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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#181 » by Book1Nation » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:15 pm

DRK wrote:With Chandler, Len, Monroe, Alan Williams, on the roster, McD is far from done


Chandler is like 57 years old, Len and Monroe could both leave this offseason and Williams would be returning from a season ending injury and before that was, at best, a backup C who can't play defense.

I'm not sure we should be counting on any of them for anything.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#182 » by PhxSunsFan13 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:17 pm

This is about as good as a return as we could have expected to be honest. We get an expiring contract, a first round pick that will most likely end up in the high teens, maybe low 20's and a second rounder. I'm not upset with this by any means because I have concerns about Bled's injury history as well.
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Post#183 » by Saberestar » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:17 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#184 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:18 pm

So we have 7 picks this draft with 2 roster spots.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#185 » by Book1Nation » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:26 pm

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This is good news, I think.

"Uniquely protected" could be something like lottery protected, but also 20-30 protected. So we'd only get the pick if it's between 15-19.

My hope is it's something like that, but if we don't get the pick it goes to an unprotected 2019 1st.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#186 » by Foliohattu » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:27 pm

Combine picks to move up, draft and stash and 2 G-league two-way conctracts, It won't be a problem.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#187 » by King4Day » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:27 pm

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Gam wrote:I hope you guys treat Moose right, he's a good guy and plays hard. And if you want someone for your young Cs to learn post moves from, there's nobody better. I think this trade is a win-win for both teams. And thank you very much for Bledsoe I think he's going to be a wonderful fit for us.


Lol...jackass kicking sand in our face. After the past 10 years, we are immune to insults, so you'll have to win a championship to get your jollies, because it won't be from us jumping off the bridge. Actually you should teach us how to handle disappointment for 30 years in a row, like you guys have since the Maurice Lucas days, it looks like we are headed were you have resided since eternity.


Maybe I'm reading his post wrong but I see no malicious intent by what he said. Especially knowing that trolling/baiting will get him banned.

I think a lot of Suns fans just need to blow off steam. When we heard about the rumored 3 way deal, that should have been enough to tell us the return wasn't going to be Brogdon or Parker or anyone special.
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Post#188 » by Book1Nation » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:29 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#189 » by Son of Ra » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:31 pm

I would have rather let him rot at home tbh. Why not just hold on to him. He has two years left on the deal. Lesson learnt now is "you want out of here, make it public"
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#190 » by King4Day » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:31 pm

Bucks got a B-

Phoenix Suns: C

Because contracts aren't always zero-sum, getting Monroe doesn't help the Suns as much as it hurts the Bucks. Surely, Phoenix demanded Monroe instead of one of Milwaukee's longer-term deals once the Bucks weren't willing to include Brogdon or Parker (or multiple first-round picks). Still, unless the Suns can get off one of their other long-term deals, they've created only marginal cap space (an estimated $13 million or so, pending the Milwaukee pick) for the summer of 2018 by trading Bledsoe for an expiring contract.

The summer of 2019, when Tyson Chandler and Jared Dudley come off the books, remains a better time for Phoenix to get active in free agency. For now, the team will have to hope that space can be used to add additional draft picks (or young talent) by taking on salary from teams that need to clear cap room or are ducking the luxury tax.

The Suns could also maximize their return for Bledsoe by shipping Monroe to a third team prior to the deadline. He could have some value as a quality player on an expiring contract between now and February, though the market for centers is limited right now. Moving Monroe early could also help Phoenix clear a roster spot to convert starting point guard Mike James' two-way contract into an NBA deal without waiving second-year wing Derrick Jones.


Pending those additional moves, this return for Bledsoe has to be considered something of a disappointment. Consider that the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Ricky Rubio last summer for a first-round pick and no salary in return. Rubio's value surely wasn't as high as Bledsoe's at the time, and while the first-rounder the Timberwolves got no longer looks as good as Milwaukee's because the Oklahoma City Thunder subsequently added Paul George and Carmelo Anthony, Minnesota got huge benefit from clearing enough cap space to sign Jeff Teague and Taj Gibson as free agents.

Last summer was surely the time to move Bledsoe, whose unhappiness on a losing team was predictable -- particularly after the Suns sat him out after last year's trade deadline to pursue a better pick. Bringing Bledsoe back, and subsequently sending him home after his apparent subtweet, did nothing to improve his trade value.

Given that situation, Phoenix probably did as well as could be expected. The market was unlikely to move dramatically between now and the trade deadline unless a huge injury created a need for a point guard. At least this way the Suns get to move on with an additional draft pick in hand.


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#191 » by Foliohattu » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:33 pm

Son of Ra wrote:I would have rather let him rot at home tbh. Why not just hold on to him. He has two years left on the deal. Lesson learnt now is "you want out of here, make it public"
We don't have enough talent to waste assets trying to teach a lesson to a player.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#192 » by Sreister » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:34 pm

Son of Ra wrote:I would have rather let him rot at home tbh. Why not just hold on to him. He has two years left on the deal. Lesson learnt now is "you want out of here, make it public"


Yeah, because everyone in the league doesn't already hate us.. We're a PR nightmare right now, why would we do that? :banghead:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#193 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:34 pm

This hypothetical team that wouldn't even make playoffs:

Thomas, Lavine, Crowder, Sabonis, Kanter
Dunn, Oladipo, Hield, Monroe, Zizic
Evans, McDermott, Galloway

3 x 1st
1 x Pick Swap
1 x 2nd

Could have turned into Bledsoe, Irving, Butler, George, Anthony, Cousins.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#194 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:36 pm

carey wrote:McDonough messed up. He should have at least waited until December 15th. There was no need to rush. Especially if you're not taking back a player that can help right now.


As a Bucks fan, two things to note on this trade:

a) Despite the gripes, Monroe's big juicy $18mm expiring IS an asset if you play it correctly. This deal needed to be done now in order to allow Monroe to be on the roster for 90 days thus allowing you guys to flip him to the Lakers (or a different team) at the trade deadline on February 8th.

b) We still don't know the protection on the first round pick. Might be helpful for the Suns. Let's see.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#195 » by bhawk » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:37 pm

Like everyone here, I wish the return would have been better for Bledsoe. But the reality is that he was NOT worth more than what we received. If the market (another team) would have offered us more, McD would have executed a better trade. It is simple.

I personally think that this trade was fair value, considering that there is a MAD surplus of good point guards in the league. Bledsoe is good, not great. He is NOT a special player. He is damaged goods with his knees and his contractual (agent) baggage.

Our package is comparable to a what the Kings received for a much more talented player -- Boogie.

Let's all move on past the Bledsoe era. Let's celebrate the growth of our core players and look forward to building through the next several drafts. I like the Suns #timeline and the future is bright.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#196 » by TheXgasm » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:38 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#197 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:40 pm

Well looks to be an unprotected pick!


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Post#198 » by King4Day » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:40 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#199 » by King4Day » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:41 pm

So looks more likely we'll have it in 2020.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#200 » by Saberestar » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:41 pm

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Well, that's a decent pick. Good to know.

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