NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

[Bogyo]

Is our top5 pick in danger I wonder?
Dallas, Sacramento, Atlanta, Chichago are trash... Pretty safe bottom 4 I say. We are on par with Brooklyn, Miami, LAL,NY and the Pelicans I think. Injuries and luck will decide?

Atlanta isn't that bad. They have mostly played competitive basketball. Sac and Dallas have been unexpectedly awful though. Dallas may improve under Carlisle though as the season goes along.

1-7 record, only win against Dallas in the season opener. Yes, they are that bad. They will not win 20 games this year - heck, might not win 16. (But this does not really matter in our draft position, we knew they would be worse than us even before season started.)
I agree with Dallas and Carlisle, but now we have Triano.

[Bogyo]

I hope Doncic is projected to go like 8th, where the Suns can take him.

There is no way in hell he goes outside of top5. I'd be surprised if he is not top3.
He is kicking butt in the euroleague, and the spanish league. Thats's the worlds no2 and no3 league, with lot's of very good (NBA experience/level) players and coaches in it. Yet the 18 year old kid is still dominating.

He averages 26 minutes, puts up 21,6 points with 50/40/90 shooting 6,8 reb 3,6 ast, 1,2 stl. Against grown men as an 18yr old. In the second most competitive league in the world. He will be an all-star in the NBA as well, I would be willing to bet on that.

[AtheJ415]

Yeah. There is no way on earth we are getting one of Doncic, Bagley, Porter, Ayton, Bamba outside of the top 6 absent a big injury. That is why getting one of those picks is imperative.

[bwgood77]

Yeah. There is no way on earth we are getting one of Doncic, Bagley, Porter, Ayton, Bamba outside of the top 6 absent a big injury. That is why getting one of those picks is imperative.

These guys haven't even played a college game yet. People can fall. Many consensus top picks have. Of course in that case they'd feel less special to get later. But sure, if they all live up to their high school hype, they should stick to consensus, but that rarely happens.

Doncic is the main sure thing. Bagley, Ayton and possibly Porter feel that way too, but you never know.

Anyway, I doubt we will finish bottom five as bad as some teams are unless we have some injuries. The Bulls, Hawks, Kings and Mavs almost seem like certainties to finish worse. And then a bunch of others could as well (Knicks, Nets, Lakers, possibly Pelicans if one of the bigs gets injured), etc.

Luckily the good thing is that there are so many teams in the east that are not great and not absolutely putrid like the Bulls, that they should win more against each other.

Chances are we may have to get lucky in the lottery. I mean right now, you'd have to bet that the first four will be some order of Ayton, Bagley, Doncic and Porter. #5 could be Bamba but also one of the other names sitting there or someone that breaks out.

[AtheJ415]

Yes. You technically never know, but to follow that logic the warriors could end up the worst team in the league and get the 1st pick. Also, those guys have played a college game--exhibitions have started.

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[AtheJ415]

Also, how are those teams certainties to finish worse after 8 games when those other guys aren't certainties to go top 5 based off their entire careers thus far?

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[sunsbg]

Looking good in highschool or an exhibition game doesn't mean you will become a franchise player. Randle was the next Webber, Wiggins - next LeBron, and so on.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Bottom 4 have only won 5 games in total so we may not have been able to crack that tank anyway. Hopefully there will be a tier gap and 27 wins could get 5th.

[AtheJ415]

Looking good in highschool or an exhibition game doesn't mean you will become a franchise player. Randle was the next Webber, Wiggins - next LeBron, and so on.

Obviously. Who is saying otherwise?

[sunsbg]

Looking good in highschool or an exhibition game doesn't mean you will become a franchise player. Randle was the next Webber, Wiggins - next LeBron, and so on.

Obviously. Who is saying otherwise?

Bold statements like 'There is no way on earth' and 'getting one of those picks is imperative' sound like you see them as can't miss franchise players already. You would probably have said the same about Labissiere.

For all the hype, Bagley has looked to me less than impressive in those exhibition games. Ayton has already red flags about motor/motivation, Bamba - not a modern center, Porter - looks legit(can't find a college debut), Doncic - most proven, but still many question his defense and atleticism. All I'm saying, there is always a chance someone drops or could be obtained in a trade.

[kennydorglas]

Just finished my 2018 spreadsheet with NBA draft hopefuls compared with former NBA draftees since 2011.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/196uW0x4VYvbvcihMMFn3YhQ2OLEsOYJQ5U2y93Kdt18/edit?usp=sharing

Players in orange = NBA draftees in his last elegibility year
Players in black = last year in college for NBA hopefuls.

[Mulhollanddrive]

My early season budget for draft position:

Write off Sacramento, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas as bottom 4.

