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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#281 » by the_process » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Not as big a fan of Bender. I think his athletic limitations lower his ceiling. I think Chriss is and will continue to be a better player. Chriss could outright bloom in Philly lined up at the PF spot between Simmons and Embiid.

Bender strikes me as a Lauri Markkanen, except instead of having an A+ shooting skill, it's just a C+/B- shooting skill.


Is that to say Bender sucks on defense? I remember Bender was touted as being good on defense/having rim protection capability. Is that totally out the window?
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Post#282 » by Kobblehead » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:18 pm

I don't think he sucks, defensively, but I don't seem being much better than average. He'll fair better when he bulks up and he gets moved to C fulltime, Imo. Right now, he's a switch target for opposing teams at F.
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Post#283 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:31 am

Kobblehead wrote:I don't think he sucks, defensively, but I don't seem being much better than average. He'll fair better when he bulks up and he gets moved to C fulltime, Imo. Right now, he's a switch target for opposing teams at F.


Bender is very good defensively. He is probably the Suns best defender at the moment. Its his offense that is underdeveloped.
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Post#284 » by Ericb5 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:48 am

Kobblehead wrote:I don't think he sucks, defensively, but I don't seem being much better than average. He'll fair better when he bulks up and he gets moved to C fulltime, Imo. Right now, he's a switch target for opposing teams at F.


He’s impressive athletically to me right now. Not sure that I agree that he should play center. I think he has the foot speed to play the 4.


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Post#285 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Nov 1, 2017 3:26 pm

I would swap Dario/Okafor for Bender in a heartbeat.
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Post#286 » by Kobblehead » Wed Nov 1, 2017 6:13 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I don't think he sucks, defensively, but I don't seem being much better than average. He'll fair better when he bulks up and he gets moved to C fulltime, Imo. Right now, he's a switch target for opposing teams at F.


Bender is very good defensively. He is probably the Suns best defender at the moment. Its his offense that is underdeveloped.

I think he's ahead of the curve because he's disciplined and responsible, defensively, and most 19-20 year olds are not. I don't think he'll ever be a defensive weapon like Chriss could be with more seasoning.

While Bender has decent quickness for his size, I just don't think he's athletic enough to defend on the perimeter as a modern PF. I think he's an exploited switch waiting to happen.
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Post#287 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Nov 1, 2017 9:45 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
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Kobblehead wrote:I don't think he sucks, defensively, but I don't seem being much better than average. He'll fair better when he bulks up and he gets moved to C fulltime, Imo. Right now, he's a switch target for opposing teams at F.


Bender is very good defensively. He is probably the Suns best defender at the moment. Its his offense that is underdeveloped.

I think he's ahead of the curve because he's disciplined and responsible, defensively, and most 19-20 year olds are not. I don't think he'll ever be a defensive weapon like Chriss could be with more seasoning.

While Bender has decent quickness for his size, I just don't think he's athletic enough to defend on the perimeter as a modern PF. I think he's an exploited switch waiting to happen.


His specialty is defending on the perimeter. He is doing very well at it right now. If I had to, right now, choose between Bender and Chriss, it would be Bender and it would not be close. I think most Suns fans would say the same thing.
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Post#288 » by the_process » Wed Nov 1, 2017 11:34 pm

Ok so I’m going with Saric, Bayless, Okafor, and a top 10 protected 1st that immediately becomes two 2nds if not conveyed for Bledsoe and Chriss.
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Post#289 » by 51X3RF4N » Thu Nov 2, 2017 4:48 am

Ok, I may have said something like this before, so sorry if I am repeating.

Someone find me an NBA player who is starter capable, a defensive monster who can defend the 2, 3, or 4 spots, is athletic and very explosive at the rim, and can hit catch and shoot 3pt shots...

Whoever that guy is, we should trade for that guy.

I would prefer to keep Saric and bring him off the bench next to Holmes.

Ideally, this is the future I see...

Simmons at the PG guarding the opposing 3 or 4.

Fultz at off guard defending the opposing PG.

Covington at the 3 guarding the opposing 2, 3 or 4.

Player X (mentioned above) at the PF spot defending the opposing 2, 3, or 4 depending on matchups.

Embiid at the 5 defending the 5.

Off the bench, TJ at the PG spot (yes, I think he should be out there in relief of Ben), a shooter at the 2 (JJ, Kork), a wing defender at the SF spot (TLC, Anderson), Saric at the PF spot, and Holmes at Center.

