Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[Revived]

I still like him and I think he'll turn into a solid player eventually but damn Josh Jackson has been out played by many, many, players from his rookie class.

Simmons, Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen, Collins, Tatum, and even Fox & Smith Jr have all produced more for their respective squads than Jackson has for his thus far.

I really liked Markannen and would've loved to see a starting 5 of

James
Booker
Warren
Bender
Markannen

Bender would make up for Markannen's defensive shortcomings and we would have amazing spacing with adequate defense and rebounding.

I'm not giving up on Jackson or even close to it but it feels a bit underwhelming to see all these other rookie SFs and PFs have big games while ours...isn't.

[Bogyo]

I still like him and I think he'll turn into a solid player eventually but damn Josh Jackson has been out played by many, many, players from his rookie class.

Simmons, Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen, Collins, Tatum, and even Fox & Smith Jr have all produced more for their respective squads than Jackson has for his thus far.

I really liked Markannen and would've loved to see a starting 5 of

James
Booker
Warren
Bender
Markannen

Bender would make up for Markannen's defensive shortcomings and we would have amazing spacing with adequate defense and rebounding.

I'm not giving up on Jackson or even close to it but it feels a bit underwhelming to see all these other rookie SFs and PFs have big games while ours...isn't.

All those players are in a different (and "better for stats") situation than JJ. Noone would have taken them at 4 with JJ on board.
We did the right thing, and it will turn out right, as he will be better overall player than most all of those guys. I'm positive.

[Saberestar]

I still like him and I think he'll turn into a solid player eventually but damn Josh Jackson has been out played by many, many, players from his rookie class.

Simmons, Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen, Collins, Tatum, and even Fox & Smith Jr have all produced more for their respective squads than Jackson has for his thus far.

I really liked Markannen and would've loved to see a starting 5 of

James
Booker
Warren
Bender
Markannen

Bender would make up for Markannen's defensive shortcomings and we would have amazing spacing with adequate defense and rebounding.

I'm not giving up on Jackson or even close to it but it feels a bit underwhelming to see all these other rookie SFs and PFs have big games while ours...isn't.

All those players are in a different (and "better for stats") situation than JJ. Noone would have taken them at 4 with JJ on board.
We did the right thing, and it will turn out right, as he will be better overall player than most all of those guys. I'm positive.

The only thing that bothers me is that McDonough probably promised to Jackson a big role on the team since day one. With Watson he was an starter and playing 30 mpg but with Triano he is just Warren's backup.

That can be a problem.

[Bogyo]

I still like him and I think he'll turn into a solid player eventually but damn Josh Jackson has been out played by many, many, players from his rookie class.

Simmons, Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen, Collins, Tatum, and even Fox & Smith Jr have all produced more for their respective squads than Jackson has for his thus far.

I really liked Markannen and would've loved to see a starting 5 of

James
Booker
Warren
Bender
Markannen

Bender would make up for Markannen's defensive shortcomings and we would have amazing spacing with adequate defense and rebounding.

I'm not giving up on Jackson or even close to it but it feels a bit underwhelming to see all these other rookie SFs and PFs have big games while ours...isn't.

All those players are in a different (and "better for stats") situation than JJ. Noone would have taken them at 4 with JJ on board.
We did the right thing, and it will turn out right, as he will be better overall player than most all of those guys. I'm positive.

The only thing that bothers me is that McDonough probably promised to Jackson a big role on the team since day one. With Watson he was an starter and playing 30 mpg but with Triano he is just Warren's backup.

That can be a problem.

True - but we got a couple of years to figure that out. If TJ proves that he is more than a 6th man of the year, JJ proves that he is all that what we've drafted him for, and they can't play the forward spots together, then we have to do something about it. But I feel that we got like 2 years for this.
Plus seeing how the league (and McD) works nowdays, one of them will be part of a package that brings back the "final" piece into our young, contending core in 1-2-3 years.

[JMac1]

I still like him and I think he'll turn into a solid player eventually but damn Josh Jackson has been out played by many, many, players from his rookie class.

Simmons, Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen, Collins, Tatum, and even Fox & Smith Jr have all produced more for their respective squads than Jackson has for his thus far.

I really liked Markannen and would've loved to see a starting 5 of

James
Booker
Warren
Bender
Markannen

Bender would make up for Markannen's defensive shortcomings and we would have amazing spacing with adequate defense and rebounding.

I'm not giving up on Jackson or even close to it but it feels a bit underwhelming to see all these other rookie SFs and PFs have big games while ours...isn't.