Compete for next group of Brooklyn, Phoenix, Lakers, New York for 5th.

Depending on how the draft prospect tiers breakdown 5th or 8th may or may not matter, so having a look at previous years it would have landed in the same tier.

2015
1: Towns
2-3: Russell, Okafor
4-8: Porzingis, Hezonjna, Cauley-Stein, Mudiay, Johnson

2016
1: Simmons
2: Ingram
3-8: Brown, Bender, Dunn, Hield, Murray, Chriss.

2017:
1-2: Fultz, Ball
3-4: Tatum, Jackson
5-9: Fox, Isaac, Markkanen, Ntilikina, Smith

Also the obvious question is do these matter as apart from pick 1 history shows there's not much difference between pick 2 through 10 in terms of All Stars.

[ATTL]

Hey, maybe we'll get lucky in the lotto this year? (Lol yeah right)

[WeekapaugGroove]

Hey, maybe we'll get lucky in the lotto this year? (Lol yeah right)

Not sure why but I actually feel like they will luck out this year and jump up. Maybe I subconsciously believe the NBA actually does rig the lotto because if it did this would be the year they finally rig it for Phoenix to get Bagley or anyton and have the local or somewhat local star land here for a new arena push thats coming.



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[Mulhollanddrive]

On the Draft Board there's already discussion about Bagley not living up to the hype in pre-season games.

As long as we pick around 5-8 there's almost always future All-Stars still on the board and McDonough tends to do better when the pool opens up and he's not stuck to what's expected. EG. Booker and Warren were the best picks 5 through 14 in their drafts.

[In2ition]

They are right about Bagley not living up to the hype. He's missed a lot of shots close, but has been athletic enough to clean up his own misses. He's also turned the ball over a few times on the post entry pass, just fumbling the catch. I also don't think he's 6'11" , maybe 6'9" or 6'10" witbout the ideal length. He really hasn't looked like a top pick. His saving grace is that he's super athletic, can do pretty much everything(just not really well), and has an excellent motor. Kind of reminds me a bit of Myles Turner before the draft. There is a ton of potential, just not surefire plug n play superstar immediately. It's still early though, we'll see how the season goes.

[AtheJ415]

Looking good in highschool or an exhibition game doesn't mean you will become a franchise player. Randle was the next Webber, Wiggins - next LeBron, and so on.

Obviously. Who is saying otherwise?

Bold statements like 'There is no way on earth' and 'getting one of those picks is imperative' sound like you see them as can't miss franchise players already. You would probably have said the same about Labissiere.

For all the hype, Bagley has looked to me less than impressive in those exhibition games. Ayton has already red flags about motor/motivation, Bamba - not a modern center, Porter - looks legit(can't find a college debut), Doncic - most proven, but still many question his defense and atleticism. All I'm saying, there is always a chance someone drops or could be obtained in a trade.

Not really. Those statements just mean that they are seen as the clear top 5 of the draft. Being seen as a better prospect than others doesn't mean you are can't miss. I put top 6 because obviously somebody could jump up or a team could feel differently about a player or 2, but that isn't the same as saying they are can't miss players.

Also, I have never said the same about Skal. I was on the forum. Go look. I liked him as a later pick once his stock tanked since it took him a month to score in college, but never liked him as a top pick.

All I'm saying, is that while there is always a chance, simply thinking that makes any projection or conversation useless because if you are going to qualify anything by the "always a chance" criteria, then we might as well be open to the fact that the Suns are winning the NBA finals this year and Golden State is going to end up with the #1 pick. There may be a chance, but it isn't a good chance. Those 5 are seen above the others, and maybe somebody like Bridges or Robert Williams jumps into the conversation but the odds of both or any 2 jumping in are about as good as the odds of Phoenix making the playoffs this season.

[AtheJ415]

On the Draft Board there's already discussion about Bagley not living up to the hype in pre-season games.

As long as we pick around 5-8 there's almost always future All-Stars still on the board and McDonough tends to do better when the pool opens up and he's not stuck to what's expected. EG. Booker and Warren were the best picks 5 through 14 in their drafts.

The future all stars on the board at those picks are a factor of numbers. You have tons of players remaining so the math works out that way. We are much better off getting into the top 5 to maximize the odds of getting a future all star. This season, with what other teams did in the offseason, wins are not important. We aren't making the playoffs.

[DaleyBlind]

Would a Doncic/Booker backcourt?? Can Doncic play PG in the NBA??

[Jsbath]

Would a Doncic/Booker backcourt?? Can Doncic play PG in the NBA??

Hi, im from Spain and I saw many match of doncic and he cant play at pg, he play similar at Bogdanovic of Kings. He is slow for the pg. I dont draft he.


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