Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Bulls picked-up Portis's option, he is going to be part of their re-build.

The other thing, this for pif, is that apparently, Portis is the one more well-liked in the locker room.

Mirotic is the one who, reportedly, has requested to be traded.

[DaddyCool19]

How about this trade with the Chicago Bulls:

Tomas Satoransky and Chris McCulloch for Cameron Payne and Bobby Portis?



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Payne is a bust and Portis just assaulted and concussed a teammate lol. I'm looking at Jahlil Okafor and trying to unload Mahinmi on the sixers

Payne is better than Frazier.

Say what about Portis punching the hell out of Mirotic? Assaulted?! I'm sure he didn't do it for no reason. People make a federal offense out of a black player punching a white guy but if it had been the other way around nobody would say the same things about Mirotic.

Wouldn't it be considered a hate crime if Mirotic was the one who threw the punches?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

In all seriousness if he had used the n-word in the fight it would have branded Mirotic forever.

PC police work both ways.

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[nate33]

Gortat and Morris for Boogie....

N.0. Either takes the trade or losing him in free agency-

... or they trade Cousins elsewhere for a better package. That proposal doesn't even address what would presumably be New Orleans greatest need in a Cousins trade: some wings in return.

There is no chance we acquire Cousins without giving up one of Beal, Porter or Oubre. And it would probably have to be Beal or Porter.

[queridiculo]

Gortat and Morris for Boogie....

N.0. Either takes the trade or losing him in free agency-

... or they trade Cousins elsewhere for a better package. That proposal doesn't even address what would presumably be New Orleans greatest need in a Cousins trade: some wings in return.

There is no chance we acquire Cousins without giving up one of Beal, Porter or Oubre. And it would probably have to be Beal or Porter.

Washington really only has an outside shot. If Cleveland or Boston come waving their lottery picks the Wizards don't really stand a chance without compromising their roster, but assuming those teams clam up perhaps Oubre, a first and one of of our bigs might get it done.

The prospect of losing Cousins is real and the way things are shaping up it doesn't look like the Pelicans are really going to be able to compete in the West.

Of course that completely ignores where that would leave us from a salary cap perspective. Leonsis has talked a big game about opening up his wallet for the right team, but the Wizards would immediate have one of the highest payrolls once Cousins is resigned.

[NatP4]

Gortat and Morris for Boogie....

N.0. Either takes the trade or losing him in free agency-

... or they trade Cousins elsewhere for a better package. That proposal doesn't even address what would presumably be New Orleans greatest need in a Cousins trade: some wings in return.

There is no chance we acquire Cousins without giving up one of Beal, Porter or Oubre. And it would probably have to be Beal or Porter.

Washington really only has an outside shot. If Cleveland or Boston come waving their lottery picks the Wizards don't really stand a chance without compromising their roster, but assuming those teams clam up perhaps Oubre, a first and one of of our bigs might get it done.

The prospect of losing Cousins is real and the way things are shaping up it doesn't look like the Pelicans are really going to be able to compete in the West.

Of course that completely ignores where that would leave us from a salary cap perspective. Leonsis has talked a big game about opening up his wallet for the right team, but the Wizards would immediate have one of the highest payrolls once Cousins is resigned.

I’m not convinced that the team is better with Boogie over Oubre and Gortat. Only way I would do the trade is if we can get him for selling off all of our draft picks for eternity. Oubre is the new nba

[CobraCommander]

... or they trade Cousins elsewhere for a better package. That proposal doesn't even address what would presumably be New Orleans greatest need in a Cousins trade: some wings in return.

There is no chance we acquire Cousins without giving up one of Beal, Porter or Oubre. And it would probably have to be Beal or Porter.

Washington really only has an outside shot. If Cleveland or Boston come waving their lottery picks the Wizards don't really stand a chance without compromising their roster, but assuming those teams clam up perhaps Oubre, a first and one of of our bigs might get it done.

The prospect of losing Cousins is real and the way things are shaping up it doesn't look like the Pelicans are really going to be able to compete in the West.

Of course that completely ignores where that would leave us from a salary cap perspective. Leonsis has talked a big game about opening up his wallet for the right team, but the Wizards would immediate have one of the highest payrolls once Cousins is resigned.

