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[Merc_Porto]

Another awful perfomance by Ricky... The all Jazz team was awful but he was bad as well.

Snyder is making the same mistake as Thibs last year in the first 30 games or so by putting him in a corner... Even tought Rubio shooting problems are still there one thing isn't normal in a such a great passer like him, He had 1ast or less at half by the 3rd straight game.

That is crazy.

[Klomp]

Snyder is making the same mistake as Thibs last year in the first 30 games or so by putting him in a corner... Even tought Rubio shooting problems are still there one thing isn't normal in a such a great passer like him, He had 1ast or less at half by the 3rd straight game.

That is crazy.

I feel like it goes beyond coaching. Even when "Thibs put him in a corner" he still never had less than 3 assists in a game and had only five games with less than 5 assists. Already has 4 of those games this year.

[Merc_Porto]

Snyder is making the same mistake as Thibs last year in the first 30 games or so by putting him in a corner... Even tought Rubio shooting problems are still there one thing isn't normal in a such a great passer like him, He had 1ast or less at half by the 3rd straight game.

That is crazy.

I feel like it goes beyond coaching. Even when "Thibs put him in a corner" he still never had less than 3 assists in a game and had only five games with less than 5 assists. Already has 4 of those games this year.

Because he doesn't have scorers in that team.
He can't get easy assists, here he had Towns and Wiggins, even Lavine. And i remember when This had him in a corner he went a lot of games with less than 4, 3 assists at half.

That changed at middle of the season.

[walk with me]

lol two highly respected nba coaches are “using” ricky wrong. What a coincidence....

[Merc_Porto]

lol two highly respected nba coaches are “using” ricky wrong. What a coincidence....

Look, You can't argue with the fact that Rubio is a bad shooter or whatever, but the think you can't argue is that he's a great playmaker, passer...
So, when a player like him get's 1 ast or less at half for the 3rd straight game is because something is wrong.

I also understand he's not a player that you change your entire offense for, but if is to use him like this why they even traded for him ?

[PharmD]

Snyder is making the same mistake as Thibs last year in the first 30 games or so by putting him in a corner... Even tought Rubio shooting problems are still there one thing isn't normal in a such a great passer like him, He had 1ast or less at half by the 3rd straight game.

That is crazy.

I feel like it goes beyond coaching. Even when "Thibs put him in a corner" he still never had less than 3 assists in a game and had only five games with less than 5 assists. Already has 4 of those games this year.

Yeah, i don't know what the Jazz should do. Nothing works, no space. They have no athletes to run the floor, nobody that can create their own shot, nobody that can score in postups. There's no reason to leave any spotted up shooters.

Rubio-Gobert pick and rolls have chance to work as you can just switch them. Rubio can't iso against the big and Gobert can't postup a point guard.

[walk with me]

lol two highly respected nba coaches are “using” ricky wrong. What a coincidence....

Look, You can't argue with the fact that Rubio is a bad shooter or whatever, but the think you can't argue is that he's a great playmaker, passer...
So, when a player like him get's 1 ast or less at half for the 3rd straight game is because something is wrong.

I also understand he's not a player that you change your entire offense for, but if is to use him like this why they even traded for him ?

It’s unreasonable to change your entire roster and playing style for Teague as you said. They traded for him cause it gave them the opportunity to get a budget pg in a year they lost Hayward and George Hill. Even if Hayward stayed it saves the team money.

And truth be told that okc pick isn’t that valuable.

[Merc_Porto]

lol two highly respected nba coaches are “using” ricky wrong. What a coincidence....

Look, You can't argue with the fact that Rubio is a bad shooter or whatever, but the think you can't argue is that he's a great playmaker, passer...
So, when a player like him get's 1 ast or less at half for the 3rd straight game is because something is wrong.

I also understand he's not a player that you change your entire offense for, but if is to use him like this why they even traded for him ?

It’s unreasonable to change your entire roster and playing style for Teague as you said. They traded for him cause it gave them the opportunity to get a budget pg in a year they lost Hayward and George Hill. Even if Hayward stayed it saves the team money.

