Political Roundtable Part XV

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Well it seems like John Kelly's soul came cheap. So much for being the only adult in the room. This whole administration is trash.

Well, this explains why he is such a good fit to be with Trump, too-bad, he was once respected as the man holding everything together in the WH.

[closg00]

CNN:

Trump was contacted by americans on behalf russian agents for opposition dirt but never took meeting where dirt was exchanged. Collusion! yet no money, no quid pro quo. no russian reset by trump. nothing between trump and russia at all.

HRC and DNC bought and paid for actual dirt on trump from actual russians and received it although 80% of it was made up. released it to the public and used it against trump in the campaign and then also the Obama era DOJ also used it to obtain FISA warrant to wire tap. That's just opposition research. oh, they used a law firm to hide it and broke multiple campaign finance laws along the way. big deal, who cares.

all i have to say is jeff sessions is spineless for recusing himself. and y'all just might get what you are asking for, a Mike Pence presidency.

what's worse is trumps actual ability to negotiate as CIC and president is completely compromised. foreign leaders laugh at lame duck presidents. I guess, trump could take Pence with him. but that breaks protocol where neither are in the same place on foreign soil. and it totally undermines Trump's actual strengths. that he is the "crazy guy" in the room. which as much as you guys do not understand it, makes him a better negotiator and allow him to not only talk "tougher" than is normal but it is taken with greater.

all because the left lost the election. the left must be the sorest group of losers on the planet. whiney babies.

if trump goes down for nothing i hope he takes a full steam, nothing-to-lose attitude on the way out and exposes everything every crook and scam in the entire government along the way.

the man was elected. in spite of actual collusion on the part of HRC and the DNC. and Obama rigged the entire DOJ and boobie trapped the entire goverment on his way in so as to obstruct every single move. it is clear that trump himself did nothing. took no meeting. and his son don Jr. is clearly not going to flip on him so will not testify against him.

and this 27 year old douchebag kid, papadoppoulous is a going nowhere idiot that somehow got into the room for a brief moment and was turned down..

and i wont be surprised if HRC and the DNC through fusion and steele(however indirectly) paid for carter page and and papadopoulous to to be counter agents to soil this up for trump.

the left and CNN used to have my ear. at this point i see both as unamerican. and if i see them as such I can only imagine how brietbart folks look at them. keep in mind guys, i'm a well to do doctor in living in fulton market in chicago. and I sympathize with the working class small town folks far more than this new version of the DNC and the left which i grew up admiring. sad indeed.

If trump takes the gloves off and weaponizes the DOJ himself? he has my full support. leave no stone unturned. broad strokes on pardons so muelller has no where to take this silly thing then go after everyone.

Trump initially said his people had no contact with Russians, this was a lie. Papadoppoulous got caught lying about his efforts to facilitate the Russian effort to help Trump, why did he lie about these efforts?

You completely mischaracterized the Dossier, several bits of information which first appeared in that doc have proven to be true.

More indictments are coming, "Lock her up" Flynn is going to be charged,probably more. It's laughable that you try to blame the actions of Trumps staff on Clinton, absolutely absurd.

[Kanyewest]

CNN:

Trump was contacted by americans on behalf russian agents for opposition dirt but never took meeting where dirt was exchanged. Collusion! yet no money, no quid pro quo. no russian reset by trump. nothing between trump and russia at all.

HRC and DNC bought and paid for actual dirt on trump from actual russians and received it although 80% of it was made up. released it to the public and used it against trump in the campaign and then also the Obama era DOJ also used it to obtain FISA warrant to wire tap. That's just opposition research. oh, they used a law firm to hide it and broke multiple campaign finance laws along the way. big deal, who cares.

It would be great if you posted the link to your article. Right now it appears biased especially the part where 80% was made up. It looks like nothing has been established that disproves the credibility of those statements at least on CNN from what I can see.

[stilldropin20]

SD, what changed in less than a year when you were a registered Democrat who supported far left-wing candidate Sanders - to now with you being lock stock and barrel with Trump - who stands for absolutely nothing that Sanders did - on virtually everything?

