Booker or Kaminsky

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Booker or Kaminsky

Devin Booker this season and going forward
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Frank Kaminsky this season and going forward
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Devin Booker this season only
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Frank Kaminsky this season only
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#81 » by NotReady » Fri Nov 3, 2017 12:50 pm

ATTL wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
31to6 wrote:well one of those guys lit my team up for SEVENTY POINTS and the other looks like he sucks, so this isn't hard for me.


Didn't he score 70 and lose?


In NBA history, there have been 11 70 point games. 5 have come in losses.


Beyond that, saying "Sure, he scored 70, but did he win?!?!" might be a good comeback if you're comparing the guy to LeBron or Duncan or Shaq or even Gilbert Arenas or Damian Lillard or something. Saying that when you're comparing him to Frank Kaminsky? **** lol

I'm not even a huge Booker fan, but I'm still enjoying the comedy of the premise of this thread.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#82 » by TheXgasm » Fri Nov 3, 2017 5:59 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
31to6 wrote:well one of those guys lit my team up for SEVENTY POINTS and the other looks like he sucks, so this isn't hard for me.


Didn't he score 70 and lose?

in a blow out.


Exactly, and this is why the 70-pt game was trash. The NBA has a blowout almost every day, and this is why you see a ton of these crap 70 point games in those blowouts all the time, because it's super easy to score 70 in a blowout. It's a pretty common thing because it's all trash-time basketball and so even the worst NBA players have scored 70 (or at least 65!) in blowouts, it happens basically every freaking day and everyone needs to calm down about this trash chucker with the awful haircut and dumb name.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#83 » by HornetJail » Fri Nov 3, 2017 6:01 pm

Frank Kaminsky looks way better this season and I'm still going with Booker.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#84 » by NotReady » Fri Nov 3, 2017 6:05 pm

TheXgasm wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Didn't he score 70 and lose?

in a blow out.


Exactly, and this is why the 70-pt game was trash. The NBA has a blowout almost every day, and this is why you see a ton of 70 point games in those blowouts all the time, because it's super easy to score 70 in a blowout. It's a pretty common thing because it's all trash time basketball and so even the worst NBA players have scored 70 (or at least 65!) in blowouts, it happens basically every freaking day and everyone needs to calm down about this trash chucker with the awful haircut and dumb name.


That's the thing, maybe Kaminsky doesn't have a 70 point game YET, but at least his 60 point game came in a win. No? 50 point game? 40? 30? Still no? Well, at least his career high 27 point game came in a win.

Oh wait, that was a loss.

Well he's a rebounder so at least his 20 board game came in a win. No 20 rebound game? Okay well his 15 board game was a win. Oh that didn't happen?

At least his career high of 12 rebounds actually did come in a win.

Sorry to belabor the point but damn that line of argument is so absurd.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#85 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri Nov 3, 2017 8:56 pm

TheXgasm wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Didn't he score 70 and lose?

in a blow out.


Exactly, and this is why the 70-pt game was trash. The NBA has a blowout almost every day, and this is why you see a ton of these crap 70 point games in those blowouts all the time, because it's super easy to score 70 in a blowout. It's a pretty common thing because it's all trash-time basketball and so even the worst NBA players have scored 70 (or at least 65!) in blowouts, it happens basically every freaking day and everyone needs to calm down about this trash chucker with the awful haircut and dumb name.



I don't understand what you're arguing, that 70 point games happen very rarely? I mean Devin Booker got super hot, sure - but throwing saying he's better than Frank because of a one 70 point game is dumb because thats all it was - one really great game. It's as dumb as when people say Kobe Bryant > because he scored 81 points. There are other reasons in Devin Bookers favor than a total outlier game.

And the reason why it is worth noting it is a blow out because if you watch the game, it's really obvious that

A) The Celtics are barely trying, because it's a blow out.

B) Devin Booker is pretty much just hitting absurd shots that he would not be able to duplicate, hence why he's never done anything like that since. It's called getting hot.


