Jahlil Okafor

[atlantabbq99]

Should the Hawks explore Jahlil Okafor as a possible future starter?

Pros:
-Young
-Talented
-Fills a need at center
-Could be gotten for a reasonable price

Cons:
-Poorly coached since entering the NBA
-Skill sets doesn't make him a Budz type of player
-Skills don't make him a good pairing with John Collins

[tbhawksfan1]

Buy Low sell high. Good pick up at reduced price. Makes Dedmon more expendable towards deadline and if it turns out he's not a good scheme or rotation fit, let Bud build up his value and trade him for a better fit.

[graymule]

Why? Just read some comments from their fans about Okafor.

Don't really know if anything they said was true but their opinions were:

He can't shoot. He can't run fast. He can't defend the rim. He was a pitiful pick because he's not a NBA type player.

Real salesman job by some of these posters who are hoping he goes to China to play.

Note: I just thought some Hawk fans didn't really like some of our players. Gee whiz!!

Sad, what they posted..

Could it be the way he's been coached and how he's been used? I don't know - - Just asking...

[kg01]

Should the Hawks explore Jahlil Okafor as a possible future starter?

Pros:
-Young
-Talented
-Fills a need at center
-Could be gotten for a reasonable price

Cons:
-Poorly coached since entering the NBA
-Skill sets doesn't make him a Budz type of player
-Skills don't make him a good pairing with John Collins

EZPass Lane

He's a backup at best in 2017-beyond NBA. Can't (won't?) defend, can't stretch the floor, light rebounder, small(ish), potential attitude issues?

If they take him, it'll be a multi-year THJr-type tear-down/rebuild so it'd be like 2 years before he emerged from Budz' dingy, basement. It'd take a few minutes for his eyes to adjust to the sun again but he'd emerge a better player.

Considering he's coming off several years of fruitless "development" in PHI, I question whether he'd be in for a process like that.

[Robo_Claw]

I'd be willing to take a flier on him. I bet a late 2nd would get it done at this point.

[Jamaaliver]

Buy Low sell high. Good pick up at reduced price.

What a wonderful approach to team building.

And asset acquisition in general.

[kg01]

I'd be willing to take a flier on him. I bet a late 2nd would get it done at this point.

Nah, he's a buyout candidate now. Nobody thinks he's worth even a late 2nd or a .... 2RP (that's what the cool kids call them now )

[Jamaaliver]

Could it be the way he's been coached and how he's been used? I don't know - - Just asking...

Clearly the kid has some warts and attitude issues. But a talented seven footer who can create his own shot--there's always a place for them in this game.



He likely will need to come off the bench because of all his deficiencies.

But I can see him playing a role similar to Greg Monroe with the Bucks.

...serving as the focal point of the offense for the second unit. He just has to get out of Philly.

[Jamaaliver]

I'd be willing to take a flier on him. I bet a late 2nd would get it done at this point.

Nah, he's a buyout candidate now. Nobody thinks he's worth even a late 2nd or a .... 2RP (that's what the cool kids call them now )

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[Robo_Claw]

I'd be willing to take a flier on him. I bet a late 2nd would get it done at this point.

Nah, he's a buyout candidate now. Nobody thinks he's worth even a late 2nd or a .... 2RP (that's what the cool kids call them now )

oh dang, thats pretty wild.

EDIT: surprised this dude can't get any interest meanwhile we are paying miles flipping plumlee 12.5 million to chill right now.

[the_process]

:noway:

Why? Just read some comments from their fans about Okafor.

Don't really know if anything they said was true but their opinions were:

He can't shoot. He can't run fast. He can't defend the rim. He was a pitiful pick because he's not a NBA type player.

Real salesman job by some of these posters who are hoping he goes to China to play.

Note: I just thought some Hawk fans didn't really like some of our players. Gee whiz!!

Sad, what they posted..

Could it be the way he's been coached and how he's been used? I don't know - - Just asking...

Don’t blame Philly fans because Okafor chose to sulk about where he was drafted instead of working to get better for two whole years. He finally figured out this offseason he needed to shed some pounds and get in better shape and exhibit effort on the defensive end and learn a jump shot.

I blame the AAU system. Jahlil was too big for any kids to stop in AAU or high school, so he coasted by until he got to college, where you can still run a post centric offense. There he was told not to get in foul trouble, so he learned not to contest any shots.

Anyway, scouting report on Jah: still has elite post footwork and moves. Has a little mid range jumper he’s been working on, and has been seen in practice shooting 3’s. Not sure you want him doing any shooting in a game situation yet, though. Defensively he’s okay in man defense, but he doesn’t think the game fast enough to be any use as a help defender. Not a rim protector, although he will get blocks. He also has exhibited shoddy effort on both defense and in rebounding up until this season. His rebounding instincts are quite poor, no timing.

In summary, I can’t really blame any team for not giving up anything for him. I was holding out hope until yesterday that some team could get fooled into trading something decent for him

[Jamaaliver]

...Okafor finally figured out this offseason he needed to shed some pounds and get in better shape and exhibit effort on the defensive end and learn a jump shot.

I blame the AAU system. Jahlil was too big for any kids to stop in AAU or high school, so he coasted by until he got to college, where you can still run a post centric offense. There he was told not to get in foul trouble, so he learned not to contest any shots.

