Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[Simmons25]

All these rookies playing out of their minds and Fultz is not playing.

Could be a lot worse. He could be playing...... and playing like Lonzo.

[Ericb5]

Coming from a critic of Fultz, I'm now optimistic about him.

Offensively: He looks more explosive than he did at Washington. He got to where he wanted to go on the court when he was out there. Attacked the rim at a 33% clip and finished at an excellent 66.7% rate.

Defensively: His deflection stats translated from college right away and is oozing defensive potential. Obviously he'll need to grow and mature as a team defender and learn the nuance of playing consistent D at the NBA level. But so far, so decent for a 19 year old.

I like what I see on the basketball court. A little concerned with the immaturity and lack of professional readiness, though.

Agreed.

Defensively and IQ wise I think he looked better than advertised. He just needs to heal and then round back into form with his shot. I think he will have an impact on our team.


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[76ciology]

There are 12 players in the 2017 draft that have earned 20 minute roles as a rookie. Of those 12, only 4 (John Collins, Kyle Kuzma, Jayson Tatum and Lauri Markkanen) have generated positive value. Another 2 (Lonzo Ball and Dillon Brooks) of those 12 are neutral value generators.

There's not much going on around the league to warrant being envious, IMO. Unless you're enamored with Kuz and Lauri balling in stretch four roles.

What can you say about Kuz?

Anyway regarding Lauri, I like how the Bulls are using him with RoLo's rolling to the basket that acts as a gravity for a good shot for Lauri. Lauri also is lethal on pick and pop and attacking close outs or whenever defenders switched on him. That between Kuz and Lauri, I have Lauri having higher upside. Lauri has very good scoring upside given with his on vs off net ORtg, around 60TS%.and different scoring styles.

For some strange reason, I find Kuz similar to Jordan Clarkson, that they're impressive as rookies due to their age but I do think they have limited upsides that will make them likely to settle into role player roles.

Not saying they suck, but I dont buy into the Kuz hype than what LAL fans seems to have. And I do think most of the Kuz hype is to comfort them that they have a guy who is drafted with the same tier of Tatum, for now.

[76ciology]

Coming from a critic of Fultz, I'm now optimistic about him.

Offensively: He looks more explosive than he did at Washington. He got to where he wanted to go on the court when he was out there. Attacked the rim at a 33% clip and finished at an excellent 66.7% rate.

Defensively: His deflection stats translated from college right away and is oozing defensive potential. Obviously he'll need to grow and mature as a team defender and learn the nuance of playing consistent D at the NBA level. But so far, so decent for a 19 year old.

I like what I see on the basketball court. A little concerned with the immaturity and lack of professional readiness, though.

Agreed.

Defensively and IQ wise I think he looked better than advertised. He just needs to heal and then round back into form with his shot. I think he will have an impact on our team.


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Fultz was promising he's like IOS 11 when it first released that was full of bugs. Haha

[Unbreakable99]

All these rookies playing out of their minds and Fultz is not playing.

Could be a lot worse. He could be playing...... and playing like Lonzo.

You say that as if that’s a negative. Lonzo is playing just fine. He a top ten rookie so far pretty easily.

[mithrandir17]

All these rookies playing out of their minds and Fultz is not playing.

Could be a lot worse. He could be playing...... and playing like Lonzo.

You say that as if that’s a negative. Lonzo is playing just fine. He a top ten rookie so far pretty easily.

Lonzo is shooting 29.9 FG%, 23.4 3FG%, 53.8 FT%. If that stat makes you a top ten rookie, it means your rookie class is bad.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I'm operating under the assumption that Fultz will not play another game this season. If he does, all the better.

That's pretty much what I'm gonna do with any injury this team has going forward that isn't some bump or bruise.

[Unbreakable99]

Could be a lot worse. He could be playing...... and playing like Lonzo.

You say that as if that’s a negative. Lonzo is playing just fine. He a top ten rookie so far pretty easily.

Lonzo is shooting 29.9 FG%, 23.4 3FG%, 53.8 FT%. If that stat makes you a top ten rookie, it means your rookie class is bad.

