Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[bwgood77]

Am I the only one who is not disappointed by this trade? The pick has reverse protection assuring us that at least in 2018/2019 we will not end up with a late first rounder.

I'm fine with the trade too.

The thing is Bledsoe was just not that good. Easily he ranks in the bottom half of NBA starting point guards, maybe even bottom third. Then you add his injury history, his ridiculous agent, and the fact that the Suns play as well or better without him.

Its why we couldn't get the Irving trade without including Jackson.

In the end we get a somewhat decent pick, take on no long-term contracts, and shed an unhappy, unwanted and cancerous player. Can't expect a much better resolution to this situation.

Bledsoe isn't good after 3 games? He averaged 21/5/6 last season before we sat him to tank. In comparison, we got a top 9 protected lotto pick for Kieff who averaged 12/5 and a pending aggravated assault charge

Kieff had a super value contract though locked in for like 3 more years at only $8 million and that was before the cap spike. Consensus from just about everyone was that Washington really overpaid though.

I mean it's nice to want a better package, but if we held out for a better one it likely means keeping Bledsoe until his contract ends.

[bwgood77]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

You really think we traded him to the Bucks because that's where he wanted to go?



Man, pulling up those gifs made me think you could lose a lot of "Airplane" gifs.

Watching the Suns...





McD talking to Triano:

[Mulhollanddrive]

At least the 2 weeks we had to pretend Mudiay was a good player is over.

[AtheJ415]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

Yeah seriously, we need a new PR team. I have never seen so many spoiled brat players end up "in the right" here. Even NBA writers who are paid and respected sit there saying we lowballed Bled when we offered $13 a year to him in RFA, said we'd match higher if his market value ended up higher but to test the market and if he gets that offer come back to us. He could not get that offer. We sat there with our original there and he balked and pouted until we ended up giving him the $14 (just short of the $15 he wanted but could not successfully get a team to give him). How the hell is that lowballing?

We gave Thomas, Dragic, and Bled more money than anybody else. We gave them more opportunity than anybody else. When they complained, we moved them to one of their desired destinations. We have never done wrong by any of these guys. Even the Dragic crap where people are butt hurt about signing IT--Dragic claimed to want to win. IT helped us do that, and it was working even if Goran was out of position. Instead of Goran actually being the leader of this team and putting winning above all else and setting that example for the youngsters, he decided his numbers and shots were more important, pouted, and forced us to sign his brother and refused his assignments to the D League.

IT I am okay with because he was willing to wait it out and didn't make his issues public although he may have stoked some fires in the locker room. Bled and Dragic are not guys I will ever root for again. I like Goran because he was a heady, hard-nosed, selfless player. Once he got a taste of the limelight he put himself over winning, then forced our hand, then hollowly apologized after the fact. And we will be winning that trade. Thank god for Riley's awful contracts.

[lilfishi22]

I'm fine with the trade too.

The thing is Bledsoe was just not that good. Easily he ranks in the bottom half of NBA starting point guards, maybe even bottom third. Then you add his injury history, his ridiculous agent, and the fact that the Suns play as well or better without him.

Its why we couldn't get the Irving trade without including Jackson.

In the end we get a somewhat decent pick, take on no long-term contracts, and shed an unhappy, unwanted and cancerous player. Can't expect a much better resolution to this situation.

Bledsoe isn't good after 3 games? He averaged 21/5/6 last season before we sat him to tank. In comparison, we got a top 9 protected lotto pick for Kieff who averaged 12/5 and a pending aggravated assault charge

Kieff had a super value contract though locked in for like 3 more years at only $8 million and that was before the cap spike. Consensus from just about everyone was that Washington really overpaid though.

I mean it's nice to want a better package, but if we held out for a better one it likely means keeping Bledsoe until his contract ends.

Bledsoe's deal might not be the same bargain as Kieff's but he's worth his deal after averaging 21/5/6 over the past two seasons. Funny enough the pick from the Kieff trade gave us Kieff-lite in Chriss

[AtheJ415]

I'm fine with the trade too.

The thing is Bledsoe was just not that good. Easily he ranks in the bottom half of NBA starting point guards, maybe even bottom third. Then you add his injury history, his ridiculous agent, and the fact that the Suns play as well or better without him.

Its why we couldn't get the Irving trade without including Jackson.

In the end we get a somewhat decent pick, take on no long-term contracts, and shed an unhappy, unwanted and cancerous player. Can't expect a much better resolution to this situation.

Bledsoe isn't good after 3 games? He averaged 21/5/6 last season before we sat him to tank. In comparison, we got a top 9 protected lotto pick for Kieff who averaged 12/5 and a pending aggravated assault charge

Kieff had a super value contract though locked in for like 3 more years at only $8 million and that was before the cap spike. Consensus from just about everyone was that Washington really overpaid though.

I mean it's nice to want a better package, but if we held out for a better one it likely means keeping Bledsoe until his contract ends.

