What to do with all our wings when nic is back?

[Joest2003]

Bench Bacon.

Spot Duty Graham

MKG plays his usual 20-25

Play Monk much less esp when he's off.

Lamb goes back to normal role unless batum sucks back from injury

Not sure if that is sarcasm or not but I couldn't disagree anymore with this. Monk and Bacon need those minutes to develop. MKG has shown literally nothing to proove that he deserves to be pencilled in for 25mpg and Lamb is playing great, why would we want him to go back to "Normal"?

[HornetJail]

If all the wings still look good (i.e. Monk and Lamb play well often, and occasionally blow up for 20+, MKG gets back to playing his usual elite defense, Graham and Bacon continue to be serviceable all-around players, and Batum isn't dead, I am fully in favor of small ball, moving on from one of Frank or Marvin Williams to make room for MKG to play more than half of his minutes at the 4.

Dwight (30) / Zeller (18 + spot minutes at PF)
MKG and spot minutes for Zeller (24) / Frank or Marvin (24)
Batum (30) / Graham (10) / MKG (8)
Lamb (24) / Monk (12) / Bacon (12)
Kemba (36) / Monk (12)

If we are really opposed to making MKG play the 4, then
Dwight (30) / Zeller (18 + spot minutes at PF)
Marvin and spot minutes for Zeller (24) / Frank (24)
MKG (24) / Batum (24)
Batum (8) / Lamb (24) / Monk (12) / Bacon or Graham (spot minutes)
Kemba (36) / Monk (12)

At this point, I'm ignoring MCW and Stone because 1) they're injured and 2) the second unit is doing okay with Monk

[LofJ]

Bench Bacon.

Spot Duty Graham

MKG plays his usual 20-25

Play Monk much less esp when he's off.

Lamb goes back to normal role unless batum sucks back from injury

Not sure if that is sarcasm or not but I couldn't disagree anymore with this. Monk and Bacon need those minutes to develop. MKG has shown literally nothing to prove that he deserves to be penciled in for 25mpg and Lamb is playing great, why would we want him to go back to "Normal"?

You must have missed the Grizzlies game, his defense on Conley is why we won. A player than can guard positions 1-4 that isn't a complete dud on offense (he isn't) should play 20+ minutes a night. I really like Bacon and Graham but you're overrating them if you think either deserve minutes at the expense of MKG, Batum, and Lamb. If anyone needs to go to open up more minutes for the other guys it's Marvin.

[HornetJail]

Bench Bacon.

Spot Duty Graham

MKG plays his usual 20-25

Play Monk much less esp when he's off.

Lamb goes back to normal role unless batum sucks back from injury

Not sure if that is sarcasm or not but I couldn't disagree anymore with this. Monk and Bacon need those minutes to develop. MKG has shown literally nothing to proove that he deserves to be pencilled in for 25mpg and Lamb is playing great, why would we want him to go back to "Normal"?

I will never understand why people completely ignore defense just because of lack of range on a jump shot. Especially someone who has watched MKG for his entire career and has seen all the ways in which he impacts the game. Even if he never adds a semi-workable 3-point shot into his game, I think that MKG right now is worth every minute of that 25-30 minutes he typically gets. I can understand flexing his minutes a little bit- playing him less in games where we really need 3-4 shooters on the floor, and playing him more when there is a hot opponent that needs to be slowed down- but he should definitely be averaging 25-30 minutes a night.

[Braggins]

I dont understand everyone being so down on MKG. Hes barely even played yet and his defensive has been fantastic since hes returned. I think it looks like hes gotten back to his defensive level from before the injuries. Hes our second most valuable wing at worst and im still not convinced hes any less important than Batum. You absolutely need someone like MKG in the playoffs to harass the elite scorers and we have no one on the team who can even come close to replicating what he does on defense (Traveon is the closest). Hes probably still the last wing id want to trade.

I feel like people have become so enamored with outside shooting due to recent trends that they think its the only thing that matters.

Edit: Didnt realize someone already posted pretty much the exact same argument.

[JDR720]

Trade Marvin and move bacon or mkg to pf.

[chabber]

Marv, old as he is, is still currently more important in his role than MKG. He played fabulous defense on Aldridge last night and he’s the only big man we have that can do that while simultaneously stretching the floor.