Last week cbs sports ranked Lonzo 7th among rookies in the rookie ladder. So yes he’s definitely in the top ten.

[CoreyGallagher]

Could be a lot worse. He could be playing...... and playing like Lonzo.

You say that as if that’s a negative. Lonzo is playing just fine. He a top ten rookie so far pretty easily.

Lonzo is shooting 29.9 FG%, 23.4 3FG%, 53.8 FT%. If that stat makes you a top ten rookie, it means your rookie class is bad.

Even his raw stats aren’t as impressive as they once were, and they’re trending downward. 8.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 6.7 apg.

If rebounding is that much more important than scoring efficiency then we’ll know what kept Vazquez and Marshall from making it.

[Mik317]

Fultz got lit up when he was playing like **** but now suddenly, oh that doesn't matter when it come to my rookie of choice.

clownshoes

[mithrandir17]

You say that as if that’s a negative. Lonzo is playing just fine. He a top ten rookie so far pretty easily.

Lonzo is shooting 29.9 FG%, 23.4 3FG%, 53.8 FT%. If that stat makes you a top ten rookie, it means your rookie class is bad.

Last week cbs sports ranked Lonzo 7th among rookies in the rookie ladder. So yes he’s definitely in the top ten.

I'll just say this. Even MCW did not shoot that bad in his rookie year.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I assume they're just working on getting his form back to where it was during summer league.

[Simmons25]

You say that as if that’s a negative. Lonzo is playing just fine. He a top ten rookie so far pretty easily.

Lonzo is shooting 29.9 FG%, 23.4 3FG%, 53.8 FT%. If that stat makes you a top ten rookie, it means your rookie class is bad.

Even his raw stats aren’t as impressive as they once were, and they’re trending downward. 8.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 6.7 apg.

If rebounding is that much more important than scoring efficiency then we’ll know what kept Vazquez and Marshall from making it.

Take away the Suns debacle where they basically threw the game to get their coach fired and inflated Lonzo's awful stats... and 9 of his 10 games look like this.

6.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg, 6.6 apg
Shooting 20.9 FG% 18.4% 3PT

Yikes. Some other interesting facts.

* Lonzo has is 3rd in most attempts from the field at the Lakers.
* Lonzo 1st in most 3 point attempts
* Lonzo is only 7th in scoring on the Lakers even though he has the most minutes played
* Lonzo is 14th in FG% at the Lakers, beating only Zubac in 15th place who has played only 2 minutes for the entire season.
* Lonzo has failed to score above 9 points in 8 of his 10 games... whilst being on court the most.

And if you want to compare it to probably one of the worst top 2 picks to ever play the game... in their first season.

Anthony Bennett 4.2 PPG, 35 FG% and 24 3PT%.

Lonzo is tracking to actually be worse than Anthony Bennett was as a scorer.

[Unbreakable99]

Lonzo is shooting 29.9 FG%, 23.4 3FG%, 53.8 FT%. If that stat makes you a top ten rookie, it means your rookie class is bad.

Even his raw stats aren’t as impressive as they once were, and they’re trending downward. 8.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 6.7 apg.

If rebounding is that much more important than scoring efficiency then we’ll know what kept Vazquez and Marshall from making it.

Take away the Suns debacle where they basically threw the game to get their coach fired and inflated Lonzo's awful stats... and 9 of his 10 games look like this.

6.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg, 6.6 apg
Shooting 20.9 FG% 18.4% 3PT

Yikes. Some other interesting facts.

* Lonzo has is 3rd in most attempts from the field at the Lakers.
* Lonzo 1st in most 3 point attempts
* Lonzo is only 7th in scoring on the Lakers even though he has the most minutes played
* Lonzo is 14th in FG% at the Lakers, beating only Zubac in 15th place who has played only 2 minutes for the entire season.
* Lonzo has failed to score above 9 points in 8 of his 10 games... whilst being on court the most.

And if you want to compare it to probably one of the worst top 2 picks to ever play the game... in their first season.