You don't give a first round pick just to "save" money.

[walk with me]

Look, You can't argue with the fact that Rubio is a bad shooter or whatever, but the think you can't argue is that he's a great playmaker, passer...
So, when a player like him get's 1 ast or less at half for the 3rd straight game is because something is wrong.

I also understand he's not a player that you change your entire offense for, but if is to use him like this why they even traded for him ?

It’s unreasonable to change your entire roster and playing style for Teague as you said. They traded for him cause it gave them the opportunity to get a budget pg in a year they lost Hayward and George Hill. Even if Hayward stayed it saves the team money.

You don't give a first round pick just to "save" money.

I just edited in that pick isn’t that worth that much. Ultimately it would be a major over achieve if they locked a playoff spot this season so they’ll likely end up with a pick around what they traded to us. But with a more ready player in Rubio. If Rubio works out you can resign him. If not you have like 13-17m to spend in free agency once he departs.

Picks don’t mean that much in this era. Look at the teams that have had high picks recently and where they end up

-76ers
-lakers
-kings
-pelicans
-wolves
-knicks

These teams have had a bunch of picks recently and haven’t been anywhere near a successful foundation. 76ers are the closest thing.

We’re in the building now because of the small fa moved thibs made. Without that, the wolves are another non playoff team.

[Merc_Porto]

I just edited in that pick isn’t that worth that much. Ultimately it would be a major over achieve if they locked a playoff spot this season so they’ll likely end up with a pick around what they traded to us. But with a more ready player in Rubio. If Rubio works out you can resign him. If not you have like 13-17m to spend in free agency once he departs.

1st round picks are always valuable.
And we more than anyone should know that after that stupid Payne trade.
When they traded for Rubio they still had in mind Gordon Hayward. And with GH they are easily a top-5 team in the west.

But that doesn't matter either because the pick is from OKC, so we most likely are going to have a first round pick between 15-25. That is valuable.

[walk with me]

I just edited in that pick isn’t that worth that much. Ultimately it would be a major over achieve if they locked a playoff spot this season so they’ll likely end up with a pick around what they traded to us. But with a more ready player in Rubio. If Rubio works out you can resign him. If not you have like 13-17m to spend in free agency once he departs.

1st round picks are always valuable.
And we more than anyone should know that after that stupid Payne trade.
When they traded for Rubio they still had in mind Gordon Hayward. And with GH they are easily a top-5 team in the west.

But that doesn't matter either because the pick is from OKC, so we most likely are going to have a first round pick between 15-25. That is valuable.

It’s not though. Maybe in the 90s and early 00s. 90% of the first round in the late 10s are 19 years - 20 year olds. A lot of these guys don’t have any idea what they’re doing until their 3rd or 4th year. It’s a waste of time waiting for their development. Jazz realize this so they’d have rather given Rubio a 2 year tryout while either having Hayward and fighting for a 6-8 seed or losing Hayward and being a non playoff team.

[Merc_Porto]

I just edited in that pick isn’t that worth that much. Ultimately it would be a major over achieve if they locked a playoff spot this season so they’ll likely end up with a pick around what they traded to us. But with a more ready player in Rubio. If Rubio works out you can resign him. If not you have like 13-17m to spend in free agency once he departs.

1st round picks are always valuable.
And we more than anyone should know that after that stupid Payne trade.
When they traded for Rubio they still had in mind Gordon Hayward. And with GH they are easily a top-5 team in the west.

But that doesn't matter either because the pick is from OKC, so we most likely are going to have a first round pick between 15-25. That is valuable.

It’s not though. Maybe in the 90s and early 00s. 90% of the first round in the late 10s are 19 years - 20 year olds. A lot of these guys don’t have any idea what they’re doing until their 3rd or 4th year. It’s a waste of time waiting for their development. Jazz realize this so they’d have rather given Rubio a 2 year tryout while either having Hayward and fighting for a 6-8 seed or losing Hayward and being a non playoff team.

