how i am bashing doncic. and no, DONCIC WONT EVER BE AS MUSCLE DEFINED AS LETS SAY GIANNIS, just cause . in the same sentance WTf would he have to be???!?

and your HEIGHT TO RIPPED ratio explenation is just priceless im dying here. could you tell a regular doctor your thesis? im shure he would be getting a blast with it

if we are talking could doncic get shredded if he suddenly switched to bodybuilding. OF COURS he could, but as a ball player, he wont be ripped ever, because why would he strive for that?!

im getting a laught out of all the FACTUAL enthusiasts also, so it goes both ways

Ofcourse some people are naturally more muscular and some are more skinny, for some it's easy to gain weight, and for others isnt. Since you love talking about FACTS I'd love to see your study in which they compare muscle growth in different body types, and what are limits of each body type. Possibly with indepth descriptions of said body types, so we can FACTUALLY find out in which category Luka falls.
I dont know whats so funny about what I said, try to use your brain a bit. Taller people weigh more than shorter people. If the 10kg of muscle is 16% of your body weight it's going to show differently than if it's only 8%. Taller people also have bigger frames, which means those 10kg will spread over bigger area. Looking ripped is also mostly about having really low % of body fat. You could state with which part of my statement you disagree, but spamming smilies like a 13 year old works too.

Luka is a big, strong kid, he doesnt need a sixpack, but he will need to get a lot stronger to not get bullied by other wings and forwards in the NBA. He got bullied quite a bit in the post by Kurbanov vs CSKA.

[Mirotic12]

Unbelievable how he started the season while he virtually had no time off after the European Championships. His ability to shoot off the dribble and screens will be crucial to his success in the NBA, let's say he's confident with his shot at the least.

Do really worry about overload, he's so young and he needs summers off to work on his body and prepare for a long NBA season. Dario Saric is really suffering from this as well, nowhere near as fresh as the rest of the league and starting the season in a major slump.

It's bull... Dario can't play without ball, never could, that is it

Dirk, Pau, Parker, Manu were there every summer for their national teams, I hope Dario and Luka will folow their path

Just because others did it, shouldn't mean that it's healthy to play 82 games in a season, get a minimal amount of days, join the national team for an intensive tournament during the summer, just to have a couple of weeks vacation to join the team for another NBA season. Dario didn't even play in the majority of the preseason to give him some rest.

You can name all the European greats, but you'll never convince me that that's healthy. For Luka Doncic it will be crucial to adapt his body to the NBA, gain a quicker first step, more bounce off one foot, etc. With national tournaments every summer that could be a really difficult task.

None of those other players mentioned actually did that. NBA schedule leaves a long time off for players to rest during summer and play with their national team. Today's European EuroLeague players play 11 months of the year, so actually much more than Saric has to play, since he gets plenty of rest after the NBA season.

So the examples given were all wrong, but I think the point he was making is that every European EuroLeague player that is in a European national team, is playing 11 out of 12 months during the year.

[Kolkmania]

It's bull... Dario can't play without ball, never could, that is it

Dirk, Pau, Parker, Manu were there every summer for their national teams, I hope Dario and Luka will folow their path

Just because others did it, shouldn't mean that it's healthy to play 82 games in a season, get a minimal amount of days, join the national team for an intensive tournament during the summer, just to have a couple of weeks vacation to join the team for another NBA season. Dario didn't even play in the majority of the preseason to give him some rest.

You can name all the European greats, but you'll never convince me that that's healthy. For Luka Doncic it will be crucial to adapt his body to the NBA, gain a quicker first step, more bounce off one foot, etc. With national tournaments every summer that could be a really difficult task.

None of those other players mentioned actually did that. NBA schedule leaves a long time off for players to rest during summer and play with their national team. Today's European EuroLeague players play 11 months of the year, so actually much more than Saric has to play, since he gets plenty of rest after the NBA season.

So the examples given were all wrong, but I think the point he was making is that every European EuroLeague player that is in a European national team, is playing 11 out of 12 months during the year.

Ah that's true. Doesn't change my opinion that the national schedule will stunt the development of both Doncic and Saric, because it limits the time you can spend on your body and skillset. It's not just the start of the tournament that counts, players need to get in shape as well for the NT, so their season starts in end of July already instead of October.

So I agree with your take that he gets more rest (not sure if it's enough), but the time to work on his game and body is so reduced while he's in a critical stage of his career.

[Mirotic12]

Ah that's true. Doesn't change my opinion that the national schedule will stunt the development of both Doncic and Saric, because it limits the time you can spend on your body and skillset. It's not just the start of the tournament that counts, players need to get in shape as well for the NT, so their season starts in end of July already instead of October.

