Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[lilfishi22]

I feel like Okafor just lacked focus because there's no focus from the franchises side either. The guy hasn't received consistent minutes for his level of talent and potential since his rookie year. If we gave Archie "All Potential" Goodwin 2 seasons to make something of himself and with some strong support from a decent amount of fans on here, I don't see why anyone here would be so against giving a guy who's actually produced in the NBA, is still only 22, has elite NBA level skill/talent, fills a need for us (interior scoring, rebounding) and desperately needs a scenery change, a chance to develop with us.

I'll admit I'm not Okafor's biggest fan but I'm just trying to put things into perspective when it comes to talent. Our own 'talent' always get overvalued (e.g Zoran, Archie, Reed???) but other team's players which are stars are considered absolute dumpster fires to avoid like the plague.

[thamadkant]

I feel like Okafor just lacked focus because there's no focus from the franchises side either. The guy hasn't received consistent minutes for his level of talent and potential since his rookie year. If we gave Archie "All Potential" Goodwin 2 seasons to make something of himself and with some strong support from a decent amount of fans on here, I don't see why anyone here would be so against giving a guy who's actually produced in the NBA, is still only 22, has elite NBA level skill/talent, fills a need for us (interior scoring, rebounding) and desperately needs a scenery change, a chance to develop with us.

I'll admit I'm not Okafor's biggest fan but I'm just trying to put things into perspective when it comes to talent. Our own 'talent' always get overvalued (e.g Zoran, Archie, Reed???) but other team's players which are stars are considered absolute dumpster fires to avoid like the plague.

I have a friend who's a huge 76ers fan and during Okafor's rookie season, he was sure Okafor will be a star due to his production and skill.

But since then, the team basically wants to move away from inside scoring and focus on front face big men, they also kept Okafor as a backup just in case Embiid doesnt come back healthy... but now that Embiid is showing health, Okafor is just a body on the bench... they are building a team that doesnt cater to Okafor's skills.


If Suns dont pick him up, Im sure a team that needs an elite post scorer who can block shots will offer him a chance. He was Duncan-esque/Jefferson-esque down low offensively..

[lilfishi22]

I feel like Okafor just lacked focus because there's no focus from the franchises side either. The guy hasn't received consistent minutes for his level of talent and potential since his rookie year. If we gave Archie "All Potential" Goodwin 2 seasons to make something of himself and with some strong support from a decent amount of fans on here, I don't see why anyone here would be so against giving a guy who's actually produced in the NBA, is still only 22, has elite NBA level skill/talent, fills a need for us (interior scoring, rebounding) and desperately needs a scenery change, a chance to develop with us.

I'll admit I'm not Okafor's biggest fan but I'm just trying to put things into perspective when it comes to talent. Our own 'talent' always get overvalued (e.g Zoran, Archie, Reed???) but other team's players which are stars are considered absolute dumpster fires to avoid like the plague.

I have a friend who's a huge 76ers fan and during Okafor's rookie season, he was sure Okafor will be a star due to his production and skill.

But since then, the team basically wants to move away from inside scoring and focus on front face big men, they also kept Okafor as a backup just in case Embiid doesnt come back healthy... but now that Embiid is showing health, Okafor is just a body on the bench... they are building a team that doesnt cater to Okafor's skills.


If Suns dont pick him up, Im sure a team that needs an elite post scorer who can block shots will offer him a chance. He was Duncan-esque/Jefferson-esque down low offensively..

No doubt Okafor's star potential has significantly diminished but his talent is still there and I think he can be productive in today's NBA. His slowness may rule him out from ever becoming an great defender but his offense and passing abilities makes him dangerous. I'd love to give the guy a chance, especially if we can get him for little.

[grumpysaddle]

I want to give Chriss the benefit of the doubt, but I'm getting close to saying it's okay to include him in a Bledsoe trade if it ups the ante on what we can get back.

Also who'd have thought we'd be 3-4 after those first 3 games? Had a good shot to win the last Portland game too.

[JDJ26]

I feel like Okafor just lacked focus because there's no focus from the franchises side either. The guy hasn't received consistent minutes for his level of talent and potential since his rookie year. If we gave Archie "All Potential" Goodwin 2 seasons to make something of himself and with some strong support from a decent amount of fans on here, I don't see why anyone here would be so against giving a guy who's actually produced in the NBA, is still only 22, has elite NBA level skill/talent, fills a need for us (interior scoring, rebounding) and desperately needs a scenery change, a chance to develop with us.

