Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[AtheJ415]

Because what's the point? What he'll achieve this year will be meaningless anyway once he expires

We are in a tough spot at the center position until Williams comes back. None of Len/Monroe/Chandler are here for the long haul. Williams should have been getting the lion's share of minutes but that won't be happening until late March.

Giving up Bledsoe to plug a temporary hole is such a waste of an asset.

I'd rather we throw as many minutes at Len as possible as a last look to decide if he's a goner this offseason or if he's worth retaining. Adding Monroe adds depth but I don't see him sticking around either. The other roblem is I don't think there's much of a trade market for Monroe and I think Bucks did very well giving up not a whole lot for Bledsoe. We probably won't see those picks for a while.

Monroe was not acquired to plug a temporary hole. He was acquired because he is expiring. i don't understand why people here seem to think the FO wants to win. Is it because of what Sarver told the team? I mean, what's he supposed to tell the players prior to the year starting? Aim for a top pick and half ass it? He said what he has to publicly.

The FO and ownership this offseason made it damn clear what their goal was. Otherwise we probably are sitting on a $30+ mil Paul Milsap debacle. That didn't magically change before the season. We fired Earl because we were losing in a **** crazy manner that had no semblance of pro ball and that wouldn't develop the youth. We can't lose that way, but it doesn't mean the FO necessarily is trying to put us in the best position to win this season. The West is going to end up brutal and we simply don't and have no means of acquiring the horses to contend unless you want to do something crazy like move Booker and Jackson and Bender for vets. Lose this year. Get the pick. Accumulate additional picks. Get the last piece in the draft or by bundling those for a team in cap hell or with their own disgruntles guy (Porzingis, or maybe somehow Jokic if Denver ends up bombing and would rather have tons of picks for some reason). That is how you get to sustainable contention, and despite the bad PR from aging ungrateful guards who are upset with the direction of the team despite knowing the players on it and signing here simply because we offered them the best money and opportunity and then changing their minds later, I believe a ton of the youth in this league would want to team up with Booker. I think Bender, with his passing, may end up a guy others want to play with too.

[lilfishi22]

The point is we got rid of a 2 year for a 1 year as well as 2 draft picks.. you know Bledsoe was sitting home collecting free money right? Not only that but we get a chance to see Monroe up close for an entire season, its not like hes a bad player. Who knows. Maybe he fits in here.

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

If you're upset that we got two mid firsts and Monroe for Bledsoe than you're going to be really upset to realize we only got one first.

Yeah I realised when I was doing more research. I thought it was 2 weirdly protected picks. That second won't even convey if it's not between 31-47. Anything past 48 and it's protected and doesn't convey. We'll probably get that second but that protection is a real kick in the nuts on the way out of the negotiating room.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Woj says it's unlikely he stays past the deadline and we didn't even have a plan for Monroe once we got him he was just included to match salaries similar to Humphries in the Morris trade.

[ryanball]

Am I the only one who is not disappointed by this trade? The pick has reverse protection assuring us that at least in 2018/2019 we will not end up with a late first rounder.

I'm fine with the trade too.

The thing is Bledsoe was just not that good. Easily he ranks in the bottom half of NBA starting point guards, maybe even bottom third. Then you add his injury history, his ridiculous agent, and the fact that the Suns play as well or better without him.

Its why we couldn't get the Irving trade without including Jackson.

In the end we get a somewhat decent pick, take on no long-term contracts, and shed an unhappy, unwanted and cancerous player. Can't expect a much better resolution to this situation.

[lilfishi22]

We are in a tough spot at the center position until Williams comes back. None of Len/Monroe/Chandler are here for the long haul. Williams should have been getting the lion's share of minutes but that won't be happening until late March.

Giving up Bledsoe to plug a temporary hole is such a waste of an asset.

I'd rather we throw as many minutes at Len as possible as a last look to decide if he's a goner this offseason or if he's worth retaining. Adding Monroe adds depth but I don't see him sticking around either. The other roblem is I don't think there's much of a trade market for Monroe and I think Bucks did very well giving up not a whole lot for Bledsoe. We probably won't see those picks for a while.