[King4Day]

I think that Asik will medically retire soon. So it would have been Ajinca +2 first (and maybe a half year of Asiks salary).
Not that it matters, becouse that deal is dead.

I have a feeling McD was offered this deal and was never interested. The picks are nice, but they are middling while taking back bad contracts. It would strangle our cap for next year at the very least.

[Bogyo]

I think that Asik will medically retire soon. So it would have been Ajinca +2 first (and maybe a half year of Asiks salary).
Not that it matters, becouse that deal is dead.

I have a feeling McD was offered this deal and was never interested. The picks are nice, but they are middling while taking back bad contracts. It would strangle our cap for next year at the very least.

Likely. But then again, he would have the same war chest than his mentor Danny in Boston, so I assume he looked at it.
3-4 (very) good young players on rookie contracts, and 4-5 extra first round picks in the next couple of years. That gets you a Kyrie type of player when you have a Horford/Brown/Gordon/Tatum...

[sunsfever68]

I'd be interested in taking fliers on Okafor and Hezonjia 1 of the 2 or maybe even both. 1 of the 2 could resurrect their careers here and be another super sub off the bench with Warren And Ulis.

[skywalker33]

What if we replace the Pelicans with the Nuggets?

1) Eric Bledsoe Reggie Jackson and Detroit's 1st Round Draft Pick.

2) Reggie Jackson (slight downgrade from Bledsoe) for Mundiay, Nuggets 1st Round Draft Pick and Kenneth Faried (76ers inquired about Faried, Plumlee and Monroe)

2A) Kenneth Faried (or Plumlee, whomever 76ers prefer) for Jahlil Okafor.

**********END RESULT**********

Phoenix Out: Eric Bledsoe

Phoenix In: Emmanuel Mundiay, Jahlil Okafor, Detroit's 2018 1st Round Draft Pick and Denver's 2018 1st Round Draft Pick

We keep what we like, and we package the rest for a player, or, to move up in the draft.

Hell, if Bucks are hell bent on getting rid of a contract and adding point guard depth, i know Mundiay hasnt lived up to his lottery pedigree, nor is he the point guard they desire, but his 11pts and 3 assist are on pace with Borgdan (not close in shooting, i know), but we could probably swing him for their late 1st round draft pick pick....Not sure if they will want us to take a bad contract?

Is Bledsoe for Jahlil Okafor and 3 1st Round Draft Picks (Denver; late teens, Pistons; low 20s, Bucks; high 20's) a better option?

Horrific for the Nuggets and an overvalue for Bledsoe.....It MUDIAY, not "Mundiay", he and Murray have shown to be become a nice 1-2 punch at PG for the Nuggets, no need for Jackson or Bledsoe for that matter.

Good call! uNtil he plays better his Name is Mud! However, 'It's Mudiay,' Not 'It Mudiay.' It's 'your days are grey,' Not 'you're days are grey.' I'm Not trying to be a stick N the Mud; I just want to make sure we're clear as Mud! ...but point well takeN!

If you thiNk it's a bad trade, you may be right. However, 'horrific' is probably a horrific word to describe this trade. ONe of the most commoN rumors was BleNdsoe for MuNdiay, FaNried aNd a 1st roud pick. While Reggie Jackso is Not quite as good as BledNose, I doN't thiNk he makes this trade for MudiNday horrific.]

Maybe you should do a bit of research yourself and see what Mudiay IS doing this year. He's averaging 12/3/3 on 39% shooting off the bench, shooting 45% from 3pt land. Here's a good read on our current PG situation: https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/11/3/16602478/stat-of-the-week-the-recent-success-of-jamal-murray-and-emmanuel-mudiay-denver-nuggets-eric-bledsoe

Jackson is producing better at 16/4/6 but he's doing that as a starter...and btw, he's paid 4X what Mudiay is being paid, is a malcontent and disruptive to his team chemistry !!! Call it what you will but it stinks regardless

[bwgood77]

I still like him and I think he'll turn into a solid player eventually but damn Josh Jackson has been out played by many, many, players from his rookie class.

Simmons, Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen, Collins, Tatum, and even Fox & Smith Jr have all produced more for their respective squads than Jackson has for his thus far.

I really liked Markannen and would've loved to see a starting 5 of

James
Booker
Warren
Bender
Markannen

Bender would make up for Markannen's defensive shortcomings and we would have amazing spacing with adequate defense and rebounding.

I'm not giving up on Jackson or even close to it but it feels a bit underwhelming to see all these other rookie SFs and PFs have big games while ours...isn't.

