All Things Luka Doncic

[Rn5ho]

Ofcourse some people are naturally more muscular and some are more skinny, for some it's easy to gain weight, and for others isnt. Since you love talking about FACTS I'd love to see your study in which they compare muscle growth in different body types, and what are limits of each body type. Possibly with indepth descriptions of said body types, so we can FACTUALLY find out in which category Luka falls.
I dont know whats so funny about what I said, try to use your brain a bit. Taller people weigh more than shorter people. If the 10kg of muscle is 16% of your body weight it's going to show differently than if it's only 8%. Taller people also have bigger frames, which means those 10kg will spread over bigger area. Looking ripped is also mostly about having really low % of body fat. You could state with which part of my statement you disagree, but spamming smilies like a 13 year old works too.

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My friend, you started the smiley spreading i just gave you back some of your own medicine. If someone else does what you do it is kinda annoying isnt it?

And to end the ripped debate. One of your colegues suggested doncics next step is to get ripped!? So i answered how it is. Beeing ripped isnt a indicator for a mans fitness level so i found it it funny that one of you highly objective observers would suggest such thing. It sounded like you said, 13year oldish

Learn to read, seriously. You called Luka out that he is all around player but doesn't have anything that NBA would be looking for. I answered you exactly that and you went around dropping BS about getting ripped and body types and how Luka will never get ripped. That was far from being the point of the post, yet you made it a big deal and as I already predicted, ignored the majority of the rest I wrote, because you simply had no arguments.

No one was as complete as him but they are or were excellent at one or two things. Is doncic excellent at something that the nba is lacking or in search of, or does he do alot of things very well?

And they were in dire need of speed/20ppg because they had none of that before? Doncic has excellent basketball IQ, excellent shot stroke which could potentially become elite (there's a lot of potential when he works with NBA coaches on this as he has all the pre-requisites, which Dragic for example didn't have - not sure about Parker). He has excellent court vision and rebound anticipation.

He does these things at excellent level already while physically being 3-4 years away from nearing his prime. When he buckles up and gets the muscles, he will no doubt be at very least able to stand his own ground vs NBA guards.

Just look at this picture:

https://imgur.com/a/9S13T
(source: https://sportida.photoshelter.com/gallery/20051007-SLO-Basketball-Practice-session-of-KK-Slovan-before-new-season-2005-06/G0000dcJGrjBYDDE )

Think we all know who that is? he was 19 years and 5 months old there, so about 9 months older than Doncic currently. He had nowhere near a body that could potentially be in the NBA and we know what he looks like today.. Doncic will definitely get that "fixed" when he gets to NBA, he already has amazing body for that, but needs to get ripped. He will in NBA.. If Dragic could, no doubt Doncic can as well. And the rest, I already mentioned above. Ofc in your usual manner you will ignore majority and say "they were fast/quick, Luka is not" and end it there, refusing to look at the bigger picture. Nobody is/was perfect entering NBA, but people expect that from Luka, otherwise he has no chance whatsoever to be anything more than a role player. Maybe he will be just a role player, but currently it doesn't look that way.

[J_T]

Haven't seen this one posted:
http://www.euroleague.net/features/interviews/euroleague-2017-18/i/8atfu4dgulkw4hsr/luka-doncic-real-madrid-you-have-to-find-the-motivation

He has played every position except C this season, definitely positive for development.

The last question was interesting:

There is a lot of hype around you and even greater expectations after this month that you had. How do you handle it?

"Yes, it is a little bit difficult. In the end, I try not to read so many things written about it, so much stuff said about me on the Internet. It is difficult, because you always get to read something, but I try not to do that too much. Except RealGM Draft forum, I read that every day. Sometimes I want to quit basketball, I'm too small and too big at the same time and I can't get ripped. Cause Euro.

His answers to media have always been very simple tbh, they show the age, he has no experience. He should learn quickly to start talking ****, and have one controversial statement every 14 days, LeBron style.

[GimmeDat]

Haven't seen this one posted:
http://www.euroleague.net/features/interviews/euroleague-2017-18/i/8atfu4dgulkw4hsr/luka-doncic-real-madrid-you-have-to-find-the-motivation

He has played every position except C this season, definitely positive for development.

The last question was interesting:

There is a lot of hype around you and even greater expectations after this month that you had. How do you handle it?

