Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[TeamTragic]

I guess we aren't keeping Monroe. Are we going to package him in a major trade?

[lilfishi22]

Greg Monroe is better than any of our bigs and on a 1 year deal. What's the problem?

Because what's the point? What he'll achieve this year will be meaningless anyway once he expires

The point is we got rid of a 2 year for a 1 year as well as 2 draft picks.. you know Bledsoe was sitting home collecting free money right? Not only that but we get a chance to see Monroe up close for an entire season, its not like hes a bad player. Who knows. Maybe he fits in here.

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

[lilfishi22]

So we made a trade for a player we didn't want in the hopes of making another trade to recoup some value?

Classic McDoesn'tEverLearn move right there.

There isn't a single team in the NBA that needs a expiring contract right now. The best player we could even hope to get back in return for Monroe is Ryan Anderson or Allen Crabbe, and there's no way either of those trade happen.

Realistically we're about to flip Monroe for Moe Harkless and Meyers Leonard, Solomon Hill and Omer Asik, or some equally unpalatable combo and a pick in the 20s. Then the McDefenders on this board will say "at least he preserved some value." Then we'll destroy those anything that's left of those players value because we, once again, will have an unbalanced roster where we're constantly struggling to get our 39 draft picks minutes while simultaneously having to play the vets to keep their trade value high. It's a never ending cycle.

The best we can hope for is for Greg to stay in Phoenix so salary is low this offseason and someone makes Sarver an offer he can't refuse. This franchise has gone from NBA cornerstone to complete dumpster fire in the last decade and change and it's pretty obvious why.

This is honestly insane to watch. We're one of the worst 5 professional sports franchises in America right now.

I wish I could argue against what you've posted.

[sunsbum]

Because what's the point? What he'll achieve this year will be meaningless anyway once he expires

We are in a tough spot at the center position until Williams comes back. None of Len/Monroe/Chandler are here for the long haul. Williams should have been getting the lion's share of minutes but that won't be happening until late March.

Giving up Bledsoe to plug a temporary hole is such a waste of an asset.

I'd rather we throw as many minutes at Len as possible as a last look to decide if he's a goner this offseason or if he's worth retaining. Adding Monroe adds depth but I don't see him sticking around either. The other roblem is I don't think there's much of a trade market for Monroe and I think Bucks did very well giving up not a whole lot for Bledsoe. We probably won't see those picks for a while.

yea len needs at least 4 more seasons.

[bwgood77]

Because what's the point? What he'll achieve this year will be meaningless anyway once he expires

The point is we got rid of a 2 year for a 1 year as well as 2 draft picks.. you know Bledsoe was sitting home collecting free money right? Not only that but we get a chance to see Monroe up close for an entire season, its not like hes a bad player. Who knows. Maybe he fits in here.

Signing him to anything over vet minimum beyond this season is horrendous. He is an average player, and a big at that, meaning signing him to what he will likely get puts us out of max range. Maxing out somebody who is actually worth the max and maintaining that flexibility is way more valuable than him.

There are not that many players that become free agents and are worth max contracts and are not really old in the next two summers. In 2019 it's mostly shooting guards, unless you think a guy like Durant or Leonard is leaving. So Butler (probably not leaving..loves playing for Thibs), Thompson, Middleton.

Whiteside may be one of the other few worth consideration (assuming all RFA's will be matched or stay with current team). Kyrie of course is a free agent too.

It won't shock me if he throws a bunch of money at Avery Bradley to pair with Booker in the back court. Brogdon is also a RFA in 2019. He's not worth a max but the Bucks might be hard pressed to keep him if they are keeping Bledsoe.

[sunsbum]

Because what's the point? What he'll achieve this year will be meaningless anyway once he expires

The point is we got rid of a 2 year for a 1 year as well as 2 draft picks.. you know Bledsoe was sitting home collecting free money right? Not only that but we get a chance to see Monroe up close for an entire season, its not like hes a bad player. Who knows. Maybe he fits in here.