Anyway, scouting report on Jah: still has elite post footwork and moves. Has a little mid range jumper he’s been working on, and has been seen in practice shooting 3’s. Not sure you want him doing any shooting in a game situation yet, though. Defensively he’s okay in man defense, but he doesn’t think the game fast enough to be any use as a help defender. Not a rim protector, although he will get blocks. He also has exhibited shoddy effort on both defense and in rebounding up until this season. His rebounding instincts are quite poor, no timing.

In summary, I can’t really blame any team for not giving up anything for him. I was holding out hope until yesterday that some team could get fooled into trading something decent for him

Thanks for the scouting report.

I'm intrigued by having an elite post scorer available off the bench.

A change of venue is long overdue for this kid.


AAU has led to a number of young, athletic kids being unprepared for the new NBA: Okafor, Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo...

[the_process]

...Okafor finally figured out this offseason he needed to shed some pounds and get in better shape and exhibit effort on the defensive end and learn a jump shot.

I blame the AAU system. Jahlil was too big for any kids to stop in AAU or high school, so he coasted by until he got to college, where you can still run a post centric offense. There he was told not to get in foul trouble, so he learned not to contest any shots.

Anyway, scouting report on Jah: still has elite post footwork and moves. Has a little mid range jumper he’s been working on, and has been seen in practice shooting 3’s. Not sure you want him doing any shooting in a game situation yet, though. Defensively he’s okay in man defense, but he doesn’t think the game fast enough to be any use as a help defender. Not a rim protector, although he will get blocks. He also has exhibited shoddy effort on both defense and in rebounding up until this season. His rebounding instincts are quite poor, no timing.

In summary, I can’t really blame any team for not giving up anything for him. I was holding out hope until yesterday that some team could get fooled into trading something decent for him

Thanks for the scouting report.

I'm intrigued by having an elite post scorer available off the bench.

A change of venue is long overdue for this kid.


AAU has led to a number of young, athletic kids being unprepared for the new NBA: Okafor, Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo...

Two more things that I guess didn’t come across: Jah is a ball stopper. In order for him to use those post moves you have to dump the ball into him and then he takes 7-10 secs doing his thing. And he’s not a good athlete. Slow footed, mediocre agility and leaping. He does have a great wingspan, though, which is how he blocks shots without being any good at rim protection.

[macd-gm]

...Okafor finally figured out this offseason he needed to shed some pounds and get in better shape and exhibit effort on the defensive end and learn a jump shot.

I blame the AAU system. Jahlil was too big for any kids to stop in AAU or high school, so he coasted by until he got to college, where you can still run a post centric offense. There he was told not to get in foul trouble, so he learned not to contest any shots.

Anyway, scouting report on Jah: still has elite post footwork and moves. Has a little mid range jumper he’s been working on, and has been seen in practice shooting 3’s. Not sure you want him doing any shooting in a game situation yet, though. Defensively he’s okay in man defense, but he doesn’t think the game fast enough to be any use as a help defender. Not a rim protector, although he will get blocks. He also has exhibited shoddy effort on both defense and in rebounding up until this season. His rebounding instincts are quite poor, no timing.

In summary, I can’t really blame any team for not giving up anything for him. I was holding out hope until yesterday that some team could get fooled into trading something decent for him

Thanks for the scouting report.

I'm intrigued by having an elite post scorer available off the bench.

A change of venue is long overdue for this kid.


AAU has led to a number of young, athletic kids being unprepared for the new NBA: Okafor, Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo...

Hmm. It's hard to make the case that Dwight wasn't ready for the NBA other than maybe on a personal, outside of basketball level. Dude was a dominant center in the league for his first 8 seasons until physical decline took it's toll.

[ATL Boy]

He's very talented, I'd take a flier on him if it's cheap. Would be a moderate/high risk and low reward type of move that a rebuilding team can afford to make.


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[graymule]

If a second round pick would get him right now, Hawks could take him with them when they leave tonight!
After all, they do have one or two extra 2nd round picks in their pocket.

[Jamaaliver]

Thanks for the scouting report.

I'm intrigued by having an elite post scorer available off the bench.

A change of venue is long overdue for this kid.


AAU has led to a number of young, athletic kids being unprepared for the new NBA: Okafor, Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo...

Hmm. It's hard to make the case that Dwight wasn't ready for the NBA other than maybe on a personal, outside of basketball level. Dude was a dominant center in the league for his first 8 seasons until physical decline took it's toll.

Clarification: I meant unprepared for this new era of pace and space where post scoring is minimized and every position needs to be able to shoot the ball.

[kg01]

Honestly, IMHO, PHI's inability to develop/use Okafor is simply evidence that I'm right about Brett Brown. Fraud.

[Jamaaliver]

Honestly, IMHO, PHI's inability to develop/use Okafor is simply evidence that I'm right about Brett Brown. Fraud.

LOL

What do the emergence of Simmons, Embiid, Dario, R Covington and MCW under Brown say about him?

[kg01]

Honestly, IMHO, PHI's inability to develop/use Okafor is simply evidence that I'm right about Brett Brown. Fraud.

LOL

What do the emergence of Simmons, Embiid, Dario, R Covington and MCW under Brown say about him?

First, none of Saric, Covington or MCW "emerged" anywhere. Simmons and Embiid were considered transcendent before they got there.