All those players are in a different (and "better for stats") situation than JJ. Noone would have taken them at 4 with JJ on board.
We did the right thing, and it will turn out right, as he will be better overall player than most all of those guys. I'm positive.

The only thing that bothers me is that McDonough probably promised to Jackson a big role on the team since day one. With Watson he was an starter and playing 30 mpg but with Triano he is just Warren's backup.

That can be a problem.

He's always had fire and emotion, but that doesn't mean he should be granted a starting role if Warren is playing that much better than him. If he is going to start, he needs to earn it. He is still usually getting plenty of minutes unless he gets in foul trouble like last game.

Even coming out of the draft, the DX write up about him said

"Jackson is much more of a wild card. An edgy, explosive, often emotional prospect with an erratic jumper and a mentality that straddles the border of intensity and instability, Jackson is a bit of an enigma. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/ ©DraftExpress"

That's likely just his personality whether starting or not. Sure he wants to be out on the floor and is not going to like being pulled out, but that's how you want your players to be within reason.

[NTB]

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[Saberestar]

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But he told him that he was not traded because we did not want him?

[jcsunsfan]

I think that Asik will medically retire soon. So it would have been Ajinca +2 first (and maybe a half year of Asiks salary).
Not that it matters, becouse that deal is dead.

Asiks salary stays on the books though, which is a problem, even if they don't actually have to pay it.

[gaspar]

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[thamadkant]

I still like him and I think he'll turn into a solid player eventually but damn Josh Jackson has been out played by many, many, players from his rookie class.

Simmons, Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen, Collins, Tatum, and even Fox & Smith Jr have all produced more for their respective squads than Jackson has for his thus far.

I really liked Markannen and would've loved to see a starting 5 of

James
Booker
Warren
Bender
Markannen

Bender would make up for Markannen's defensive shortcomings and we would have amazing spacing with adequate defense and rebounding.

I'm not giving up on Jackson or even close to it but it feels a bit underwhelming to see all these other rookie SFs and PFs have big games while ours...isn't.

Jackson has been better than most of those rookies listed. Stats wise Jackson will improve as the season goes on, right now Suns have too many players having their spotlight on them due to their freedom to shine. Jackson has looked better as a rookie than most of Suns youth in their first 10 games or so.

[thamadkant]

I really think Suns should be running Jackson more as a play maker, he's got nice vision and can break down defenses with his dribble.

Some will probably think its Warren that is affecting Jackson... But eye test wise it's the PGs that has affected Jackson the most. Ulis, Bledsoe and James are using him as a finisher... I think he's a play maker.

[Sunzgunz]

Horrific for the Nuggets and an overvalue for Bledsoe.....It MUDIAY, not "Mundiay", he and Murray have shown to be become a nice 1-2 punch at PG for the Nuggets, no need for Jackson or Bledsoe for that matter.

Good call! uNtil he plays better his Name is Mud! However, 'It's Mudiay,' Not 'It Mudiay.' It's 'your days are grey,' Not 'you're days are grey.' I'm Not trying to be a stick N the Mud; I just want to make sure we're clear as Mud! ...but point well takeN!

If you thiNk it's a bad trade, you may be right. However, 'horrific' is probably a horrific word to describe this trade. ONe of the most commoN rumors was BleNdsoe for MuNdiay, FaNried aNd a 1st roud pick. While Reggie Jackso is Not quite as good as BledNose, I doN't thiNk he makes this trade for MudiNday horrific.]

Maybe you should do a bit of research yourself and see what Mudiay IS doing this year. He's averaging 12/3/3 on 39% shooting off the bench, shooting 45% from 3pt land. Here's a good read on our current PG situation: https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/11/3/16602478/stat-of-the-week-the-recent-success-of-jamal-murray-and-emmanuel-mudiay-denver-nuggets-eric-bledsoe

Jackson is producing better at 16/4/6 but he's doing that as a starter...and btw, he's paid 4X what Mudiay is being paid, is a malcontent and disruptive to his team chemistry !!! Call it what you will but it stinks regardless

Research is SO overrated! Who wants to make a conclusion based on facts when you can create a hypothesis based on assumptions?

I got you, I think your missing my point though. I think you also missed were I called it wishful thinking?

Eric Bledsoe for Mundiay, a bad cotract and a 1st roud pick (obviously protected).

Questio: I didt make this rumor up, do you thik this is horrificm Borderlie horrific? Or just bad?

Btw, i would have take a flier o Mundiay eve before his recet play!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Good call! uNtil he plays better his Name is Mud! However, 'It's Mudiay,' Not 'It Mudiay.' It's 'your days are grey,' Not 'you're days are grey.' I'm Not trying to be a stick N the Mud; I just want to make sure we're clear as Mud! ...but point well takeN!