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

Yes, because there was no better deal OBVIOUSLY.

[Mulhollanddrive]

What if we had taken Henson and Teletovic as salary dumps could we have gotten 2 firsts?

Bledsoe, Toronto 2nd, Memphis 2nd for Henson, Teletovic, 2018 1st, 2020 1st.

The Monroe preference suggests we'd rather cap space so not looking to take back any more bad contracts.

[darealjuice]

I just wish we knew what was actually offered. It’s easy to talk about how **** of value we got, but in the end who even wanted him? Denver supposedly did, but they also were trying to keep Murray and Mudiay off he table. Bucks obviously did, but they clearly weren’t budging on Thon or Brogdon. Bledsoe’s a good player when he cares, but trading for him is also betting against the biennial knee injuries that have plagued his career. If anything is clear, it’s that teams really value their picks now.

[Mr Puddles]

Am I the only one who is not disappointed by this trade? The pick has reverse protection assuring us that at least in 2018/2019 we will not end up with a late first rounder.

Wasn't the Nuggets rumor on draft night Arthur + pick number 10? This trade could very well turn out to be similar or better than that offer.

[Sunzgunz]

The point is we got rid of a 2 year for a 1 year as well as 2 draft picks.. you know Bledsoe was sitting home collecting free money right? Not only that but we get a chance to see Monroe up close for an entire season, its not like hes a bad player. Who knows. Maybe he fits in here.

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

Yes, because there was no better deal OBVIOUSLY.

Ok, ill be the first to admit im posting under the influence, i read this several times, so i believe, 2 mid 1st rounders? Did we flip Monroe already?

[thamadkant]

Monroe plus 2 First Round Picks (Heat 2018, Bucks 2020)

for

[thamadkant]

I would keep Monroe and trade Chandler... offer Monroe a contract, make him the double double inside scorer Suns need...

[AtheJ415]

The problem with including Monroe in trades is that we simply lose the cap flexibility we just got. I am not opposed to trading that flexibility for a bunch of picks if a team is willing to do it, but we would need a hell of a lot more back to take on a lot of dead salary. Guys like Randle, etc. about to hit RFA who are likely going to be overpaid are not interesting to me. Sure things who will and are worth the max are. My worry is Deandre gets targetted. I think he will be overpaid despite being a damn good player. Hopefully Bledsoe poisons that well.

[lilfishi22]

We are in a tough spot at the center position until Williams comes back. None of Len/Monroe/Chandler are here for the long haul. Williams should have been getting the lion's share of minutes but that won't be happening until late March.

Giving up Bledsoe to plug a temporary hole is such a waste of an asset.

I'd rather we throw as many minutes at Len as possible as a last look to decide if he's a goner this offseason or if he's worth retaining. Adding Monroe adds depth but I don't see him sticking around either. The other roblem is I don't think there's much of a trade market for Monroe and I think Bucks did very well giving up not a whole lot for Bledsoe. We probably won't see those picks for a while.

yea len needs at least 4 more seasons.

Who said anything about giving Len 4 more seasons?

[lilfishi22]

The point is we got rid of a 2 year for a 1 year as well as 2 draft picks.. you know Bledsoe was sitting home collecting free money right? Not only that but we get a chance to see Monroe up close for an entire season, its not like hes a bad player. Who knows. Maybe he fits in here.

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

Yes, because there was no better deal OBVIOUSLY.

Then you hold off until the landscape changes

[NTB]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21333075/phoenix-suns-prefer-trade-greg-monroe-rather-buy-out

Monroe, 27, doesn't fit into the Suns' long-term rebuilding plans, and he likely would prefer to join a contending team as a free agent to increase his value on his way into the summer marketplace. Talks could eventually come on a contract buyout, and it's unlikely that he would remain in Phoenix beyond the February trading deadline -- leaving either by buyout or trade.