I would honestly trade the 2018 pick top 3 protected for the Player X named above. Ideally he is 26 or younger and on a decent contract. I'd package Okafor, Staukas, and the 2018 pick for that guy, because that is the skill set needed to take this team to the next level.

And I really am not fond of the prospects in the 2018 draft outside of the top 6-8 in terms of fit on this roster, so trade it for a player who can help now.

Obviously I like some of the draft prospects but do we really need to bring in another young rookie?

Let's make a win now move, and go get that guy, if he exists...
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Post#290 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Nov 2, 2017 5:00 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Ok, I may have said something like this before, so sorry if I am repeating.

Someone find me an NBA player who is starter capable, a defensive monster who can defend the 2, 3, or 4 spots, is athletic and very explosive at the rim, and can hit catch and shoot 3pt shots...

Whoever that guy is, we should trade for that guy.

Let's make a win now move, and go get that guy, if he exists...


That sounds like an absolute superstar player. Good luck finding him, but I'm on board! lol
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Post#291 » by tsmith » Thu Nov 2, 2017 5:41 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Ok, I may have said something like this before, so sorry if I am repeating.

Someone find me an NBA player who is starter capable, a defensive monster who can defend the 2, 3, or 4 spots, is athletic and very explosive at the rim, and can hit catch and shoot 3pt shots...

Whoever that guy is, we should trade for that guy.



Umm KD, Kawhi, Draymond.... that's all im really coming up with.
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Post#292 » by 51X3RF4N » Thu Nov 2, 2017 2:48 pm

Ok dull it down a bit then. Think role player. Defensive stopper, versatile in defending multiple positions, explosive athlete, and can hit catch and shoot 3s at a decent clip (35%+). Anyone else? Is Tobias Harris a candidate? I don't know much about his game. Is anyone in the league who fits the mold even attainable using the 2018 pick plus some bench guys?
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Post#293 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 2, 2017 3:00 pm

Al-Farouq Aminu kind of meets your description.

He's a long, athletic stopper that can defend both F positions. Over the last three seasons, he's hitting 1.4 threes per game at a 35% clip.

His salary in this season and the next are $7.3m and $6.9m.

I would swap out Saric for him in a heartbeat.
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Post#294 » by the_process » Thu Nov 2, 2017 3:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Al-Farouq Aminu kind of meets your description.

He's a long, athletic stopper that can defend both F positions. Over the last three seasons, he's hitting 1.4 threes per game at a 35% clip.

His salary in this season and the next are $7.3m and $6.9m.

I would swap out Saric for him in a heartbeat.


Saric and a 1st (protection TBD) for Aminu and Zach Collins?
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Post#295 » by SparksFly87 » Thu Nov 2, 2017 4:43 pm

76ers have the potential foundation to give the warriors the most trouble in the NBA with their center pieces Simmons , Embiid and potentially fultz.

We are missing a athletic scoring guard to compliment Fultz who defends and another forward who can guard 1-4 and stretch the defense to pair with Roco as a starter.

Why not go for it and acquire Bledsoe some how from Phoenix with Okafor , Bayless and picks .

Bledsoe upgrades out guard defense,scoring and athleticism and also is great friends with LeBron who would fit perfectly in out lineup as a free agent

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Post#296 » by smittybanton » Thu Nov 2, 2017 8:52 pm

BC said he multiple offers last year. Okafor's camp says there were offers on the table. BC still thinks he can get something for Okafor even though he'll be an unrestricted free agent.

On the other hand, there's a report saying the Sixers may settle for two second round picks.

Conclusion: All the deals that have been on the table for Okafor over the last two years involve the Sixers taking on salary, and BC has been under orders since taking over to keep Josh Harris' pockets lined.

We are not signing a max free agent next year. Colangelo is full of ****. Fortunately, we have studs on the roster and we will develop them. We will use our cap space to re-sign our own guys, and maybe take on a Kentavious Caldwell Pope or something.

Other than Paul George, who is there to get? Aaron Gordon? Max money to Avery Bradley?

Embiid and Simmons are going to make Josh Harris a ton of money. And we will win a championship if we draft and develop exceedingly well. I have high hopes for Fultz, Korkmaz and Jonah Bolden. I hope we get Michael Porter in the draft.

Free agency? Not counting on it.
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Post#297 » by smittybanton » Fri Nov 3, 2017 2:32 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:Ok, I may have said something like this before, so sorry if I am repeating.

Someone find me an NBA player who is starter capable, a defensive monster who can defend the 2, 3, or 4 spots, is athletic and very explosive at the rim, and can hit catch and shoot 3pt shots...

Whoever that guy is, we should trade for that guy.

