The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[SpeedyG]

I don't think Crabbe is a 20 ppg scorer. At least not yet. He just isn't a good enough of a creator to be that kind of guy.

I know everybody hates the mid-range game now, but Allen, Rip, Houston, etc made a living out of midrange shots. Right now with his shots (and CLV too), we need to find ways to get them going closer to the basket.

[Prokorov]

Can we not take what was a great conversation about Allen Crabbe and turn it into some criticism of Russell?

Can we not take what was a great conversation about Allen Crabbe and turn it into Joe Harris?

Dude got a lucky pay day when the salary cap jumped massively. You need to move on.

it wasnt lucky. it was a bad move by our GM. who has tried again and again to throw huge money at role players.

[Ror1997]

Yeah like how Marks was dumb enough to try and sign Tyler Johnson and Otto Porter. What a moron. Those guys are having terrible years. And Marks was the only person throwing huge contracts at role players 2 years ago. No other GM gave out over pays that year.

[Curns13]

Yeah like how Marks was dumb enough to try and sign Tyler Johnson and Otto Porter. What a moron. Those guys are having terrible years. And Marks was the only person throwing huge contracts at role players 2 years ago. No other GM gave out over pays that year.

I was just about to say how good Porter looks for the Wiz. If we had him here with that production, we’d be humming along. 18, 8 and 2 with 50% from 3 and a PER of 25. That was not a bullet dodged.

[Aussienet3]

Can we not take what was a great conversation about Allen Crabbe and turn it into some criticism of Russell?

Can we not take what was a great conversation about Allen Crabbe and turn it into Joe Harris?

Dude got a lucky pay day when the salary cap jumped massively. You need to move on.

it wasnt lucky. it was a bad move by our GM. who has tried again and again to throw huge money at role players.

Hence, He got lucky. No Cap Hike. No massive contracts available. It was timing. That's the contract part done and dusted. It's signed and it ain't changing. Deal with with it!

The trade is a different story. No matter what you say or think. We upgraded from nicholson. Pure and simple. I know tonight's game isn't a whole season. But your mate and Crabbe both played 20 plus minutes. I think that their individual stat line is what you can call the difference between these 2. Sure, Harris may go off if he get's on a roll. But if you give Crabbe 20 plus minutes you will get heaps more of tonights game stats than Harris would produce.

[moonpie]

Nice bounce back game from Crabbe. Do we re-insert him back into the starting lineup?

[kamaze]

AC is comfortable off the bench sign another point guard and start Dinwiddie.

[Paradise]

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[Prokorov]

Can we not take what was a great conversation about Allen Crabbe and turn it into Joe Harris?

Dude got a lucky pay day when the salary cap jumped massively. You need to move on.

it wasnt lucky. it was a bad move by our GM. who has tried again and again to throw huge money at role players.

Hence, He got lucky. No Cap Hike. No massive contracts available. It was timing. That's the contract part done and dusted. It's signed and it ain't changing. Deal with with it!

The trade is a different story. No matter what you say or think. We upgraded from nicholson. Pure and simple. I know tonight's game isn't a whole season. But your mate and Crabbe both played 20 plus minutes. I think that their individual stat line is what you can call the difference between these 2. Sure, Harris may go off if he get's on a roll. But if you give Crabbe 20 plus minutes you will get heaps more of tonights game stats than Harris would produce.

if you are going to be MIA and then come out of the woodwork anytime Crabbe has a good game, then we cant have a seirous discussion. crabbe played great. if he played half that well every game there would be no issue. but he hasnt. so far this sseaosn, not a big difference between harris and crabbe other then harris is shooting the ball better.

"forget the contract"

yeah that sounds nice and all but this isnt MLB. NBA has a salary cap. "upgrading from nicholson" really is a statement that ignores the CBA and shows no understanding of thow the leagues cap works. we could upgrade from alot of people by taking on horible contracts, doesnt make it a good idea.

Crabbe DOES get 20 minutes a night. he hasnt shown he can get us 17ppg on elite 3 point shooting with that volume.

you dump on harris. all he has done is shoot well and perform. his numbers are trending to again match crabbe year over year.

[Prokorov]

Yeah like how Marks was dumb enough to try and sign Tyler Johnson and Otto Porter. What a moron. Those guys are having terrible years. And Marks was the only person throwing huge contracts at role players 2 years ago. No other GM gave out over pays that year.

I was just about to say how good Porter looks for the Wiz. If we had him here with that production, we’d be humming along. 18, 8 and 2 with 50% from 3 and a PER of 25. That was not a bullet dodged.

Otto porter is playing well. but you cant ignore that he is one of the highest paid players in the league. 18/7 is great, but he is being paid like a top 15 player. if you swap porter for crabbe and say this is your nets team for the next 4 years are we some perrenial playoff team?

he maes 26.5 million per year. to put it in perspective, thats more then joe johnson was making here.