The possibility of a contract buyout could give the Suns freedom to be creative with an open roster spot. Before Dec. 6, the Suns need a spot to convert the two-way contract of productive rookie guard Mike James into a regular roster spot. Also, an open roster spot would give the Suns the chance to become involved in trade talks with Philadelphia 76ers center Jahlil Okafor, a 21-year old former No. 3 overall pick with whom the Suns have had interest, league sources said.

Monroe averaged a career-low 6.8 points and five rebounds in limited minutes for the Bucks this season. For his career, which has included a stop in Detroit, he has averaged 14.8 points and 8.7 rebounds.

Monroe's ability to play power forward and center gives him some versatility on the offensive end that is attractive to teams.

[bwgood77]

Am I the only one who is not disappointed by this trade? The pick has reverse protection assuring us that at least in 2018/2019 we will not end up with a late first rounder.

Wasn't the Nuggets rumor on draft night Arthur + pick number 10? This trade could very well turn out to be similar or better than that offer.

It was Mudiay and 13 IIRC, and we probably would have had to take Arthur, but not sure, because maybe they could absorb the difference in salary before signing Millsap.

I'm not disappointed either. Obviously I would have loved Brogdon or Ntilikina or something but I knew that was extremely far fetched. No one is banging down the door to trade for an injury prone pg who will demand $30 million in 2 summers (probably already demanding the extension right now, actually).

[AtheJ415]

I would keep Monroe and trade Chandler... offer Monroe a contract, make him the double double inside scorer Suns need...

We don't need that imo, and actually Len can already be that for us in his more limited and focused role. Teams are not trending that way. They are trending towards outside in ball, and we already have a guy who can post up in Booker to get a bucket in the post. Same for Jackson actually in college.

The future of this team is Booker, Jackson, Warren, and Bender right now.

Booker, Jackson, and Bender have length and playmaking. Bender I think ends up our 4 or 5 depending on who we draft this year. I think Booker could end up our 1 if we end up with a non-big like Doncic or Porter, which is okay because Jackson can guard 1s so that Booker can be our Harden.

Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bagley/Ayton/Bamba with Bender at the other big spot depending on which one we get
Bender

or

Booker
Doncic
Jackson (or Porter at 3 with Jackson a 2 if we get him and not Doncic)
Chriss
Bender

with Warren becoming 6th man.

Ulis, maybe James, DJJ, whoever we pick with the Miami pick as the bench guards.
I don't know who ends up left as the bench bigs, but it will likely be Sauce, maybe Len, and Chriss depending on the lineup above, or maybe we draft a project big with the MI pick, or try to max out Cousins if Bled doesn't kill us there and then Chriss goes to the bench.

I think the offense needs more general playmaking to set up others and not playmaking to score one on one. We actually have capable playmakers skillwise relative to their positions in Booker, Jackson, Bender. We just need to continue to develop them and get Booker into the Harden mindset instead of this utter and incessant and misguided demand he be Kobe. Harden is so much more valuable than Kobe on the offensive end and Booker's skillset matches Harden's better even if his numbers mirror Kobe's.

[lilfishi22]

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

Yes, because there was no better deal OBVIOUSLY.

Ok, ill be the first to admit im posting under the influence, i read this several times, so i believe, 2 mid 1st rounders? Did we flip Monroe already?

No but either he walks for nothing, we pay him or by some miracle we turn him into something useful through a trade.

[bwgood77]

Because what's the point? What he'll achieve this year will be meaningless anyway once he expires

The point is we got rid of a 2 year for a 1 year as well as 2 draft picks.. you know Bledsoe was sitting home collecting free money right? Not only that but we get a chance to see Monroe up close for an entire season, its not like hes a bad player. Who knows. Maybe he fits in here.

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

If you're upset that we got two mid firsts and Monroe for Bledsoe than you're going to be really upset to realize we only got one first.