Anthony Bennett 4.2 PPG, 35 FG% and 24 3PT%.

Lonzo is tracking to actually be worse than Anthony Bennett was as a scorer.

Scoring wasn’t Lonzo’s main thing that made him special. He’s also learning a new system. All his life he pushed it up the court and he excelled at UCLA doing that. The Lakers aren’t playing to his strengths and he’s still playing well.

[OleSchool]

Even his raw stats aren’t as impressive as they once were, and they’re trending downward. 8.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 6.7 apg.

If rebounding is that much more important than scoring efficiency then we’ll know what kept Vazquez and Marshall from making it.

Take away the Suns debacle where they basically threw the game to get their coach fired and inflated Lonzo's awful stats... and 9 of his 10 games look like this.

6.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg, 6.6 apg
Shooting 20.9 FG% 18.4% 3PT

Yikes. Some other interesting facts.

* Lonzo has is 3rd in most attempts from the field at the Lakers.
* Lonzo 1st in most 3 point attempts
* Lonzo is only 7th in scoring on the Lakers even though he has the most minutes played
* Lonzo is 14th in FG% at the Lakers, beating only Zubac in 15th place who has played only 2 minutes for the entire season.
* Lonzo has failed to score above 9 points in 8 of his 10 games... whilst being on court the most.

And if you want to compare it to probably one of the worst top 2 picks to ever play the game... in their first season.

Anthony Bennett 4.2 PPG, 35 FG% and 24 3PT%.

Lonzo is tracking to actually be worse than Anthony Bennett was as a scorer.

Scoring wasn’t Lonzo’s main thing that made him special. He’s also learning a new system. All his life he pushed it up the court and he excelled at UCLA doing that. The Lakers aren’t playing to his strengths and he’s still playing well.

Oh just stop it. Ball stinks right now and probably will until he reworks that shot

[Sasashi]

Even his raw stats aren’t as impressive as they once were, and they’re trending downward. 8.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 6.7 apg.

If rebounding is that much more important than scoring efficiency then we’ll know what kept Vazquez and Marshall from making it.

Take away the Suns debacle where they basically threw the game to get their coach fired and inflated Lonzo's awful stats... and 9 of his 10 games look like this.

6.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg, 6.6 apg
Shooting 20.9 FG% 18.4% 3PT

Yikes. Some other interesting facts.

* Lonzo has is 3rd in most attempts from the field at the Lakers.
* Lonzo 1st in most 3 point attempts
* Lonzo is only 7th in scoring on the Lakers even though he has the most minutes played
* Lonzo is 14th in FG% at the Lakers, beating only Zubac in 15th place who has played only 2 minutes for the entire season.
* Lonzo has failed to score above 9 points in 8 of his 10 games... whilst being on court the most.

And if you want to compare it to probably one of the worst top 2 picks to ever play the game... in their first season.

Anthony Bennett 4.2 PPG, 35 FG% and 24 3PT%.

Lonzo is tracking to actually be worse than Anthony Bennett was as a scorer.

Scoring wasn’t Lonzo’s main thing that made him special. He’s also learning a new system. All his life he pushed it up the court and he excelled at UCLA doing that. The Lakers aren’t playing to his strengths and he’s still playing well.

Stop defending Ball just because you thought he was the best in this rookie class. A lot of people thought his shooting form was going to affect him, but even those people didn't think he would be THIS bad scoring wise. Stop making excuses and face the music. Unless Ball improves his shooting, his ceiling is a role player. You said he was a can't miss superstar and he will make everyone on his team better instantly, etc etc. It's pretty safe to say he is not that. Superstars usually FLASH in their rookie years even if the system they play isn't tailor made for them or the players around them are suspect. And the Lakers as a whole are better than expected. Kuzma and Lopez have played well and Brandon Ingram is starting to look decent and their bench is quite good as well. It's not the 2014 sixers Lonzo is playing for.