So I agree with your take that he gets more rest (not sure if it's enough), but the time to work on his game and body is so reduced while he's in a critical stage of his career.

Pau was almost always playing with Spain. He had no problem getting better as a player. NBA schedule leaves plenty of time for vacation and individual work (non national team players), or quick vacation, quick individual work, and national team.

This summer, Antetokounmpo was playing exhibition games on promotional tours for like 2 months before he even got called to Greece's national team training. He could have used all of that time to rest, or do whatever he wanted.

I agree that it can make players wear down at the end of the season, and can increase injury risk. But if the players manage their time properly, then NBA schedule should allow enough time off for rest and/or working on their game. Especially for NBA players that play on teams that missed the playoffs. Season ends in April, and you usually report to a European national team in mid July to early August.

[Kolkmania]

Ah that's true. Doesn't change my opinion that the national schedule will stunt the development of both Doncic and Saric, because it limits the time you can spend on your body and skillset. It's not just the start of the tournament that counts, players need to get in shape as well for the NT, so their season starts in end of July already instead of October.

So I agree with your take that he gets more rest (not sure if it's enough), but the time to work on his game and body is so reduced while he's in a critical stage of his career.

Pau was almost always playing with Spain. He had no problem getting better as a player. NBA schedule leaves plenty of time for vacation and indidivual work (non national team players), or quick vacation, quick individual work, and national team.

This summer, Antetokounmpo was playing exhibition games on promotional tours for like 2 months before he even got called to Greece's national team training. He could have used all of that time to rest, or do whatever he wanted.

I agree that it can make players wear down at the end of the season, and can increase injury risk. But if the players manage their time properly, then NBA schedule should allow enough time off for rest and/or working on their game. Especially for NBA players that play on teams that missed the playoffs. Season ends in April, and you usually report to a European national team in mid July to early August.

You don't really get my point, I don't say it can't be done, just that it makes it so much harder and puts an extraordinary amount of stress on your body throughout the season. Who says that Pau Gasol wouldn't have been better if he had more time off in the summers?
But the two aren't really comparable either, Doncic needs time to work on his body because he lacks explosion off one foot and a good first step. Those weren't issues for Pau Gasol since he's a big men.
Giannis did need a lot of work and he shows it can be done, but he didn't play for Greece in August last year (didn't qualify) and was injured this year.

National tournaments are great fun, I love to watch them, I just think that having them every single summer is stunting the development of prospects or at least makes it harder for them.

[pohani komarac]

People work 10 hours a day hard physical labor and is not healthy, they sit on airplane and it's risky, but they do. Basketball players play basketball, it's what they do

When metnionig Croatian players Bogdanovic, Bender, Saric played this summer. Zizic, Zubac and Hezonja took free summer to work on their game....Funny is to see their roles this season


And is interesting that almost ever Euro basketball legend were there for their national teams trough history, just few like Ilglauskas did not. Sure Doncic can take summer off, but I hope he never does. He can take a year off from club basketball if he wants

Btw., nex summer is free thanks to FIBA anyway

[Wagonband]

National tournaments are great fun, I love to watch them, I just think that having them every single summer is stunting the development of prospects or at least makes it harder for them.

Honestly i think it's the other way around. Most young prospects can play on a level higher than they are used to during the season (not doncic ofc, but regular prospects that aren't Euroleague MVP candidates at 17), they can learn from often the best players and coaches their country has to offer, and they have a chance to improve a lot.

It's not like they are regressing on these camps. And they still usually have a few months before the camps start to regenerate and work on their game.

The only problem is that they should take a summer off every few years to rest, but just for the resting part, not because they will suddenly improve if they don't play for the national team.

[pacersGM]

Ofcourse some people are naturally more muscular and some are more skinny, for some it's easy to gain weight, and for others isnt. Since you love talking about FACTS I'd love to see your study in which they compare muscle growth in different body types, and what are limits of each body type. Possibly with indepth descriptions of said body types, so we can FACTUALLY find out in which category Luka falls.
I dont know whats so funny about what I said, try to use your brain a bit. Taller people weigh more than shorter people. If the 10kg of muscle is 16% of your body weight it's going to show differently than if it's only 8%. Taller people also have bigger frames, which means those 10kg will spread over bigger area. Looking ripped is also mostly about having really low % of body fat. You could state with which part of my statement you disagree, but spamming smilies like a 13 year old works too.

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My friend, you started the smiley spreading i just gave you back some of your own medicine. If someone else does what you do it is kinda annoying isnt it?

And to end the ripped debate. One of your colegues suggested doncics next step is to get ripped!? So i answered how it is. Beeing ripped isnt a indicator for a mans fitness level so i found it it funny that one of you highly objective observers would suggest such thing. It sounded like you said, 13year oldish