Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[lilfishi22]

There have been a number of years even when LeBron could have played more games to likely easily finish the top of the east that they didn't. I know the Heat finished behind the Bulls their first year, and behind the Pacers one year. The Cavs after he returned behind the Hawks one year and the Celtics last year.

Obviously he'd probably rather finish higher but I don't think it will be that big of a deal as long as they are top 5 or 6.

But it's a bit premature to talk about that since they are only two games back of the top team in the east.

I mean if they start like 5-13 or something I think they might legitimately think about doing something drastic. It might be something more like Love and the Brooklyn pick for Cousins if the Pelicans are playing really poorly though.

I still think if they trade the pick they will attach top 5 protection to it. Without a doubt if it was for Bledsoe.

The top of the East isn't a big deal because they are still talented enough to get to the Finals, it's all about competitiveness. They have their 1st game against GSW on Xmas day then they have another game in late Jan. I think it would be telling how competitive they would be as whether they are looking to do something drastic. If that Brooklyn pick isn't looking like top 5, then they could put it on the table

[Walt_Uoob]

Keep Bledsoe to draft day and target a star prospect with a package of:

3 Firsts - Phoenix, Miami, Miami
3 Seconds - Phoenix, Memphis, Toronto
1 Player - Bledsoe

With Booker looking like an All-Star next season this would be a good time to finish the roster build and acquire the final piece.

That's an overpay unless it's for Porzingis. I can't see any other player who might become available who is worth that. 3 1sts is the traditional star trade. Throwing in 3 2nds and Bled on top of it is too much imo.

It seems like so much to give up but if we're convinced one of those top 5 guys is an absolute franchise-changer, it's not inconceivable. We'd still have all our own picks going forward (but I'd prefer to include a future pick from us and hold onto the MIA '21 pick).

If the Nets pick lands in the top 3, all these Cavs trades we've all been talking about could actually make more sense for both teams this summer than now, since 1) we'd know it's a top pick rather than just a chance at one, so we'd be willing to give up more, 2) their other option might be paying IT twice as much as Bledsoe makes, 3) that's a hefty enough package of picks that they wouldn't be mortgaging their whole future, and 4) with our pick in the 7-14 range the Cavs could still probably land a seasoned college player ready to contribute right away.

Would you all trade that package for the Nets pick if you KNEW it was top-3? I think I might.

[jredsaz]

There are 9 of them.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/arizonas-billionaires-rankings-2677469

Bob Parson, founder of GoDaddy would be perfect.

I don't see the franchise moving. Colangelo wouldn't let that happen. I could also see a new arena and some public funding if a new owner is willing to make some concessions with the Yotes.

Sarver selling would be the best thing possible for this franchise.

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The main reason I don't see relocation happening is how hard the league worked to keep the Kings in Sacramento. I think the plan is to get Seattle a team through expansion.

I agree. Vegas, SD, St. Louis, KC are other options for expansion.

Phoenix metro is the 12th largest tv market in the country. The NBA isn't leaving that. Memphis at 48 and New Orleans at 53 have something to be concerned about. Guessing the Pels move before anyone else. Benson will sell and they don't have the corporate base to keep them there.

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[lilfishi22]

I'd rather just move him for a pick. I'm sure Milwaukee and Denver would be very happy to hear all we wanted was a pick swap. I'm pretty sure we can get a first from them if we just take matching salary. If a pick swap was the best part of a package then we may not end up getting it or using it at all.

Ultimately, I'm looking at that Brooklyn pick with the option to swap picks. This way the Cavs aren't without a pick and it'll very likely still be in the lotto just not as high.

I wouldn't be unhappy if we just moved Bledsoe for some sort of package from the Bucks or Nugs but it's that Brooklyn pick that I want.

[jcsunsfan]

I'd rather just move him for a pick. I'm sure Milwaukee and Denver would be very happy to hear all we wanted was a pick swap. I'm pretty sure we can get a first from them if we just take matching salary. If a pick swap was the best part of a package then we may not end up getting it or using it at all.

Ultimately, I'm looking at that Brooklyn pick with the option to swap picks. This way the Cavs aren't without a pick and it'll very likely still be in the lotto just not as high.

I wouldn't be unhappy if we just moved Bledsoe for some sort of package from the Bucks or Nugs but it's that Brooklyn pick that I want.

I would even be willing to let them choose whether they want the Miami pick or the Suns pick when and if the Suns exercise the right to swap. If we say we want the Nets pick, then they can take the Suns pick this year, the Miami pick this year, or if the Miami is picking top 7, they can take the Miami pick next year.

[lilfishi22]

I'd rather just move him for a pick. I'm sure Milwaukee and Denver would be very happy to hear all we wanted was a pick swap. I'm pretty sure we can get a first from them if we just take matching salary. If a pick swap was the best part of a package then we may not end up getting it or using it at all.

Ultimately, I'm looking at that Brooklyn pick with the option to swap picks. This way the Cavs aren't without a pick and it'll very likely still be in the lotto just not as high.

I wouldn't be unhappy if we just moved Bledsoe for some sort of package from the Bucks or Nugs but it's that Brooklyn pick that I want.

I would even be willing to let them choose whether they want the Miami pick or the Suns pick when and if the Suns exercise the right to swap. If we say we want the Nets pick, then they can take the Suns pick this year, the Miami pick this year, or if the Miami is picking top 7, they can take the Miami pick next year.