I would prefer to keep Saric and bring him off the bench next to Holmes.

Ideally, this is the future I see...

Simmons at the PG guarding the opposing 3 or 4.

Fultz at off guard defending the opposing PG.

Covington at the 3 guarding the opposing 2, 3 or 4.

Player X (mentioned above) at the PF spot defending the opposing 2, 3, or 4 depending on matchups.

Embiid at the 5 defending the 5.

Off the bench, TJ at the PG spot (yes, I think he should be out there in relief of Ben), a shooter at the 2 (JJ, Kork), a wing defender at the SF spot (TLC, Anderson), Saric at the PF spot, and Holmes at Center.

I would honestly trade the 2018 pick top 3 protected for the Player X named above. Ideally he is 26 or younger and on a decent contract. I'd package Okafor, Staukas, and the 2018 pick for that guy, because that is the skill set needed to take this team to the next level.

And I really am not fond of the prospects in the 2018 draft outside of the top 6-8 in terms of fit on this roster, so trade it for a player who can help now.

Obviously I like some of the draft prospects but do we really need to bring in another young rookie?

Let's make a win now move, and go get that guy, if he exists...


Jerami Grant? Lol.

The guy you are speaking of is Wilson Chandler. Except they let Gallinari walk. On the other hand, he's a free agent coming up ($13M player option).

Someone closer to our guys age group is Rondae Hollis Jefferson. He's also from Chester, Pa.

Draft: Miles Bridges. Precisely what you're asking for, but for the inexperience. Imagine Justin Anderson could put the ball on the floor and do some things with it.

Best of the rest:
Jae Crowder
Khris Middleton
Harrsion Barnes
Kent Bazemore (? - Atlanta rebuilding)
Demarre Carroll
Justise Winslow (Will Miami extend longterm?) (A jumpshot away)
Jerami Grant
Josh Richardson
Kyle Anderson
Rodney Hood
Maurice Harkless
Derrick Jones Jr.
DeAndre Bembry
Jake Layman (?)
Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Tyrone Williams
Dillon Brooks

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Post#298 » by 51X3RF4N » Fri Nov 3, 2017 3:07 pm

So then what would it take to get RHJ? And would he fit in the starting lineup in place of Saric/JJ? What is his contract like?

Would the 2018 pick get it done straight up? Would that be a good deal for Philly?
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Post#299 » by smittybanton » Fri Nov 3, 2017 5:50 pm

Don't know if you remember Hakim Warrick. Also from Philly. Similar game.

Third year of his rookie deal. Don't know if Nets want to pay him or not. I have no idea what they're doing. They went out and spent $$ on Allen Crabbe and Demarre Caroll. RHJ still getting inconsistent minutes. Probably don't trust his three pointer just yet.

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I believe in development and getting guys before they pop. Although I like Justise Winslow's all around game more, I think RHJ is a safer bet to develop a reliable three pointer.

I'd like to think a first round pick can get him. But I'm not sure. Interesting thing is, Justin Anderson was drafted two spots ahead of RHJ, and I liked RHJ better then and now.

Others may disagree.

With no five other than Mozgov, I'd be trying to push Okafor and Justin Anderson. If they insisted on Richaun and Justin Anderson, I'd grit my teeth and do it. Simmons, RHJ, Covington and Embiid would be so much defense, speed and athleticism, it'd be scary.
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Post#300 » by LloydFree » Fri Nov 3, 2017 10:57 pm

smittybanton wrote:Don't know if you remember Hakim Warrick. Also from Philly. Similar game.

Third year of his rookie deal. Don't know if Nets want to pay him or not. I have no idea what they're doing. They went out and spent $$ on Allen Crabbe and Demarre Caroll. RHJ still getting inconsistent minutes. Probably don't trust his three pointer just yet.

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I believe in development and getting guys before they pop. Although I like Justise Winslow's all around game more, I think RHJ is a safer bet to develop a reliable three pointer.

I'd like to think a first round pick can get him. But I'm not sure. Interesting thing is, Justin Anderson was drafted two spots ahead of RHJ, and I liked RHJ better then and now.

Others may disagree.

With no five other than Mozgov, I'd be trying to push Okafor and Justin Anderson. If they insisted on Richaun and Justin Anderson, I'd grit my teeth and do it. Simmons, RHJ, Covington and Embiid would be so much defense, speed and athleticism, it'd be scary.

I always liked RHJ better than Winslow. Better handle better court vision. But I don't know that I believe his shooting will be any better than Winslow's long term. He may get there, but he had more to fix.
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