Yeah. I mean Bled is unquestionably the better player, but PG is not as premium a need as PF, and honestly we got a steal with that Kieff trade. It was unlikely to repeat itself. Plus, I am curious how Bucks fans will really react to this once Paul demands $25-35 mil a year or Mike Conley money to keep him.

[RaisingArizona]

What has Chriss done that is so bad? Immaturity on the court at times? Sure, but he's 20. Comparing him to Kieff is just unfair at this point.

[bwgood77]

I personally hate this trade we are already under the salary cap and Monroe is not any where close to the type of player who will make a difference on this team. So we are going to trade him for someone who has a big salary? in other words another sucky players for some resource?

I doubt it we will trade him for a crappy long term contract and a pick. McD doesn't have enough time to keep taking on crap players for picks.

If someone wanted to dump a useful player on an enormous contract like Drummond, for example, we could now give them enough salary and have enough additional cap space to absorb the rest of it without having to match.

We could also just trade him and the Toronto second for Okafor. It would give them 1 year of a little insurance on an Embiid injury. Of course he probably can't do that without one C at least getting disgruntled so then he would be blamed for that too.

[lilfishi22]

What has Chriss done that is so bad? Immaturity on the court at times? Sure, but he's 20. Comparing him to Kieff is just unfair at this point.

Just an undeserved dig

[darealjuice]

Our biggest flaw these last few years has been trying to play the line between rebuilding and pretending to have a chance to compete, and this trade is another result of that. Instead of being smart and trading Bledsoe at his peak value like a true rebuilding team would, we benched him during his prime to get a better chance at a top draft pick and hoped he'd be fine being on a team that clearly isn't doing everything it can to win games now. Predictably, he got annoyed by the benching and wants to win games, so he requested a trade and made it public, consequently (probably) damaging his trade value. It is worth considering that superstars haven't had a lot of value lately, so it's not a huge surprise that a mid-tier point guard like Blledsoe didn't get us much.

Now we're left with Greg Monroe until we trade him as an expiring in a salary dump to a contender or (more likely) buy him out before the deadline for him to sign with another team for the postseason. That pick could turn into something if we're extremely lucky, but the weak 2020 protections really hurt the value of that pick. The cap relief is nice, but the reality is that doesn't mean anything when no one wants to come to Phoenix. We really need 2 of this year's draft pick(s), Jackson, Bender, and Chriss to develop into very good players for us, or we're could easily be right back in the same spot in a few years.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Monroe and the suns can have a nice short mutually beneficial relationship. Moose is going to put up good numbers if the suns start him at C and that helps his bid for another good contract from someone this summer. If he plays well they might be able to flip him to a contender at the deadline.

It also lets them get a look at what guys like booker and warren can do playing with a real post scoring threat. Something neither one has ever really played with. That could help them determine if an old school type player like that can work or should they look for a more modern shot blocking and rim running type big. When you're rebuilding information like that is valuable. Its not likely but also not completely out of the question they end up liking Moose and consider keeping him after this year. I doubt he has too strong of an FA market and the center position is far from settled. (Now they could draft ayton, bamba, or williams and this becomes a moot point).

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[batsmasher]

What has Chriss done that is so bad? Immaturity on the court at times? Sure, but he's 20. Comparing him to Kieff is just unfair at this point.

Fans will always hate dudes that pout and don't give effort on the court. That has nothing to do with your age.

Off the court we are lucky Quese is a normal chill dude. Definitely doesn't deserve the Kieff comparison in that respect.

And yeah, Kieff has/had a pretty solid BBIQ - verdict is still out on whether Quese's basketball brain even exists.

[darealjuice]

What has Chriss done that is so bad? Immaturity on the court at times? Sure, but he's 20. Comparing him to Kieff is just unfair at this point.

Fans will always hate dudes that pout and don't give effort on the court. That has nothing to do with your age.

Off the court we are lucky Quese is a normal chill dude. Definitely doesn't deserve the Kieff comparison in that respect.

And yeah, Kieff has/had a pretty solid BBIQ - verdict is still out on whether Quese's basketball brain even exists.

The bright side is that Kieff and Marcus both developed into passable players despite being average punks at Kansas when they were Quese's current age. A player as raw as Quese is going to be a product of his coaching, so it's not exactly a shocker that Watson and his assistants haven't helped him take the next step. He has tons of athletic potential and his shooting form is good, so we just have to hope that a guy like Triano that lives for teaching basketball can help get him and these young guys were they need to be over the course of this season.

[grumpysaddle]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

You really think we traded him to the Bucks because that's where he wanted to go?



Man, pulling up those gifs made me think you could lose a lot of "Airplane" gifs.

Watching the Suns...





McD talking to Triano:

[grumpysaddle]

What has Chriss done that is so bad? Immaturity on the court at times? Sure, but he's 20. Comparing him to Kieff is just unfair at this point.

Fans will always hate dudes that pout and don't give effort on the court. That has nothing to do with your age.