Just because the statement isn't totally sucking Devin Booker's dick doesn't mean I am trying to tarnish his legacy here. He scored a 70 point points in a meaningless game, that really doesn't say much about how good Devin Booker was - because frankly, he wasn't a good player last year as are many players his age. Devin Booker has had a career high than many more other players, does that mean he's automatically better than anyone who's never scored 70 points - the whole "he dropped 70 points" is a really dumb point.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#86 » by bondom34 » Fri Nov 3, 2017 9:26 pm

Yeah I voted Booker and not for a moment did I think "He scored 70 in a game so hes better.". He 70 point thing is a poor argument for him.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#87 » by In2ition » Fri Nov 3, 2017 10:11 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
TheXgasm wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:in a blow out.


Exactly, and this is why the 70-pt game was trash. The NBA has a blowout almost every day, and this is why you see a ton of these crap 70 point games in those blowouts all the time, because it's super easy to score 70 in a blowout. It's a pretty common thing because it's all trash-time basketball and so even the worst NBA players have scored 70 (or at least 65!) in blowouts, it happens basically every freaking day and everyone needs to calm down about this trash chucker with the awful haircut and dumb name.



I don't understand what you're arguing, that 70 point games happen very rarely? I mean Devin Booker got super hot, sure - but throwing saying he's better than Frank because of a one 70 point game is dumb because thats all it was - one really great game. It's as dumb as when people say Kobe Bryant > because he scored 81 points. There are other reasons in Devin Bookers favor than a total outlier game.

And the reason why it is worth noting it is a blow out because if you watch the game, it's really obvious that

A) The Celtics are barely trying, because it's a blow out.

B) Devin Booker is pretty much just hitting absurd shots that he would not be able to duplicate, hence why he's never done anything like that since. It's called getting hot.


Just because the statement isn't totally sucking Devin Booker's dick doesn't mean I am trying to tarnish his legacy here. He scored a 70 point points in a meaningless game, that really doesn't say much about how good Devin Booker was - because frankly, he wasn't a good player last year as are many players his age. Devin Booker has had a career high than many more other players, does that mean he's automatically better than anyone who's never scored 70 points - the whole "he dropped 70 points" is a really dumb point.

While I agree with you on the premise that the 70 pt game is an outlier and shouldn't be a main reason that Booker is better than Kaminsky, I don't have the time to see if Kaminsky put together a stretch of 3 or 4 games that totaled 70 pts. I'm not going to totally dismiss it as trash or that it happens all the time or everyday. I'm sure that TheXgasm must have been heavy with sarcasm, but forgot to use the sarcasm font. Only in 2K do blowouts and 65+ pt games happen every day. In fact, only 2 times has a player scored 60 or more in a game last season and only done 6 times in the last 10 years.
To your 2 points:
A) Of course the Celtics were trying to stop Booker from putting big numbers on them. Everyone has an ego in the league, they cared. It didn't matter which "Defensive stopper" they put on him, Smart, Crowder, anyone. No one was stopping Booker that night, he was scoring at will in variety of ways.
B) Your premise that he can't hit the shots he was hitting again is absurd, since those shots are all in his arsenal and he uses them regularly. This is why he has scored at least 30 pts, 21 times before turning 21 yrs old. Also, you give proof that he can't do it because he hasn't done it since is laughable. How many games has there been since that game? How many current players, not just Booker, have hit 60 pts since? Nobody goes for that type of points regularly, and even the best players to ever play would be proud to be in the 60 pt club.
Booker wasn't as efficient last year, play as good of defense, get as many boards, or assist on as many scores as people who look at numbers think he should as a 20 yr old, but that didn't mean he was a bad player last year. Like I've said many times, Booker is far better this year and anyone saying otherwise is just parroting some nonsense and really don't know. What are realistic expectations for a 20 yr old 2nd year player that was thrust(probably prematurely) into the #1 scoring option on a team?
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#88 » by NotReady » Fri Nov 3, 2017 11:03 pm

bondom34 wrote:Yeah I voted Booker and not for a moment did I think "He scored 70 in a game so hes better.". He 70 point thing is a poor argument for him.