Ruz,

i have stated over and over that I voted for Sanders as a candidate for change. I know that it gets buried in my long winded posts but I have stated why often as well and I have stated why my alliance switched to trump. basically: i want things to change. i want widespread wholesale change and therefore, although i didn't vote for trump, i do support him as CIC as an agent for change as well.

my take is that even in the worst case scenario, if trumps policies are wreckless and fail, it will still at least a fresher look at how to attempt to run government. because what we are doing clearly doesnt work. we cant keep borrowing into oblivion. we cant continually be the world police. we cant continue to lead humanitarian missions. and not make the rest of the world pay for it.

like trump i believe in negotiating with leverage. from a position of strength. so the massive military needs to remain. thats how we will "win." we need to get technologically way out ahead again as well.

as much as i wish guys like cammac, the canadian, well. he doesn't pay taxes that support my neighbors, Ruz. you do! so does CCJ and all the other americans on here. I dont appologize for caring more about you guys and your pocket books, and your money, and your job security, and yours and your children's educations. I do not and will not appoligize for it. As much as I travel, and Ive been all over the world, Ive yet to find a place I'd rather buy my home and park my money than the United states of america. so i just dont get the globalist agenda from non-billionaires. now if you have wealth abroad and you plan to sell goods or services overseas? yeah of course. but 99.99999% of us are just regular americans with a house in america and a little bit of money in an american bank.

ted turner who used to own CNN when it was news. since then it has been acquired by AOL/ Time warner, and now acquired by ATT. These are global corporations with global holdings so they push an anti-nationalism-pro globalists agenda. which hurts americans. specifically the middle class. and just so we define it. the middle class is anyone making about 30K per year on up to about 200K in NYC and up to about 130K in a small town. thats middle class. and thats who pays 80% of our taxes in the united states aside from corporations. the elite ruling class and poor folk pay less than 5% of the total taxes in the US.

So every time there is a tax hike. or we raise the national debt-historically the middle class has paid those bills.

So i support any politician that has a new way to pay for our military and keep it strong yet lowers taxes on the middle class. and i dont care how polished that individual is nor how likeable. I understand that globalist "news" networks like CNN have been working on fool in the working class for decades and trying to convince these working class every day "joes" that they are somehow "pros." somehow in america we've come to this weird place where the accountant with 1 child that makes 100k per year thinks he's better than the plumber than makes 150K per year and has 3 kids because the accountant lives in a condo in a metropolis and the plumber lives in a ranch an hour away. the accountant's kid never dreams of serving in the military and 2 of the plumber's kids do. the accountant dresses a bit more sophisticated and uses the king's english and the plumber is chilling in his levis. and these 2 groups in america have come to despise one another. yet the plumber doesn't actually despise the accountant. he in fact looks up to the accountant's house of card life style. meanwhile the plumber's house is paid for and he pays writes checks for the his childs education. and the accountant has borrowed for everything and has no real assets. Keep in mind, im a doctor and a realtor. I know these things. I know who actually owns their homes, and who borrowed and i know their assets when they purchase. yet somehow the accountant just despises that plumber. despises. its a joke. its quite sickening actually. and if there is anything to be embarrassed about as an "american." its the broke ass accountant living in his house of cards preaching the globalists agenda for true billionaires that the accountant desperately wants to associate with. that's embarrassing.

[Ruzious]

Sorry, SD, but it's just not believable that anyone in their right mind can just make such a 180 switch like that, and then be totally for every little and big thing that Trump is for - not when there's so many historically rotten things about the guy. History will show that the only people who end up respecting him are white supremacists and a poster in the Wiz forum named SD20. Even grown up Kelly's effectively outed himself as a white supremacist. Btw, your last paragraph... your stereotypes need work. God love ya.