I'll admit I'm not Okafor's biggest fan but I'm just trying to put things into perspective when it comes to talent. Our own 'talent' always get overvalued (e.g Zoran, Archie, Reed???) but other team's players which are stars are considered absolute dumpster fires to avoid like the plague.

I have a friend who's a huge 76ers fan and during Okafor's rookie season, he was sure Okafor will be a star due to his production and skill.

But since then, the team basically wants to move away from inside scoring and focus on front face big men, they also kept Okafor as a backup just in case Embiid doesnt come back healthy... but now that Embiid is showing health, Okafor is just a body on the bench... they are building a team that doesnt cater to Okafor's skills.


If Suns dont pick him up, Im sure a team that needs an elite post scorer who can block shots will offer him a chance. He was Duncan-esque/Jefferson-esque down low offensively..

No doubt Okafor's star potential has significantly diminished but his talent is still there and I think he can be productive in today's NBA. His slowness may rule him out from ever becoming an great defender but his offense and passing abilities makes him dangerous. I'd love to give the guy a chance, especially if we can get him for little.

I think the Suns should take a gamble on him. The Suns could use a consistent post scorer. As long as the Suns don't have to give up a lot to get him.

[Kdab]

How many games do the Bucks have to lose badly before they soften up for a Brogdon/Bledsoe trade?

[bigfoot]

How many games do the Bucks have to lose badly before they soften up for a Brogdon/Bledsoe trade?

Doesn't matter we have a James / Ulis 1-2 punch

[lilfishi22]

How many games do the Bucks have to lose badly before they soften up for a Brogdon/Bledsoe trade?

Hopefully not too far down the track. But I'm not sure he's even the problem on their team. Aside from this game, he's been fairly productive when he's played so far this season.

[AtheJ415]

Okafor is obviously somebody the Suns should sign. He is not going to be looking for big money. He is going to want to get an opportunity so that he can get big money on his next contract. The only problem is with both Chandler and Len he may not see a lot of opportunity here. If we move Chandler, I think we could easily move to the front of his list.

He may never be anything but the risk is crazy low.

[Kdab]

Doesn't matter we have a James / Ulis 1-2 punch

Not really sold on either, but it's only been four nba games + three pick up games. Feels like Ulis regressed this year too, but that may be an effect of switching coaches mid(?)season. The Brogdon trade proposals are just the best returns that I've seen thrown around.

Hopefully not too far down the track. But I'm not sure he's even the problem on their team. Aside from this game, he's been fairly productive when he's played so far this season.

I think they're looking for someone that can score 20

[AtheJ415]

Here's the problem I see with the Schroeder for Bledsoe type of deal--the Hawks are rebuilding. They may want to offload Schroeder, but what they would want is the return Phoenix would get for Bledsoe plus something. So would we really rather have Schroeder and surrender this year's Miami pick than keeping the Miami pick and adding Brogdon, Bucks pick; Mudiay, Hernangomez, Den Pick; Frank or NYK pick; Brooklyn pick--if any of those end up being available.

[bwoolf2]

Give me future draft picks and expiring contracts I want to see the young guys we have now get minutes. And we need at least one veteran out there and Chandler plays hard so he can stay.

[jcsunsfan]

I want to give Chriss the benefit of the doubt, but I'm getting close to saying it's okay to include him in a Bledsoe trade if it ups the ante on what we can get back.

Also who'd have thought we'd be 3-4 after those first 3 games? Had a good shot to win the last Portland game too.

I think so. I am ready to commit to Bender. I remember feeling the same way when Horny was really developing and it was time to move Eddie Johnson. Eddie was a good player, but I wanted Horny taking those shots.

[jcsunsfan]

Here's the problem I see with the Schroeder for Bledsoe type of deal--the Hawks are rebuilding. They may want to offload Schroeder, but what they would want is the return Phoenix would get for Bledsoe plus something. So would we really rather have Schroeder and surrender this year's Miami pick than keeping the Miami pick and adding Brogdon, Bucks pick; Mudiay, Hernangomez, Den Pick; Frank or NYK pick; Brooklyn pick--if any of those end up being available.

There is huge hype in Atlanta right now over Shroeder. They value him on the same level we value Jackson. I think trading for him is a non-starter.

[bwgood77]

Why was not one team in the league willing to take Okafor for free???

That says something. What do we not know about?

Is he a boozer?