I’m not convinced that the team is better with Boogie over Oubre and Gortat. Only way I would do the trade is if we can get him for selling off all of our draft picks for eternity. Oubre is the new nba

We need to take the same approach GSW and Cleveland take...we get better without losing our best pieces. The new NBA is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer-

GSW, OKC, Cleveland and Houston proved that...even OKC traded essentially nothing for Boogie. Bad trades are the norm now and not the exception. We gotta be willing to BURN the salary Cap and offer Boogie what ever it takes and not trade our core 4- because without them we are not better. Wishful thinking yes...but getting better by losing Beal, KO, Wall or Otto is a losing proposition

[Ruzious]

And GSW declined their option on Kevon Looney. I'd love to get him - though not sure how without giving up a pick - maybe exchange 1sts with GSW?

[deneem4]

Wall
Beal
Porter
oubre/Morris
Boogie

This is a championship team...give up all the picks for it...

[NatP4]

Wall
Beal
Porter
oubre/Morris
Boogie

This is a championship team...give up all the picks for it...

The way he is playing this year, I would give up a 2018 1st/2nd+2020 1st/2nd + all of Smith/Gortat/Frazier/McCullough as expiring contracts next offseason.

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Porter Oubre
Morris Scott
Cousins Mahinmi

This team could beat GS. They give up Oubre+Gortat+Picks and it’s a no deal for me. Marginal

[NatP4]

Also, sixers declined Okafor’s option

[pcbothwel]

Wall
Beal
Porter
oubre/Morris
Boogie

This is a championship team...give up all the picks for it...

The way he is playing this year, I would give up a 2018 1st/2nd+2020 1st/2nd + all of Smith/Gortat/Frazier/McCullough as expiring contracts next offseason.

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Porter Oubre
Morris Scott
Cousins Mahinmi

This team could beat GS. They give up Oubre+Gortat+Picks and it’s a no deal for me. Marginal

I agree in the abstract, but there is no way we can afford that team. The only way we get Boogie is to trade Mahinmi immediately and Gortat within the year.

[deneem4]

Wall
Beal
Porter
oubre/Morris
Boogie

This is a championship team...give up all the picks for it...

The way he is playing this year, I would give up a 2018 1st/2nd+2020 1st/2nd + all of Smith/Gortat/Frazier/McCullough as expiring contracts next offseason.

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Porter Oubre
Morris Scott
Cousins Mahinmi

This team could beat GS. They give up Oubre+Gortat+Picks and it’s a no deal for me. Marginal

If we give up oubre and picks they have to take mahinmi and we keep gortat...
That's the only way...il include him

[deneem4]

Wall
Beal
Porter
oubre/Morris
Boogie

This is a championship team...give up all the picks for it...

The way he is playing this year, I would give up a 2018 1st/2nd+2020 1st/2nd + all of Smith/Gortat/Frazier/McCullough as expiring contracts next offseason.

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Porter Oubre
Morris Scott
Cousins Mahinmi

This team could beat GS. They give up Oubre+Gortat+Picks and it’s a no deal for me. Marginal

I agree in the abstract, but there is no way we can afford that team. The only way we get Boogie is to trade Mahinmi immediately and Gortat within the year.

We can afford that team if we beat lebron and go to the finals
We can absolutely afford that team if we beat golden state...

Were talking about the 2 biggest feats in the last 10 years...stopping lebron from reaching the finals after 8 years and beating the best team ever assembled

[payitforward]

Bulls picked-up Portis's option, he is going to be part of their re-build.

The other thing, this for pif, is that apparently, Portis is the one more well-liked in the locker room.

Mirotic is the one who, reportedly, has requested to be traded.

As I said -- I'd do the trade in a minute. I think Portis is a terrific talent. It'd be great to pick him up as a bargain. I'm not focused on the fight in any way.

That said, as was just pointed out, they haven't shown any interest so far in moving him.

[Dark Faze]

Cousins speculation should probably die unless something comes out that he's not happy. He and AD are getting their numbers and neither has to sacrifice anything to do it. Cousins was willing to extend with the Kings so his tolerance for losing is high. It's just not happening.