It is, but an even poorer argument against him is that the Suns lost that game.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#89 » by In2ition » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:29 pm

HoopsMalone wrote:Kaminsky with another huge game. As expected, the gap between Kaminsky and Booker is still gigantic this season.

Booker doesn't project well either... at some point we have to start looking at Booker's actual level of production and not just this "potential' everyone has randomly assigned him...

When does the All-Star push for Frank start? I'm wondering where you went. When is Frank going to push for a starting spot on his team?

Hey, Booker has had a couple tough games recently, so I thought Frank may have made up some ground.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#90 » by bondom34 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:33 pm

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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#91 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:40 pm

As a Wisconsin fan I'm obligated to love Frank Kaminsky and have unreasonable expectations of his overall potential, but really? Frank definitely has a skill set that any team could use as a floor-spacing 7-footer, but his rim-protection and rebounding (two things kinda important to playing C) leave a lot to be desired.

I don't think that Booker has any sort of superstar upside, but at his peak I imagine him to be a less-efficient, but more effective on-ball version of Klay Thompson, maybe a poor-man's Chris Mullin?. This isn't really all that close to me.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#92 » by HoopsMalone » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:37 pm

Frank hit a rough patch for a few games no doubt. He started off slow last year and still was better than Booker though.

Clifford has screwed our lineups up completely. Let's see if things get right now with Batum back.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#93 » by NotReady » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:48 pm

This is some Baghdad Bob/Trump level delusion. Might as well just post that the sky is red.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#94 » by In2ition » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:36 am

NotReady wrote:This is some Baghdad Bob/Trump level delusion. Might as well just post that the sky is red.

Haha, haven't heard that term in a long time.

Thinking that Frank is better than Devin is serious delusion. Hell, he could probably play center better than Frank.

Oh well, I hope that Frank gets better. I'm not a Kaminsky hater, but maybe I'm delusional because I think that Booker does has superstar potential. Of course I've seen him play way more than almost anyone else on here.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#95 » by In2ition » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:40 am

HoopsMalone wrote:Frank hit a rough patch for a few games no doubt. He started off slow last year and still was better than Booker though.

Clifford has screwed our lineups up completely. Let's see if things get right now with Batum back.

How was he better? This seems to me to be a ridiculous take of yours. In all seriousness, make your best case.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#96 » by In2ition » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:43 am

Ron Swanson wrote:As a Wisconsin fan I'm obligated to love Frank Kaminsky and have unreasonable expectations of his overall potential, but really? Frank definitely has a skill set that any team could use as a floor-spacing 7-footer, but his rim-protection and rebounding (two things kinda important to playing C) leave a lot to be desired.

I don't think that Booker has any sort of superstar upside, but at his peak I imagine him to be a less-efficient, but more effective on-ball version of Klay Thompson, maybe a poor-man's Chris Mullin?. This isn't really all that close to me.
What does it take to have superstar potential? What young sg in the league fullfills this criteria in your mind?
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#97 » by In2ition » Tue Dec 5, 2017 3:49 am

HoopsMalone wrote:Frank hit a rough patch for a few games no doubt. He started off slow last year and still was better than Booker though.

Clifford has screwed our lineups up completely. Let's see if things get right now with Batum back.

How's this going? Are you still doubling down on this comparison? Has Batum come back yet to help Frank take his game to the next level?
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#98 » by HoopsMalone » Tue Dec 5, 2017 5:50 am

No, Frank has fallen off a cliff this year I have no argument. Booker still sucks and is a worse defensive player than he is a good offensive one. Frank has just been garbage though
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#99 » by bondom34 » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:25 am

This thread aged well.

Also, Kaminsky rates out far worse overall via RPM (Booker a -0.70, Frank a -2.69). Frank is actually worse even in DRPM, which is odd for a big. His raw defensive on/off is well worse too.
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Re: Booker or Kaminsky 

Post#100 » by clyde21 » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:26 am

HoopsMalone wrote:No, Frank has fallen off a cliff this year I have no argument. Booker still sucks and is a worse defensive player than he is a good offensive one. Frank has just been garbage though


Averaging 24/4/4 as a 21-year-old. Okay buddy.
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