[Zonkerbl]

"White people acting white have embraced the ethic of the white underclass, which is distinct from the white working class, which has the distinguishing feature of regular gainful employment. The manners of the white underclass are Trump’s — vulgar, aggressive, boastful, selfish, promiscuous, consumerist. The white working class has a very different ethic. Its members are, in the main, churchgoing, financially prudent, and married, and their manners are formal to the point of icy politeness. You’ll recognize the style if you’ve ever been around it: It’s “Yes, sir” and “No, ma’am,” but it is the formality of soldiers and police officers — correct and polite, but not in the least bit deferential. It is a formality adopted not to acknowledge the superiority of social betters but to assert the equality of the speaker — equal to any person or situation, perfectly republican manners. It is the general social respect rooted in genuine self-respect.

Its opposite is the sneering, leveling, drag-’em-all-down-into-the-mud anti-“elitism” of contemporary right-wing populism. Self-respect says: “I’m an American citizen, and I can walk into any room, talk to any president, prince, or potentate, because I can rise to any occasion.” Populist anti-elitism says the opposite: “I can be rude enough and denigrating enough to drag anybody down to my level.” Trump’s rhetoric — ridiculous and demeaning schoolyard nicknames, boasting about money, etc. — has always been about reducing. Trump doesn’t have the intellectual capacity to duke it out with even the modest wits at the New York Times, hence it’s “the failing New York Times.” Never mind that the New York Times isn’t actually failing and that any number of Trump-related businesses have failed so thoroughly that they’ve gone into bankruptcy; the truth doesn’t matter to the argument any more than it matters whether the fifth-grade bully actually has an actionable claim on some poor kid’s lunch money.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452910/white-working-class-populism-underclass-anti-elitism-acting-white-incompatible-conservativism"

[gtn130]

Sorry, SD, but it's just not believable that anyone in their right mind can just make such a 180 switch like that, and then be totally for every little and big thing that Trump is for.

Yup. It's laughable. I think SD20 makes his claims about voting for Obama and Bernie because it validates (in his mind) how all-in he is on Trump. SD20 is so objective, he voted for Obama and Bernie! He is ABOVE partisanship!

Odds are he never even votes and is just spinning up whatever narrative works best for him in this moment.

[cammac]

SD20 its tough being a Canadian but we do get out of our igloos once in a while!

Per capita health-care spending in the U.S. is more than $9,000.

By contrast, per capita health-care spending in Canada is half that, or $4,500. Yet life expectancy in Canada is 81.7, and the country ranks 13th, significantly ahead of the U.S.

Maybe read this and you will understand that a country like Canada who has a lower % of billionaires than the USA and a larger % middle class than the USA.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/canadians-may-pay-more-taxes-than-americans-but-theres-a-catch.html

Yes nice to harp on big bad CNN look at the Murdoch's

[Pointgod]

CNN:

Trump was contacted by americans on behalf russian agents for opposition dirt but never took meeting where dirt was exchanged. Collusion! yet no money, no quid pro quo. no russian reset by trump. nothing between trump and russia at all.

HRC and DNC bought and paid for actual dirt on trump from actual russians and received it although 80% of it was made up. released it to the public and used it against trump in the campaign and then also the Obama era DOJ also used it to obtain FISA warrant to wire tap. That's just opposition research. oh, they used a law firm to hide it and broke multiple campaign finance laws along the way. big deal, who cares.

It would be great if you posted the link to your article. Right now it appears biased especially the part where 80% was made up. It looks like nothing has been established that disproves the credibility of those statements at least on CNN from what I can see.

Good luck getting a link out of SD20. He makes outlandish and baseless claims that can't be backed up outside of right wing rags so then he either completely ignores your request or links to an article that doesn't really support his claim. It's par the course for him.

[stilldropin20]

Sorry, SD, but it's just not believable that anyone in their right mind can just make such a 180 switch like that, and then be totally for every little and big thing that Trump is for.

Yup. It's laughable. I think SD20 makes his claims about voting for Obama and Bernie because it validates (in his mind) how all-in he is on Trump. SD20 is so objective, he voted for Obama and Bernie! He is ABOVE partisanship!

Odds are he never even votes and is just spinning up whatever narrative works best for him in this moment.