I liked tyler johnson. thats the one contract marks handed out in RFA i did like. and it wasnt paying all-star money

[Netaman]

I'll say it again, the Crabbe contract is not without comparisons to similar players. At the end of this season he will be owed $38M over 2 years. His 19M AAV is the 44th highest average cap hit per season, which means he is not being paid as an all star any more than these guys who have never made all star games are:

JJ Reddick - 23M (obviously a little inflated since it's 1 year)
Gallinari - 20.5M
Wes Matthews - 17.8M

After seeing him, due to his age/upside I'd rather have him than Reddick and Galinari, and don't think it's out of the question that his offensive production will eventually be similar to Matthews. He's already shown glimpses of improvement from last year, especially on D, and he's been restricted to 25 mpg (has yet to even hit 30 minutes). He has passed the eye test in terms of hitting tough shots and doing more than just catch and shoot, now it's all about how much consistency he develop over an extended season.

When he originally signed was he paid towards the high end of his comp range to encourage Portland to let him go? Yes. And like every 23 year old he was being paid on his potential to improve - which he is showing signs of. But dumping Nicholson's $20M which has a discounting value no matter how you quantify it. Portland stretched him and now he is taking up almost 3% of their cap for 5 years. Even minimally taking that $3M off of what Crabbe counts for needs to be part of the evaluation of the trade.

[steady]

Yeah like how Marks was dumb enough to try and sign Tyler Johnson and Otto Porter. What a moron. Those guys are having terrible years. And Marks was the only person throwing huge contracts at role players 2 years ago. No other GM gave out over pays that year.

I was just about to say how good Porter looks for the Wiz. If we had him here with that production, we’d be humming along. 18, 8 and 2 with 50% from 3 and a PER of 25. That was not a bullet dodged.

I think that was sarcasm from Ror.

[Ror1997]

Yeah like how Marks was dumb enough to try and sign Tyler Johnson and Otto Porter. What a moron. Those guys are having terrible years. And Marks was the only person throwing huge contracts at role players 2 years ago. No other GM gave out over pays that year.

I was just about to say how good Porter looks for the Wiz. If we had him here with that production, we’d be humming along. 18, 8 and 2 with 50% from 3 and a PER of 25. That was not a bullet dodged.

I think that was sarcasm from Ror.

Yeah, I was all for overpaying young RFA. We were going to be giving out big contracts either way. I'm glad we were giving the young players, who still had time to develop, these massive over pays. Not the 29 year old who's a finished product and is going to start declining. And the idea that Marks is dumb for handing out these over pays is ridiculous. People need to wake up and realize that the FA market in 2017 is drastically different than what it was 10 years ago. Crabbe had 4/70+ from the Nets and the Sixers, then the Blazers matched. That means 2 other teams were willing to make that commitment, not just Marks. Same thing with Porter. He had the 4/100 offer from the Nets and the Kings and when he signed the Wizards matched.

[Ror1997]

Yeah like how Marks was dumb enough to try and sign Tyler Johnson and Otto Porter. What a moron. Those guys are having terrible years. And Marks was the only person throwing huge contracts at role players 2 years ago. No other GM gave out over pays that year.

I was just about to say how good Porter looks for the Wiz. If we had him here with that production, we’d be humming along. 18, 8 and 2 with 50% from 3 and a PER of 25. That was not a bullet dodged.

Otto porter is playing well. but you cant ignore that he is one of the highest paid players in the league. 18/7 is great, but he is being paid like a top 15 player. if you swap porter for crabbe and say this is your nets team for the next 4 years are we some perrenial playoff team?

he maes 26.5 million per year. to put it in perspective, thats more then joe johnson was making here.

I liked tyler johnson. thats the one contract marks handed out in RFA i did like. and it wasnt paying all-star money

He's 24, He's a former #3 overall pick and He's locked up until He's 28. He's a legit 2 way player and a great 3 point shooter.

What's the problem with him making so much money? He deserves that contract....

Is a contract only good if the player is underpaid for his skillset? Would you rather have Jae Crowder than Otto Porter because Crowder has a team friendly contract even though Porter is the superior player?

[Curns13]

Yeah like how Marks was dumb enough to try and sign Tyler Johnson and Otto Porter. What a moron. Those guys are having terrible years. And Marks was the only person throwing huge contracts at role players 2 years ago. No other GM gave out over pays that year.

I was just about to say how good Porter looks for the Wiz. If we had him here with that production, we’d be humming along. 18, 8 and 2 with 50% from 3 and a PER of 25. That was not a bullet dodged.

I think that was sarcasm from Ror.

Yep, I was agreeing with his sarcasm.

[Aussienet3]

it wasnt lucky. it was a bad move by our GM. who has tried again and again to throw huge money at role players.

Hence, He got lucky. No Cap Hike. No massive contracts available. It was timing. That's the contract part done and dusted. It's signed and it ain't changing. Deal with with it!

The trade is a different story. No matter what you say or think. We upgraded from nicholson. Pure and simple. I know tonight's game isn't a whole season. But your mate and Crabbe both played 20 plus minutes. I think that their individual stat line is what you can call the difference between these 2. Sure, Harris may go off if he get's on a roll. But if you give Crabbe 20 plus minutes you will get heaps more of tonights game stats than Harris would produce.

if you are going to be MIA and then come out of the woodwork anytime Crabbe has a good game, then we cant have a seirous discussion. crabbe played great. if he played half that well every game there would be no issue. but he hasnt. so far this sseaosn, not a big difference between harris and crabbe other then harris is shooting the ball better.