If you thiNk it's a bad trade, you may be right. However, 'horrific' is probably a horrific word to describe this trade. ONe of the most commoN rumors was BleNdsoe for MuNdiay, FaNried aNd a 1st roud pick. While Reggie Jackso is Not quite as good as BledNose, I doN't thiNk he makes this trade for MudiNday horrific.]

Maybe you should do a bit of research yourself and see what Mudiay IS doing this year. He's averaging 12/3/3 on 39% shooting off the bench, shooting 45% from 3pt land. Here's a good read on our current PG situation: https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/11/3/16602478/stat-of-the-week-the-recent-success-of-jamal-murray-and-emmanuel-mudiay-denver-nuggets-eric-bledsoe

Jackson is producing better at 16/4/6 but he's doing that as a starter...and btw, he's paid 4X what Mudiay is being paid, is a malcontent and disruptive to his team chemistry !!! Call it what you will but it stinks regardless

Research is SO overrated! Who wants to make a conclusion based on facts when you can create a hypothesis based on assumptions?

I got you, I think your missing my point though. I think you also missed were I called it wishful thinking?

Eric Bledsoe for Mundiay, a bad cotract and a 1st roud pick (obviously protected).

Questio: I didt make this rumor up, do you thik this is horrificm Borderlie horrific? Or just bad?

Btw, i would have take a flier o Mundiay eve before his recet play!

You are putting a straNge amout of effort into these posts.

[skywalker33]

Good call! uNtil he plays better his Name is Mud! However, 'It's Mudiay,' Not 'It Mudiay.' It's 'your days are grey,' Not 'you're days are grey.' I'm Not trying to be a stick N the Mud; I just want to make sure we're clear as Mud! ...but point well takeN!

If you thiNk it's a bad trade, you may be right. However, 'horrific' is probably a horrific word to describe this trade. ONe of the most commoN rumors was BleNdsoe for MuNdiay, FaNried aNd a 1st roud pick. While Reggie Jackso is Not quite as good as BledNose, I doN't thiNk he makes this trade for MudiNday horrific.]

Maybe you should do a bit of research yourself and see what Mudiay IS doing this year. He's averaging 12/3/3 on 39% shooting off the bench, shooting 45% from 3pt land. Here's a good read on our current PG situation: https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/11/3/16602478/stat-of-the-week-the-recent-success-of-jamal-murray-and-emmanuel-mudiay-denver-nuggets-eric-bledsoe

Jackson is producing better at 16/4/6 but he's doing that as a starter...and btw, he's paid 4X what Mudiay is being paid, is a malcontent and disruptive to his team chemistry !!! Call it what you will but it stinks regardless

Research is SO overrated! Who wants to make a conclusion based on facts when you can create a hypothesis based on assumptions?

I got you, I think your missing my point though. I think you also missed were I called it wishful thinking?

Eric Bledsoe for Mundiay, a bad cotract and a 1st roud pick (obviously protected).

Questio: I didt make this rumor up, do you thik this is horrificm Borderlie horrific? Or just bad?

Btw, i would have take a flier o Mundiay eve before his recet play!

Here's my view of the trade. First, with Mudiay and Murray for that matter playing well, we really don't have the need for a PG, whether it be Bledsoe or Jackson (UGGH !!). Both cost more and if we traded for either, they'd want to start over Murray which would hinder his development IMO. Realistically, we are no longer good trading partners or in need of a PG upgrade.

Secondly, seeing how much better PHX is playing without Bledsoe kinda raises red flags to me, would he affect the chemistry like he apparently has in PHX, plus he really hasn't made a big impact on the Suns since Dragic has left....

Last, you underestimate the value of Faried. While most of RealGMers see him as a bad contract (since when is $12M bad in this salary cap age ??) or a bad player, he is a high energy, impactful rebounder guy who's defense is improving. He is what he is, but Robert Horry was the same type of impact guy, just better off the bench than as a starter yet he had good value.

Call me a homer, but that's the way I see it. And thanks for notifying me of the Sig grammar, don't know why I never caught that.

[sunsbum]

Jackson will be a beast when he adds some weight and gets used to the speed of the NBA. He can already blow by anyone the league, not too concerned with him. Warren also doesn't have the best injury track record so JJ will get his time to shine eventually.

As far as Bledsoe goes, the Denver trades that dont include Juancho are complete trash. We need a distributor and/or defender. Bradley, French Frank, ect. I trust McD to get value out of Bledsoe...