I am definitely above partisanship. I solely look at things logically that require logic and then I look at the emotional perspective of how the masses will interpret events. I know that that is confusing for almost all of you guys. it's apparently been confusing for 60 pages because you guys are unable to do the same. Your views are entrenched and you are not open to any new ideas at all.

it is very easy for me to leave my own personal emotions out of policy. it which makes it easy for me to jump from left to right on policy. Because I write what I think is right. I think that makes you guys a little jealous to be honest. That I'm a true independent. You certainly. Protest too much about it.

How about you guys just open your mind's a little bit and be more open to logic?

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[stilldropin20]

SD20 its tough being a Canadian but we do get out of our igloos once in a while!

Per capita health-care spending in the U.S. is more than $9,000.

By contrast, per capita health-care spending in Canada is half that, or $4,500. Yet life expectancy in Canada is 81.7, and the country ranks 13th, significantly ahead of the U.S.

Maybe read this and you will understand that a country like Canada who has a lower % of billionaires than the USA and a larger % middle class than the USA.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/canadians-may-pay-more-taxes-than-americans-but-theres-a-catch.html

Yes nice to harp on big bad CNN look at the Murdoch's

If I were Canadian I would be in full support of almost everything you write but I'm not an apple. I'm a banana and some of the things U write are unamerican or not pro-american.

Other than that you have really good views on what's good for Canada and the people of Canada I honestly fully support them if I were Canadian.

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[cammac]

SD20 its tough being a Canadian but we do get out of our igloos once in a while!

Per capita health-care spending in the U.S. is more than $9,000.

By contrast, per capita health-care spending in Canada is half that, or $4,500. Yet life expectancy in Canada is 81.7, and the country ranks 13th, significantly ahead of the U.S.

Maybe read this and you will understand that a country like Canada who has a lower % of billionaires than the USA and a larger % middle class than the USA.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/canadians-may-pay-more-taxes-than-americans-but-theres-a-catch.html

Yes nice to harp on big bad CNN look at the Murdoch's

If I were Canadian I would be in full support of almost everything you write but I'm not an apple. I'm a banana and some of the things U write are unamerican or not pro-american.

All those things are what Bernie wants to propose!!!! Thought you were a supporter?
What is your definition of being AMERICAN explain to me LUCY?
We will take a poll after with what is Canadian versus your definition of being AMERICAN!!!!!

Other than that you have really good views on what's good for Canada and the people of Canada I honestly fully support them if I were Canadian.

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[Wizardspride]

Sorry, SD, but it's just not believable that anyone in their right mind can just make such a 180 switch like that, and then be totally for every little and big thing that Trump is for.

Yup. It's laughable. I think SD20 makes his claims about voting for Obama and Bernie because it validates (in his mind) how all-in he is on Trump. SD20 is so objective, he voted for Obama and Bernie! He is ABOVE partisanship!

Odds are he never even votes and is just spinning up whatever narrative works best for him in this moment.

I am definitely above partisanship. I solely look at things logically that require logic and then I look at the emotional perspective of how the masses will interpret events. I know that that is confusing for almost all of you guys. it's apparently been confusing for 60 pages because you guys are unable to do the same. Your views are entrenched and you are not open to any new ideas at all.

it is very easy for me to leave my own personal emotions out of policy. it which makes it easy for me to jump from left to right on policy. Because I write what I think is right. I think that makes you guys a little jealous to be honest. That I'm a true independent. You certainly. Protest too much about it.

How about you guys just open your mind's a little bit and be more open to logic?

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Believe it or not, you aren't the only independent posting on this board.

I think what people are having a hard time digesting is the fact that you made a 180 when you switched from Sanders to Trump.

And it's not like it was a gradual change that happened over a long period of time. You literally flipped to a candidate that is the polar opposite of the one you previously supported.

And in the switch, judging from your posts you've embraced the language of the right. Every criticism of the democrats/liberals just seem to be regurgitated talking points.

That's a hell of a change for someone who was a dem not that long ago.

I know plenty of independents. Some lean a little right, some a little left but they all have certain core principals that guide them.