"forget the contract"

yeah that sounds nice and all but this isnt MLB. NBA has a salary cap. "upgrading from nicholson" really is a statement that ignores the CBA and shows no understanding of thow the leagues cap works. we could upgrade from alot of people by taking on horible contracts, doesnt make it a good idea.

Crabbe DOES get 20 minutes a night. he hasnt shown he can get us 17ppg on elite 3 point shooting with that volume.

you dump on harris. all he has done is shoot well and perform. his numbers are trending to again match crabbe year over year.

Firstly I have never dumped on Harris. You dump on Crabbe relentlessly. I'm just providing a differing opinion. For the record I like both players. Especially ones like Harris that sign for minimum money and make good.

Secondly I have a pretty good understanding of the salary cap. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I like what Marks has done by getting teams to over pay for role players. (except Porter) But I truely believe in what goe's around comes around. Marks can't spend every off season ruining other clubs cap space because a time will come when he will need a solid done. Much like he done Houston a solid by offering that Euro big a rfa contract. But I digress.

Every GM worth his salt, with a gun pointed at their head, would take Crabbe over Harris every time.

[GoodDayLa]

Your projection and conjecture aren't honest takes dude.

"DLO has decided Demar Carrol is going to be his scoring sidekick"

"He's catch and shoot but DLo and DC are not looking to pass to him as the first or second option leaving him the 3rd or 4th option when paired with them"

" He believes DC is a reliable teammate because DC IS very reliable and shown himself to be very good for this team. "

^^^this is a outright B.S.

How do you know this? Are you in this kid's head? Are you in Carroll's head?

You are projecting your own assumptions and thoughts onto Russell and are trying to claim that is what he is thinking and doing. I can't begin to break down how warped that is, nevermind slanderous. That's why you're getting accused of trolling.

You also discount the fact that defenses aren't giving Crabbe any breathing room and Crabbe hasn't really been assertive in moving without the ball. Most of his shots are contested.

I'm entitled to say what I believe about player's mindset and thoughts. This is why these forums exists. However, I understand your point and I think if it makes you feel better, I can carefully preface everything I say with the words "in my opinion" just so there is no confusion even though I suspect everyone knows these are not facts but someone's thoughts about the situation.

To help avoid drama, I will state what I see in a more dry manner so certain forum members such as yourself are not distracted by those things and instead can focus on the discussion at hand.

[Prokorov]

I was just about to say how good Porter looks for the Wiz. If we had him here with that production, we’d be humming along. 18, 8 and 2 with 50% from 3 and a PER of 25. That was not a bullet dodged.

Otto porter is playing well. but you cant ignore that he is one of the highest paid players in the league. 18/7 is great, but he is being paid like a top 15 player. if you swap porter for crabbe and say this is your nets team for the next 4 years are we some perrenial playoff team?

he maes 26.5 million per year. to put it in perspective, thats more then joe johnson was making here.

I liked tyler johnson. thats the one contract marks handed out in RFA i did like. and it wasnt paying all-star money

He's 24, He's a former #3 overall pick and He's locked up until He's 28. He's a legit 2 way player and a great 3 point shooter.

What's the problem with him making so much money? He deserves that contract....

Is a contract only good if the player is underpaid for his skillset? Would you rather have Jae Crowder than Otto Porter because Crowder has a team friendly contract even though Porter is the superior player?

no but that is due to crowders age.

but i would 100% rather have say avery bradley then porter. defintely rather have bradley then crabbe

[Prokorov]

Every GM worth his salt, with a gun pointed at their head, would take Crabbe over Harris every time.

all things being equal? maybe. crabbe at 19M vs. harris at 1,5M? not close you take harris.

im still yet to see what crabbe does that harris does not. other then crabbe being 1 year ahead of him

[Ror1997]

Otto porter is playing well. but you cant ignore that he is one of the highest paid players in the league. 18/7 is great, but he is being paid like a top 15 player. if you swap porter for crabbe and say this is your nets team for the next 4 years are we some perrenial playoff team?

he maes 26.5 million per year. to put it in perspective, thats more then joe johnson was making here.

I liked tyler johnson. thats the one contract marks handed out in RFA i did like. and it wasnt paying all-star money

He's 24, He's a former #3 overall pick and He's locked up until He's 28. He's a legit 2 way player and a great 3 point shooter.

What's the problem with him making so much money? He deserves that contract....

Is a contract only good if the player is underpaid for his skillset? Would you rather have Jae Crowder than Otto Porter because Crowder has a team friendly contract even though Porter is the superior player?

no but that is due to crowders age.

but i would 100% rather have say avery bradley then porter. defintely rather have bradley then crabbe

And what about next year when He's a F/A? Hell be getting paid 25M by some team too. Then would you rather have Bradley or Porter? I would rather have Porter. He's better than Bradley is now and He's got more room to grow. Easy decision too.