"Yes, it is a little bit difficult. In the end, I try not to read so many things written about it, so much stuff said about me on the Internet. It is difficult, because you always get to read something, but I try not to do that too much. Except RealGM Draft forum, I read that every day. Sometimes I want to quit basketball, I'm too small and too big at the same time and I can't get ripped. Cause Euro.

His answers to media have always been very simple tbh, they show the age, he has no experience. He should learn quickly to start talking ****, and have one controversial statement every 14 days, LeBron style.

[SportsGuy8]

Good one.

[BoardCrusher]

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[SportsGuy8]

People work 10 hours a day hard physical labor and is not healthy, they sit on airplane and it's risky, but they do. Basketball players play basketball, it's what they do

When metnionig Croatian players Bogdanovic, Bender, Saric played this summer. Zizic, Zubac and Hezonja took free summer to work on their game....Funny is to see their roles this season


And is interesting that almost ever Euro basketball legend were there for their national teams trough history, just few like Ilglauskas did not. Sure Doncic can take summer off, but I hope he never does. He can take a year off from club basketball if he wants

Btw., nex summer is free thanks to FIBA anyway

I think it's often an ego thing. Players who keep skipping mostly play on teams where they don't have defined roles, they aren't main guys, and/or teams that have chemistry issues (for example several Serbian teams in the past).

On the other hand, anyone who's a real star and so good that he can make his team be competitive, rarely skips it. It's all about being the leader, focal point and actually being able to contend. Almost nobody is going to pass on that. And Dirk showed that if you're really good, you can make virtually any team be at least a medal contender and that's probably going to be the case with Doncic.

P.s.: Please do note that it doesn't really count when a player skips when he's up for a giant contract extension and/or is preparing for his rookie year. That's a bit different.

[J_T]

I think it's interesting to note that stars from the Eurobasket generally started their NBA season very well. Porzingis is a monster, Lauri doing well, Dragic his usual thing... these top players went as far as to deny that it would affect their NBA season at all, because they know what they have to do. I am ok with players skipping a career contract season as well, no problem there.

I want to address something completely different, that was discussed here recently. I personally am one of the most anti-hype guys you have ever met. I haven't watched a single episode of Game of Thrones because I don't like the hype surrounding it. I like cheering for the underdog. I need to be objective when it comes to sports because of my line of work.

Whatever the NBA prospect is, I always have the same starting position: "Overrated." I end up being correct 99% of the time anyway, so I think it's a good starting position. It then takes time and arguments to convince me that a prospect is real deal. Two years ago I wasn't thinking that Doncic was to become top 3 NBA draft pick. I don't have much experience watching 16-year old kids playing agains adults so what I saw was... well, I saw probably the worst player in the team. One of the best teams in Europe, but still. I saw so many weaknesses in his play. I understood that he was 16, so I didn't make much fuss about it. But he had to show some serious progress to be able to justify some of the hype around him. Because guess what, I have seen tons of players that looked SIMILAR to him when he was 14-16 years old and they busted. For every Luka Doncic you have 20 guys with several boxes of MVP titles in their attic they got when they were 13 years old who are today playing in low level competitions around the world or are not playing basketball at all.

And he got better. The most shocking thing for me in last 2 years was the RATE of progress. If he keeps this rate, he is going to be an NBA superstar in 2 years. Is he going to keep the same rate of progress? No chance. I don't believe it's possible. But basically that's all he needs to become a superstar - keep the same rate of progress in next two years as he has had in last two years. The odds are stacked against him, heavily. He's beaten the odds before, though. So we will see what his real ceiling is. He is working hard, no doubt about it.

[SportsGuy8]

It's actually extremely common that the players who play well in international competition over the summer also start their club seasons very well. It also keeps happening with Team USA players. It's completely logical since they're obviously in a much better shape, not just physically, but they're mentally prepared for high level competition right away, compared to those who just trained in the gym and played meaningless pick-up games.

The problem arises in the later stages of the season, when fatigue from being burned out starts kicking in.

As for Doncic, yeah, if he keeps making a similar type of progress (highly unlikely, if not impossible, as you noted), he's going to be an NBA superstar in 2 years.

[Rn5ho]

Please don't write "he's going to be an NBA superstar in 2 years.", no matter the context. We all know that trolls will only quote out this part of the text and we'll have 2-3 pages again how it's a fact that this can never ever in millions years happen, without taking the context into consideration..