6-8 with Hayward and that defense ? Nahhhhhh.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.
Or you believe in Rubio or you don't trade a first round to save money or/and to just tryout Rubio for 2 years... The Jazz just got a steal in the draft with Donovan Mitchell at #13, the Lakers with Kuzma at #27 and the list goes on and on...

[_AIJ_]

I thought he was a great +/- guy? -23 tonight. Ouch.

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[Worm Guts]

I thought he was a great +/- guy? -23 tonight. Ouch.

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Looking at +\- in individual games is not useful. I’m not sure why people have started to push that.

[_AIJ_]

I thought he was a great +/- guy? -23 tonight. Ouch.

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Looking at +\- in individual games is not useful. I’m not sure why people have started to push that.

Well, a lot of people here keeps saying that stat that he always makes teammates better when hes on the floor

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[walk with me]

1st round picks are always valuable.
And we more than anyone should know that after that stupid Payne trade.
When they traded for Rubio they still had in mind Gordon Hayward. And with GH they are easily a top-5 team in the west.

But that doesn't matter either because the pick is from OKC, so we most likely are going to have a first round pick between 15-25. That is valuable.

It’s not though. Maybe in the 90s and early 00s. 90% of the first round in the late 10s are 19 years - 20 year olds. A lot of these guys don’t have any idea what they’re doing until their 3rd or 4th year. It’s a waste of time waiting for their development. Jazz realize this so they’d have rather given Rubio a 2 year tryout while either having Hayward and fighting for a 6-8 seed or losing Hayward and being a non playoff team.

6-8 with Hayward and that defense ? Nahhhhhh.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.
Or you believe in Rubio or you don't trade a first round to save money or/and to just tryout Rubio for 2 years... The Jazz just got a steal in the draft with Donovan Mitchell at #13, the Lakers with Kuzma at #27 and the list goes on and on...

Keep in mind the West got better

Okc
Wolves
Clippers
Denver

All improved

Warriors
Houston
Spurs

Locked in as the top 3

Portland
New Orleans
And Utah on the outside looking in.

And they probably belong in that first group but still that first group is better then the jazz.

[Worm Guts]

I thought he was a great +/- guy? -23 tonight. Ouch.

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Looking at +\- in individual games is not useful. I’m not sure why people have started to push that.

Well, a lot of people here keeps saying that stat that he always makes teammates better when hes on the floor

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He does

[_AIJ_]

Looking at +\- in individual games is not useful. I’m not sure why people have started to push that.

Well, a lot of people here keeps saying that stat that he always makes teammates better when hes on the floor

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He does

Cool

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[Merc_Porto]

It’s not though. Maybe in the 90s and early 00s. 90% of the first round in the late 10s are 19 years - 20 year olds. A lot of these guys don’t have any idea what they’re doing until their 3rd or 4th year. It’s a waste of time waiting for their development. Jazz realize this so they’d have rather given Rubio a 2 year tryout while either having Hayward and fighting for a 6-8 seed or losing Hayward and being a non playoff team.

6-8 with Hayward and that defense ? Nahhhhhh.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.
Or you believe in Rubio or you don't trade a first round to save money or/and to just tryout Rubio for 2 years... The Jazz just got a steal in the draft with Donovan Mitchell at #13, the Lakers with Kuzma at #27 and the list goes on and on...

Keep in mind the West got better

Okc
Wolves
Clippers
Denver

All improved

Warriors
Houston
Spurs

Locked in as the top 3

Portland
New Orleans
And Utah on the outside looking in.

And they probably belong in that first group but still that first group is better then the jazz.

They went to semi finals last season with 51 wins in the regular season with a lot of injuries.
And they also got better IMO
Rubio > Hill, i know you disagree.
Udoh, Sefolosha, Donovan Mitchell, that was great additions.

And the Clippers didn't improved at all.
Portland is the same.

You can't go wrong with the Jazz defense. The problem is that they don't a lot of scoring now, Not having Gordon Hayward makes all the difference. Although i believe they still are going to win between 40-45 games, that is how good that defense is (not today tought) especially at home in Utah.