Either/or. It's fine with me

At the end of the day, Cavs still want to have a pick after trading for whoever. I think we can help them get what they want while we get what we want.

[DirtyDez]

The never ending cycle of "root for losses this year" and we get the savior in the draft and suddenly our team is going to win next year. It never ends and is a losing mentality. Hasnt exactly worked for us so far has it.


Winning isnt just about flicking a switch because we have enough talent. Alot of it is about team culture and mentality. Us winning 4 in 5 games without Bledsoe should be more than enough evidence to support that.

What does that have to do with fans? They can root for wins or losses if they want and there isn't a problem with it. Doesn't affect the team at all.

[JMac1]

Also, many may not want to hear it, but we need to start losing games again. Playoffs are not possible, and this is not the draft to get a late lotto in.

That's insane.

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Crazy insane!!

[JMac1]

The never ending cycle of "root for losses this year" and we get the savior in the draft and suddenly our team is going to win next year. It never ends and is a losing mentality. Hasnt exactly worked for us so far has it.


Winning isnt just about flicking a switch because we have enough talent. Alot of it is about team culture and mentality. Us winning 4 in 5 games without Bledsoe should be more than enough evidence to support that.

What does that have to do with fans? They can root for wins or losses if they want and there isn't a problem with it. Doesn't affect the team at all.

Fans don't root for losses when your team is 4-4...

[Mulhollanddrive]

McDonough said we have some offers that are close to what we consider best offers and we'd rather trade Bledsoe sooner rather than later.

[ATTL]

I can understand the yearning for a high pick next summer. Personally, I still think we need another big piece to push us from Portland tier treadmill to upper tier potential in a few years. I expect booker to improve, TJ and JJ to improve, one of chriss or bender to cement himself as a starter.

I don't expect these wins to continue, I think we're catching teams sleeping right now and we also have the new coach smell still on the team. I still expect high 20's win total. With luck we can still get our man next summer.

We're 2 weeks into a long season.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If we get the Denver pick we may be looking at something like:

Pick 7, Pick 14, Pick 18, Pick 37, Pick 48, Pick 50.

I'm not sure if a team would be willing to move down a few spots to get a package of picks instead.

[LukasBMW]

If we get any young players back, they better have a positive attitude and great work ethic. I don't want to mess with our chemistry.

[bwgood77]

If we get the Denver pick we may be looking at something like:

Pick 7, Pick 14, Pick 18, Pick 37, Pick 48, Pick 50.

I'm not sure if a team would be willing to move down a few spots to get a package of picks instead.

Yeah, potentially a team with like the 8th pick might go for the 14th, 18th and one of the seconds. No one is likely to trade out of the top 5 unless a star or young potential star is on the table and they are more ready to win now than pick those later picks.

[Blonde]

Maybe if the Cavs protected the Nets pick, say top 5, we could arrange something. They won't be giving up a chance a getting a major difference maker, and we'll be betting on the Nets having better than a bottom 5 record. And if it doesn't convey this year then it we get their first this year and in 2021. By 2021 Lebron will be long gone and I can't imagine they'd be a top seed, so that could be very valuable. Both teams take a gamble but Cleveland feels safer.

Suns in: Nets pick (protected top 5 or else 2 cleveland firsts), Shumpert, Frye
Cavs in: Bledsoe

[jcsunsfan]

Maybe if the Cavs protected the Nets pick, say top 5, we could arrange something. They won't be giving up a chance a getting a major difference maker, and we'll be betting on the Nets having better than a bottom 5 record. And if it doesn't convey this year then it we get their first this year and in 2021. By 2021 Lebron will be long gone and I can't imagine they'd be a top seed, so that could be very valuable. Both teams take a gamble but Cleveland feels safer.

Suns in: Nets pick (protected top 5 or else 2 cleveland firsts), Shumpert, Frye
Cavs in: Bledsoe

Nah. The point of trading for that pick is to get a shot at the top 5. I would rather just negotiate a swap.


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[LukasBMW]

Bledsoe to the Nuggets for their top 10 protected pick, but we have the right to SWAP picks if their pick winds up in the top 10.

So either we gain a pick or we have the option to swap.

Denver is the best bet if the Brooklyn pick is not on the table and the Bucks won't trade Brogdon.

[LukasBMW]

We could also help Lebron build his LAL super team:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb24sv8j

Bledsoe
KCP
PG13
Lebron
Lopez

Funny thing is I still think the Warriors crush them.

[Blonde]

Maybe if the Cavs protected the Nets pick, say top 5, we could arrange something. They won't be giving up a chance a getting a major difference maker, and we'll be betting on the Nets having better than a bottom 5 record. And if it doesn't convey this year then it we get their first this year and in 2021. By 2021 Lebron will be long gone and I can't imagine they'd be a top seed, so that could be very valuable. Both teams take a gamble but Cleveland feels safer.

Suns in: Nets pick (protected top 5 or else 2 cleveland firsts), Shumpert, Frye
Cavs in: Bledsoe

Nah. The point of trading for that pick is to get a shot at the top 5. I would rather just negotiate a swap.


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We're never getting that pick unprotected.

[Bogyo]

Pretty good/intresting debate.
I also think that we really need a top5 pick this year to qualify in the arms race of the young superteams, which is less and less likely. So we are winning at the worst possible time, in typical Suns fashion.
But I enjoyed the hell out of last nights win yelling at the TV like crazy. I guess I'm rooting for the ping-pong balls to fall right once in my goddamn lifetime - finish 10th, pick 1st. #Sunsat50