I mean...no way ... NO WAY a team is not willing to give up at least a second round pick for this dude!

If the Sixers have not picked up his option, they clearly intend on letting him walk. That means that they did not even get any "free" offers. They would either have had to take back unwanted salary or give up assets to move him. Yikes.

There is more going on here than we know.

I posted his RPM and BPM. His offense stinks even if people want to ignore it. Brandon Knight had some 20 point games too. If your points are not even coming efficiently, especially as a big, it's not good.

The funny thing is people complain about his defense but he rates much worse offensively...worst in the league. This has nothing to do with sitting. You don't earn a rating when you sit. His best rating is this year in his 20 minutes.

I won't be surprised if we give him a try but I really want this team to take major steps at some point and messing with him, is not worth it.

We talk about the "comeback of the centers" but you are talking about guys that either are superstars, hit 3s or are insanely defensively good, as well as elite shot blockers and rebounds.

There are no "good" signs for Okafor. They are all really bad.

Could it hurt to give him a shot? You never know with this franchise. Anything is a risk. If we signed him this year who would we waive?

Would you bench the guys our young team is now playing relatively well with to suddenly start Okafor? Then he'd be up for contract this summer.

Most I do is see what happens with Bledsoe, in the draft, with Len and our other centers and then if somehow we have an open roster spot and feel we really need a C in July, perhaps we can sign him then, but I'd probably just steer clear.

BUT, if we miss out on all the premier C's, Len leaves, and Chandler gets dumped, at that point there might be a decent reason to give him a shot. But then you have the dilemma of how long do you sign him for? 2 years with a team option in 2nd year? Longer? Non guaranteed at some point?

Not sure about the obsession and why people want to ignore or dismiss numbers. I think anyone can turn it around, but he obviously has near zero interest and the market for centers in free agency barring stars is extremely limited these days anyway.

[bwgood77]

Here's the problem I see with the Schroeder for Bledsoe type of deal--the Hawks are rebuilding. They may want to offload Schroeder, but what they would want is the return Phoenix would get for Bledsoe plus something. So would we really rather have Schroeder and surrender this year's Miami pick than keeping the Miami pick and adding Brogdon, Bucks pick; Mudiay, Hernangomez, Den Pick; Frank or NYK pick; Brooklyn pick--if any of those end up being available.

There is huge hype in Atlanta right now over Shroeder. They value him on the same level we value Jackson. I think trading for him is a non-starter.

It may be, but Zach Lowe predicted they would try to trade him this year since the GM didn't select him, he was a polarizing locker room presence and had a battery charge.

I personally don't have a huge feeling about Schroeder either way. Never really watched him. Never thought of him as some potential star though.

[thamadkant]

With Okafor...

Think Nurkic.


Nurkic was written off by most (here and general board) when he lost his minutes at Denver.
He was slow and unathletic.....


But now?


As the main big man inside for Blazers.... he is a beast.

[ATTL]

The more our potential trade partners struggle, the more likely they cave and give up more for bledsoe.

[jcsunsfan]

With Okafor...

Think Nurkic.


Nurkic was written off by most (here and general board) when he lost his minutes at Denver.
He was slow and unathletic.....


But now?


As the main big man inside for Blazers.... he is a beast.

Nah. Nurkic was good. I do not remember anyone saying he wasn’t. Jokic was just better.

Okafor has never been on that level. When you think Okafor, think Armen Gilliam. Older Suns fans remember him. Empty stats and no d.

Still. I am not sure Okafor ever really got a chance to improve in Philly. He would be worth a look. He should be willing to put in some work in the g league. He is better than Anthony Bennett.


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[thamadkant]

With Okafor...

Think Nurkic.


Nurkic was written off by most (here and general board) when he lost his minutes at Denver.
He was slow and unathletic.....


But now?


As the main big man inside for Blazers.... he is a beast.

Nah. Nurkic was good. I do not remember anyone saying he wasn’t. Jokic was just better.

Okafor has never been on that level. When you think Okafor, think Armen Gilliam. Older Suns fans remember him. Empty stats and no d.

Still. I am not sure Okafor ever really got a chance to improve in Philly. He would be worth a look. He should be willing to put in some work in the g league.


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there was hype on Nurkic early on... then when he lost minutes and role, people started doubting him


Okafor as a rookie was better than Nurkic, atleast as a scorer and shot blocker... so again, if Suns dont get him, some other team will and if they use him properly he will be motivated to prove people wrong.