Monroe was not acquired to plug a temporary hole. He was acquired because he is expiring. i don't understand why people here seem to think the FO wants to win. Is it because of what Sarver told the team? I mean, what's he supposed to tell the players prior to the year starting? Aim for a top pick and half ass it? He said what he has to publicly.

I know. Just saying that the narrative that he was brought in to cover our bigs until Williams is back is a silly one.

[OGBAH]

Monroe for Drummond strait up works in trade machine.
Just saying

[lilfishi22]

Am I the only one who is not disappointed by this trade? The pick has reverse protection assuring us that at least in 2018/2019 we will not end up with a late first rounder.

I'm fine with the trade too.

The thing is Bledsoe was just not that good. Easily he ranks in the bottom half of NBA starting point guards, maybe even bottom third. Then you add his injury history, his ridiculous agent, and the fact that the Suns play as well or better without him.

Its why we couldn't get the Irving trade without including Jackson.

In the end we get a somewhat decent pick, take on no long-term contracts, and shed an unhappy, unwanted and cancerous player. Can't expect a much better resolution to this situation.

Bledsoe isn't good after 3 games? He averaged 21/5/6 last season before we sat him to tank. In comparison, we got a top 9 protected lotto pick for Kieff who averaged 12/5 and a pending aggravated assault charge

[Kerrsed]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

[Revived]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

What did Bledsoe say about the Suns? I missed the radio interview.

[lilfishi22]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

What did Bledsoe say about the Suns? I missed the radio interview.

I don't think neither MoBros or Dragic had anything pleasant to say about the Suns/McD. Our hope is that Bledsoe doesn't tell his whole side of the story because I don't think it'll be particularly nice.

[SideSwipe]

Who knows if Monroe stays, but I do know that he can play. I also know that we have been missing a low-post player desperately. I also know that Triano's offense we have been running is not the same super-gunner offense of years past. We have been missing a go to scorer who can get to the rim consistently. Len tried to do it the other night but his core isn't strong enough to hold himself straight when meeting defenders at the rim. I suspect that Monroe will help us get some wins and will be dangled with picks at the trade deadline to grab us a disgruntled star/ semi-star. Barring that he may stick around. He has always seemed like a player who was not used correctly. I think SVG could do more with him than with Drummond. I've always thought that Okafor to DET would be good, but sending Moose back there would certainly seem like it could work, if DET is amenable.

Who are the other disgruntled star targets that could be acquired for Moose before the 3-month period?

[OGBAH]

We need to get Towns disgruntled somehow

[GetYourPHX]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

What did Bledsoe say about the Suns? I missed the radio interview.

I don't think neither MoBros or Dragic had anything pleasant to say about the Suns/McD. Our hope is that Bledsoe doesn't tell his whole side of the story because I don't think it'll be particularly nice.

We get trashed because our management views players as assets, not people. It's the same story time and time again and that's really what it comes down to.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Bledsoe didn't say anything already known.

He said he was shut down healthy and the team wanted to play youth, requested a trade as he was at his peak and wanted to move on with a nice hair braid.

[bigfoot]

Who knows if Monroe stays, but I do know that he can play. I also know that we have been missing a low-post player desperately. I also know that Triano's offense we have been running is not the same super-gunner offense of years past. We have been missing a go to scorer who can get to the rim consistently. Len tried to do it the other night but his core isn't strong enough to hold himself straight when meeting defenders at the rim. I suspect that Monroe will help us get some wins and will be dangled with picks at the trade deadline to grab us a disgruntled star/ semi-star. Barring that he may stick around. He has always seemed like a player who was not used correctly. I think SVG could do more with him than with Drummond. I've always thought that Okafor to DET would be good, but sending Moose back there would certainly seem like it could work, if DET is amenable.

Who are the other disgruntled star targets that could be acquired for Moose before the 3-month period?

Disgruntled stars are going to be on losing teams. Think someone like Devin Booker in a year or two.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If Bledsoe can't get you a disgruntled star like Cousins, George, Porzingis, Butler, Irving...

Monroe on an expiring contract will?

[thamadkant]

I would keep Monroe and trade Chandler... offer Monroe a contract, make him the double double inside scorer Suns need...