I don’t think MKG will be playing PF while Cliff is the coach, because he likes his traditional lineups. Along with his injury history, he’s too short, too light and gets pushed around by large small forwards with little resistance. That would only work against tiny lineups like the heat and Celtics run where guys like Winslow are playing PF. I agree with whoever said it the other day, he’s better off using his strength and length advantages guarding smaller players like PGs.

I do value defensive players, but I love two way players even more. MKG has proven himself unreliable. When he did finish the season last year, it was pretty obvious he wasn’t close to the same player defensively. I’m just done giving him the benefit of the doubt. He shouldn’t be guaranteed a starter spot or 25 minutes a night if we have better lineup fits on the roster.

Currently I like him as a specialist for guarding PGs and Cliff likes to start him because he likes defenseive starters. His minutes are down, but I have no idea how this will play out when Nic comes back.

[chellis]

If all the wings still look good (i.e. Monk and Lamb play well often, and occasionally blow up for 20+, MKG gets back to playing his usual elite defense, Graham and Bacon continue to be serviceable all-around players, and Batum isn't dead, I am fully in favor of small ball, moving on from one of Frank or Marvin Williams to make room for MKG to play more than half of his minutes at the 4.

Dwight (30) / Zeller (18 + spot minutes at PF)
MKG and spot minutes for Zeller (24) / Frank or Marvin (24)
Batum (30) / Graham (10) / MKG (8)
Lamb (24) / Monk (12) / Bacon (12)
Kemba (36) / Monk (12)

If we are really opposed to making MKG play the 4, then
Dwight (30) / Zeller (18 + spot minutes at PF)
Marvin and spot minutes for Zeller (24) / Frank (24)
MKG (24) / Batum (24)
Batum (8) / Lamb (24) / Monk (12) / Bacon or Graham (spot minutes)
Kemba (36) / Monk (12)

At this point, I'm ignoring MCW and Stone because 1) they're injured and 2) the second unit is doing okay with Monk

Honestly like this idea a lot. If I’m moving on from either Marvin or Frank I may consider moving Frank depending on what his demands are for his rookie contract extension.

[SpearNMgicHelmt]

Too many players who deserve minutes. This is a good problem to have.

I like that we don't have anybody now where you cringe when they come in.

[catch20two]

Too many players who deserve minutes. This is a good problem to have.

I like that we don't have anybody now where you cringe when they come in.

Brace yourself for MCW.

[catch20two]

I can’t wait for Batum to come back so that we could have more quality depth on the floor at all times. Our 2nd unit has been our let down so far this season even though they’ve had their sparks. I don’t think it’s ideal to have Graham or Bacon playing meaningful minutes in the rotation on a regular basis if we want to be a 45-50 win team.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

MCW is a huge question mark. If he does end up being a good fit with Monk and the others then minutes really will get interesting.

[Joest2003]

Saw a interview from cliff where he pretty much answers all our questions. Says MKG and Nik will start when they are back. Also said Lamb will continue to get big minutes because he's playing good and wants it to continue. 1 thing that stood out is that he was saying how for Monk to start in the NBA he needs to become a 1 because he's just to small to guard SGs.

[Braggins]

I could see Graham getting pushed out of the rotation with in favor of MCW, now that he and MKG are healthy. I still think we should possibly opt for another wing instead of MCW once Batum is healthy since he'll be the defacto PG and MCW's shot still appears to be broken.

Edit: If Nic gets put directly into the starting lineup when he returns then that changes the situation with the 2nd unit. Rotation will probably be...

Kemba/MCW/Stone
Batum/Monk/Bacon
MKG/Lamb/Graham
Marv/Frank/JOB
Dwight/Cody

[catch20two]

Reality will come crashing back down to Earth like a fire breathing reddish yellow comet after you guys watch a few more games of MCW. He’s ass.

[Robot Rock]

1. Fire Clifford
2. Watch the Ws pile up

[Benjamin Linus]

told me go ahead switch the coach up and if they hate then let em hate and watch the Ws pile up

[Benjamin Linus]

What are you going to do with all those wings, all those wings that's on your team? My humps... I'm sorry I'm done