[J_T]

Please don't write "he's going to be an NBA superstar in 2 years.", no matter the context. We all know that trolls will only quote out this part of the text and we'll have 2-3 pages again how it's a fact that this can never ever in millions years happen, without taking the context into consideration..

Bring it on! Love me some trolls. Just to reiterate for the non-trolls though, because I left this out - I consider his progress in last two years to have been highly unlikely as well. if somebody had told me back then that this is the player we have today I'd say I'll believe it when I see it.

[UcanUwill]

I think he needs to shed some weight and replace it with solid muscle. Right now his upper body is very undefined and dare I say even a bit chubby looking.

[Rn5ho]

I think he needs to shed some weight and replace it with solid muscle. Right now his upper body is very undefined and dare I say even a bit chubby looking.

But it's not possible with his body type.. Look at Marc Gasol, he's also not defined and slightly chubby, so Luka doesn't need that /s

Yeah, this was discussed in the last pages, I also think it's gonna help him a lot when he gets some proper muscle and strength (but don't forget, he's still just 18, so physically he'll need some time to get on level with veterans) and then he will also be able (hopefully, not factually) to bully players with his driving/layups/dunks, which people expect from him now.

[UcanUwill]

I think he needs to shed some weight and replace it with solid muscle. Right now his upper body is very undefined and dare I say even a bit chubby looking.

But it's not possible with his body type.. Look at Marc Gasol, he's also not defined and slightly chubby, so Luka doesn't need that

Its possible, this is excuse for people who dont want to lift lol. I am not saying Luka needs to turn into Karl Malone, but a bit of definition would be nice.

[Nikson]

I think he needs to shed some weight and replace it with solid muscle. Right now his upper body is very undefined and dare I say even a bit chubby looking.

But it's not possible with his body type.. Look at Marc Gasol, he's also not defined and slightly chubby, so Luka doesn't need that

Its possible, this is excuse for people who dont want to lift lol. I am not saying Luka needs to turn into Karl Malone, but a bit of definition would be nice.

Agree with both.

[J_T]

I think he needs to shed some weight and replace it with solid muscle. Right now his upper body is very undefined and dare I say even a bit chubby looking.

No doubt. I think he has lost some already, he is slightly below 220 at the moment. Definitely not because he'd be losing muscle.

[Rn5ho]

I think he needs to shed some weight and replace it with solid muscle. Right now his upper body is very undefined and dare I say even a bit chubby looking.

But it's not possible with his body type.. Look at Marc Gasol, he's also not defined and slightly chubby, so Luka doesn't need that

Its possible, this is excuse for people who dont want to lift lol. I am not saying Luka needs to turn into Karl Malone, but a bit of definition would be nice.

Ah sorry, my comment was sarcastic, thought you'd notice the "/s" (which in online environments means sarcasm) at the end (because we had 2-3 pages of discussions where pacersGM tried to convince us that Luka can't get ripped due to his body type).

[pacersGM]

But it's not possible with his body type.. Look at Marc Gasol, he's also not defined and slightly chubby, so Luka doesn't need that

Its possible, this is excuse for people who dont want to lift lol. I am not saying Luka needs to turn into Karl Malone, but a bit of definition would be nice.

Ah sorry, my comment was sarcastic, thought you'd notice the "/s" (which in online environments means sarcasm) at the end (because we had 2-3 pages of discussions where pacersGM tried to convince us that Luka can't get ripped due to his body type).

The muscle thing is something similar paul pierce was suggested he should do. To get ripped so he can bully others around google a paul pierce picture dude please


trimmed down the post and kept the relevant content

[pacersGM]

Hey MODS. Nice work, since you are censoring /editing my post and others can provoke and troll around and being "sarcastic as they say". Seems that is accepable if you consider doncic could reach lebron/magics level . If you dont feel that your posts are beeing censored. Thats very 2017 i must say

So i will distance myself from this objective thread and will comeback in a few years when doncic/harden will be the tough choice for nba mvp

Cya around guys. Keep the objective spirit.
I hope at least my last post wont get censored or edited

[burek3]

Ya, shure, c ya.

[narcolepsy]

This thread won't reach 100 pages if folks don't learn to respect each other. Sorry for the interuption, and please enjoy the topic.

- Ruz