We don't need that imo, and actually Len can already be that for us in his more limited and focused role. Teams are not trending that way. They are trending towards outside in ball, and we already have a guy who can post up in Booker to get a bucket in the post. Same for Jackson actually in college.

The future of this team is Booker, Jackson, Warren, and Bender right now.

Booker, Jackson, and Bender have length and playmaking. Bender I think ends up our 4 or 5 depending on who we draft this year. I think Booker could end up our 1 if we end up with a non-big like Doncic or Porter, which is okay because Jackson can guard 1s so that Booker can be our Harden.

Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bagley/Ayton/Bamba with Bender at the other big spot depending on which one we get
Bender

or

Booker
Doncic
Jackson (or Porter at 3 with Jackson a 2 if we get him and not Doncic)
Chriss
Bender

with Warren becoming 6th man.

Ulis, maybe James, DJJ, whoever we pick with the Miami pick as the bench guards.
I don't know who ends up left as the bench bigs, but it will likely be Sauce, maybe Len, and Chriss depending on the lineup above, or maybe we draft a project big with the MI pick, or try to max out Cousins if Bled doesn't kill us there and then Chriss goes to the bench.

I think the offense needs more general playmaking to set up others and not playmaking to score one on one. We actually have capable playmakers skillwise relative to their positions in Booker, Jackson, Bender. We just need to continue to develop them and get Booker into the Harden mindset instead of this utter and incessant and misguided demand he be Kobe. Harden is so much more valuable than Kobe on the offensive end and Booker's skillset matches Harden's better even if his numbers mirror Kobe's.

Len is a decent-to-good rebounder... but horrific as an offensive player, he has brick layer hands and limited moves down low. Len struggles to score 10 points one on one inside, Monroe would feast on most defenders one on one.


Len is a defender and rebounder only... Monroe is most likely a double double or close to, perhaps a 12ppg 8rpg big man for the Suns with 24+ minutes


I want Ayton on the Suns.... so thats my approach for any trades or transaction moving forward...


If they trade Monroe they could even package Len or Chriss or both to nab a KEY player.... I still do like Okafor... because I see him as a post presence and a Shot Blocker....

[bwgood77]

2 mid-first rounders and an expiring is better than waiting on a better deal while Bledsoe collects his cheques? Why do you care if Bledsoe is at home collecting free money?

I've always said trading for a guy due for a new deal is a bad idea unless they are proven. This offseason we either decide to commit to paying Monroe big money or we let him walk for nothing. In the end, you're left with 2 mid first and Greg Monroe for the next 3-4 years or just the 2 mid firsts. That's a disgusting haul no matter how disgruntled Bledsoe is

If you're upset that we got two mid firsts and Monroe for Bledsoe than you're going to be really upset to realize we only got one first.

Yeah I realised when I was doing more research. I thought it was 2 weirdly protected picks. That second won't even convey if it's not between 31-47. Anything past 48 and it's protected and doesn't convey. We'll probably get that second but that protection is a real kick in the nuts on the way out of the negotiating room.

I think getting the second was more of a hedge (it's protected 31-47)...if the Bucks end up good enough to where the first round pick falls in the protected range, we end up with a second for this year at least. The only thing that doesn't line up right is that there is one spot they could land in the draft where we get neither the first or the second this year. 17th/47th Otherwise we get 11-16 or 48-60.

I kind of wish our reverse protection would have been like 21-30 instead of 17-30. If they make the playoffs, we basically will only get their pick if they are the 7th or 8th seed in the east (assuming all wc playoff teams have better records than the 7th/8th seeds in east).

[Waylay13]

I personally hate this trade we are already under the salary cap and Monroe is not any where close to the type of player who will make a difference on this team. So we are going to trade him for someone who has a big salary? in other words another sucky players for some resource?

[jredsaz]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

That's the problem - we aren't doing right by the players. Obviously this organization has some issues keeping players happy. Idk if it's communication, honesty, facilities (I remember complaints about all three) or something else but their processes need to change. Their staff, what's expected, how they operate all need to be adjusted to improve player relations.