I've actually been kind of intrigued by Randle as a small ball 5 lately...his defense on Wall was incredibly impressive. He's got very quick feet. Rebounds very well. Might not be that expensive to snatch from LA. He's no improvement on anyone we have offensively, but he can switch onto guards and might be perfect for the direction the league is headed lately. Dislike him as a 4...

[payitforward]

The way he is playing this year, I would give up a 2018 1st/2nd+2020 1st/2nd + all of Smith/Gortat/Frazier/McCullough as expiring contracts next offseason.

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Porter Oubre
Morris Scott
Cousins Mahinmi

This team could beat GS. They give up Oubre+Gortat+Picks and it’s a no deal for me. Marginal

I agree in the abstract, but there is no way we can afford that team. The only way we get Boogie is to trade Mahinmi immediately and Gortat within the year.

We can afford that team if we beat lebron and go to the finals
We can absolutely afford that team if we beat golden state...

Were talking about the 2 biggest feats in the last 10 years...stopping lebron from reaching the finals after 8 years and beating the best team ever assembled

Does anybody bother looking at the salary structure at all? Or maybe I should just say *reality* rather than salary?

DeMarcus Cousins will get a max salary from somebody next year. If it was from the Wizards, then in 2019 we would be paying Wall, Beal, Porter & Cousins -- 4 players! -- $117m.

But, that is also the year Oubre's 2d contract is likely to begin -- unless you just want to give him his qualifying offer? Assuming he continues to pan out, to improve as we see him doing, what do you imagine that salary will be? Well... Beal got maxed, Porter got maxed, etc. So, will Oubre get a max deal?

If so, that takes us to @$143m for 5 players. We'd also be in our 3d year in luxury tax land. So what would those 5 guys actually cost us? Something close to $200m... something like that?

Of course, we can't field a roster of 5 guys, can we? How much will the other 10 guys cost us? Keep in mind that we'll be paying up to $2 extra in tax for every $1 we spend on those 10 players. So, what... maybe another $100m in total?

Wake up. We can't even accommodate 4 max players on our roster; no team can.

IOW, to acquire Cousins we'd have to a) give one of our current 3 max players in the deal, & b) resign ourselves to giving up either Oubre or one of the other current max players the following year.

If we traded Porter to acquire Cousins -- straight up -- it's almost certain that we'd become a worse team immediately. If we traded Beal instead it wouldn't be as bad. But of course all of you are lining up to give up much more for DeMarcus! You want to give away R1 picks and such....

[NatP4]

but PIF, a championship, a Washington Wizards championship

Wall
Beal
Oubre
Porter
Cousins

We would atleast have this year and next year to compete for a championship and then they can give Oubre his qualifying offer and fill out the team with 2nd round picks and vet min players. There would be plenty of players that would sign for nothing to play with that team. If they HAVE to, I wouldn't be opposed to moving Oubre+Mahinmi and keeping Gortat.

I would not fault Ernie one bit for making this move to compete for a championship for a couple of years. We aren't beating GS with hail mary 2nd round picks through Wall's prime, especially with Ernie drafting.

[NatP4]

And I don't think i'm really onboard with that Cousins move anyways. I would do what Nate mentioned, possibly make a trade for a point guard like Bledsoe and look to trade Wall to avoid the supermax

I just can't see a team really winning with a supermax player on the payroll, unless that player is prime Lebron James, even then.

[payitforward]

but PIF, a championship, a Washington Wizards championship...

...I would not fault Ernie one bit for making this move to compete for a championship for a couple of years. We aren't beating GS with hail mary 2nd round picks through Wall's prime, especially with Ernie drafting.

1. We wouldn't win a championship.
2. It's not "a couple of years"; it's this year only. Cousins is expiring this year. Unless you think they are taking Gortat & Mahinmi or something equally unlikely, we wouldn't even be able to afford to field a team next year ($110m for 5 players), let alone the following one.
3. We don't have any "hail mary 2d round picks." We also aren't better with Ernie picking cheap FAs than with him drafting.
4. There is NO WAY to add enough productivity to compete for a title "through Wall's prime."

Like I say... wake up.

edit: & then you change your mind 10 minutes later!