Even if I was an independent and actually liked a policy or two of Trump's, should I ignore his history of racist comments, misogyny etc etc?

I have some core principals that I'm not willing to violate...even for a token tax break.

[Dat2U]

At this stage, if you STILL support Trump after all this nonsense, your someone I have no interest in ever meeting or knowing.

It's no longer about politics, it's about human decency. I disagreed vehemently with both Bushes' & Reagan. But they were decent men by most accounts. They just had a different view on how to run the government. With Trump, he's galvanizing the lowest common denominator... the uneducated, the poor and the racist to spew hate, create disruption and make him and his friends richer than they already are.

The Trumpites are literally the most disgusting & vulgar group in our society. Sexism, racism, what about-ism all run amuck in Trumpite's echo chamber.

[stilldropin20]

At this stage, if you STILL support Trump after all this nonsense, your someone I have no interest in ever meeting or knowing.

It's no longer about politics, it's about human decency. I disagreed vehemently with both Bushes' & Reagan. But they were decent men by most accounts. They just had a different view on how to run the government. With Trump, he's galvanizing the lowest common denominator... the uneducated, the poor and the racist to spew hate, create disruption and make him and his friends richer than they already are.

The Trumpites are literally the most disgusting & vulgar group in our society. Sexism, racism, what about-ism all run amuck in Trumpite's echo chamber.

What if one supports the office of the President as the CIC? And the policies of the president?



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[stilldropin20]

Dat, the largest group of sexist in the entire world are the far left leaning Hollywood elites and you know this.

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[Kanyewest]

Fox News employees are complaining about its own news coverage
https://amp.cnn.com/money/2017/10/31/media/fox-news-employees-russia-mueller-coverage/index.html

Trump abruptly ends press conference after being asked if he'll pardon Manafort
https://theweek.com/speedreads/734371/trump-abruptly-ends-press-conference-after-being-asked-hell-pardon-manafort

Support For Impeachment At Record High
https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/support-impeachment-record-high/

Poll: Vast majority of Trump voters say he should stay in office even if Russia collusion is proven
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/357995-dem-pollster-vast-majority-of-trump-voters-say-he-should-stay-in

[stilldropin20]

Y'all gittin all high n mighty up in here.

While at the same time voting voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton who called 50% of the nation deplorables as if the rest of you guys are above them deplorables and of those deplorables I've seen studies or maybe 10% of them are white supremacist racist that most and some of those studies are as low as .2%.

So in essence you guys are being extremely judgemental and lumping and conservatives as a whole or the conservative platform as a whole with the extremely rare minority of white supremacist and racists. That's just flat out sad.

As a true independent I can't say how happy I am to be in neither of those categories. yours nor theirs. Yikes!!! Scary double talk gong on here. "We can be judgmental but you can't!" We can lump people together but you can't. Not logical. Not fair. Not right. Not even cool.

Trump has issues. Cnn has painted those issues in such a way that you guys actually think trump is racist. He may not be politically correct and he may not use words that are polished but I've seen nothing that confirms this man is a racist. Now he is a nationalist for sure. No doubt about that.

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[Kanyewest]

Dat, the largest group of sexist in the entire world are the far left leaning Hollywood elites and you know this.

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It seems to be a problem in entertainment and in politics. Still, at least Hollywood is condemning Harvey for his behavior.

Harvey Weinstein Kicked Out Of Producers Guild For Life
https://deadline.com/2017/10/harvey-weinstein-producers-guild-lifetime-ban-120219810

[stilldropin20]

Dat, the largest group of sexist in the entire world are the far left leaning Hollywood elites and you know this.

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It seems to be a problem in entertainment and in politics. Still, at least Hollywood is condemning Harvey for his behavior.

Harvey Weinstein Kicked Out Of Producers Guild For Life
https://deadline.com/2017/10/harvey-weinstein-producers-guild-lifetime-ban-120219810

No credible person has come forth and accused Trump of rape. Trump has never paid off anybody for any sexual misconduct allegations. There is no record of it at all anywhere.

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