You bash Colangelo for trading up, which is not an unreasonable claim, but you would have selected Ball at 3, and think about how Ball would look like in philly. Doesn't handle the ball and will ultimately play off ball and wait for passes from Simmons and shoot 29 % from the field.

He is a good passer, and a good rebounder.....undeniable.But if his scoring ability improves only marginally, he will be an underwhelming 2nd pick and is a bench player on a winning team. Probably a bench player on an average team.

[Sixerscan]

You say that as if that’s a negative. Lonzo is playing just fine. He a top ten rookie so far pretty easily.

Lonzo is shooting 29.9 FG%, 23.4 3FG%, 53.8 FT%. If that stat makes you a top ten rookie, it means your rookie class is bad.

Last week cbs sports ranked Lonzo 7th among rookies in the rookie ladder. So yes he’s definitely in the top ten.

This may shock you but the NBA exists beyond the 2017 draft class.

[James40]

Even his raw stats aren’t as impressive as they once were, and they’re trending downward. 8.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 6.7 apg.

If rebounding is that much more important than scoring efficiency then we’ll know what kept Vazquez and Marshall from making it.

Take away the Suns debacle where they basically threw the game to get their coach fired and inflated Lonzo's awful stats... and 9 of his 10 games look like this.

6.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg, 6.6 apg
Shooting 20.9 FG% 18.4% 3PT

Yikes. Some other interesting facts.

* Lonzo has is 3rd in most attempts from the field at the Lakers.
* Lonzo 1st in most 3 point attempts
* Lonzo is only 7th in scoring on the Lakers even though he has the most minutes played
* Lonzo is 14th in FG% at the Lakers, beating only Zubac in 15th place who has played only 2 minutes for the entire season.
* Lonzo has failed to score above 9 points in 8 of his 10 games... whilst being on court the most.

And if you want to compare it to probably one of the worst top 2 picks to ever play the game... in their first season.

Anthony Bennett 4.2 PPG, 35 FG% and 24 3PT%.

Lonzo is tracking to actually be worse than Anthony Bennett was as a scorer.

Scoring wasn’t Lonzo’s main thing that made him special. He’s also learning a new system. All his life he pushed it up the court and he excelled at UCLA doing that. The Lakers aren’t playing to his strengths and he’s still playing well.

This isn’t football it’s basketball, not much to learn but putting the ball through the hoop.

He may turn out to be a good player but right now he stinks.

[mithrandir17]

Even his raw stats aren’t as impressive as they once were, and they’re trending downward. 8.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 6.7 apg.

If rebounding is that much more important than scoring efficiency then we’ll know what kept Vazquez and Marshall from making it.

Take away the Suns debacle where they basically threw the game to get their coach fired and inflated Lonzo's awful stats... and 9 of his 10 games look like this.

6.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg, 6.6 apg
Shooting 20.9 FG% 18.4% 3PT

Yikes. Some other interesting facts.

* Lonzo has is 3rd in most attempts from the field at the Lakers.
* Lonzo 1st in most 3 point attempts
* Lonzo is only 7th in scoring on the Lakers even though he has the most minutes played
* Lonzo is 14th in FG% at the Lakers, beating only Zubac in 15th place who has played only 2 minutes for the entire season.
* Lonzo has failed to score above 9 points in 8 of his 10 games... whilst being on court the most.

And if you want to compare it to probably one of the worst top 2 picks to ever play the game... in their first season.

Anthony Bennett 4.2 PPG, 35 FG% and 24 3PT%.

Lonzo is tracking to actually be worse than Anthony Bennett was as a scorer.

Scoring wasn’t Lonzo’s main thing that made him special. He’s also learning a new system. All his life he pushed it up the court and he excelled at UCLA doing that. The Lakers aren’t playing to his strengths and he’s still playing well.

You mean all his life he was taught to cherry pick the defense by throwing full court passes?

[76ciology]

There's this very very little chance im afraid with that Fultz shoulder is a very serious problem and has been troubling him for years. Thus if you look at the evolution of his shot mechanics there's a big change from HS to college to SL and to the pro league. But I believe in science. So no structural damage as what the the findings say