Off the court we are lucky Quese is a normal chill dude. Definitely doesn't deserve the Kieff comparison in that respect.

And yeah, Kieff has/had a pretty solid BBIQ - verdict is still out on whether Quese's basketball brain even exists.

The bright side is that Kieff and Marcus both developed into passable players despite being average punks at Kansas when they were Quese's current age. A player as raw as Quese is going to be a product of his coaching, so it's not exactly a shocker that Watson and his assistants haven't helped him take the next step. He has tons of athletic potential and his shooting form is good, so we just have to hope that a guy like Triano that lives for teaching basketball can help get him and these young guys were they need to be over the course of this season.

I almost wish the Suns could just call up their entire G-League team for a week or two to play Suns games so that Triano could have an early-season training camp to teach the actual team. Really wish we could go back in time and get rid of Watson pre-training camp and give Triano the summer to help the team, but then we're likely still stuck with Bledsoe.

[darealjuice]

I almost wish the Suns could just call up their entire G-League team for a week or two to play Suns games so that Triano could have an early-season training camp to teach the actual team. Really wish we could go back in time and get rid of Watson pre-training camp and give Triano the summer to help the team, but then we're likely still stuck with Bledsoe.

I don't know if we'd be stuck Bledsoe, supposedly he had requested a trade prior to the start of the season, but I doubt he would have tweeted anything. With that said, it would definitely have been better if we had Triano running our training camp. Hopefully this long home stand should gives us time to get some practice in even though we have a lot of games in a pretty short amount of time.

[jcsunsfan]

Am I the only one who is not disappointed by this trade? The pick has reverse protection assuring us that at least in 2018/2019 we will not end up with a late first rounder.

I'm fine with the trade too.

The thing is Bledsoe was just not that good. Easily he ranks in the bottom half of NBA starting point guards, maybe even bottom third. Then you add his injury history, his ridiculous agent, and the fact that the Suns play as well or better without him.

Its why we couldn't get the Irving trade without including Jackson.

In the end we get a somewhat decent pick, take on no long-term contracts, and shed an unhappy, unwanted and cancerous player. Can't expect a much better resolution to this situation.

Bledsoe isn't good after 3 games? He averaged 21/5/6 last season before we sat him to tank. In comparison, we got a top 9 protected lotto pick for Kieff who averaged 12/5 and a pending aggravated assault charge

Stop comparing it to the Kieff trade. That trade was a miracle. You can’t expect that to happen twice.


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[Mr Puddles]

Ofcourse it's waaay to early to be looking at standings, but if the playoffs were to start tomorrow - we'd basically be in a position where we'd enter the 2019 draft with 2 unprotected picks and one 4-16 pick.

This is not your grand daddy's eastern conference, teams that missed the playoffs last year:

• Detroit Pistons
• Charlotte Hornets
• New York Knicks
• Orlando Magic
• Philadelphia 76ers

will make a legit playoff push this year


and I don't doubt for a second that playoff regulars:

• Boston Celtics
• Cleveland Cavaliers
• Toronto Raptors
• Washington Wizards

will return again this year.

I'm not at all as convinced that the heat and bucks are playoffs locks as some seem to be. Even if the Bucks make the playoffs, that top protection ensures that at least in the short term we're not going to end up with the 28th pick or something. My guess would be that the bucks pick will end up mid first round (which was realistically always Bledsoe's value), and that the miami pick will be top 10 - either this year or the next.

[sunsbum]

Giving up Bledsoe to plug a temporary hole is such a waste of an asset.

I'd rather we throw as many minutes at Len as possible as a last look to decide if he's a goner this offseason or if he's worth retaining. Adding Monroe adds depth but I don't see him sticking around either. The other roblem is I don't think there's much of a trade market for Monroe and I think Bucks did very well giving up not a whole lot for Bledsoe. We probably won't see those picks for a while.

yea len needs at least 4 more seasons.

Who said anything about giving Len 4 more seasons?

It was sarcasm. Len is what he is, a big rebounding hoador with barely serviceable rim protection. I'm up for seeing what moose can do.

[jcsunsfan]

So once again, just like Dragic, we send the player out to the team he wants to go to, and we get our name drug through the mud in turn for doing so.

Its funny how all this "Doing right by the player" hasnt helped one bit, and we end up being trashed by that player once he goes where he wanted to go.

What did Bledsoe say about the Suns? I missed the radio interview.

I don't think neither MoBros or Dragic had anything pleasant to say about the Suns/McD. Our hope is that Bledsoe doesn't tell his whole side of the story because I don't think it'll be particularly nice.

Can’t be helped. It’s agent manipulation. Be a jerk. Be disruptive. Claim it was the other guy’s fault. The only solution in a situation like this is to go about your business and not allow yourself to be bullied. Forget about whether the trade is or is not what the player wants. Just get the best deal you can. And for the love of God forget about what all the idiot talking/ tweeting heads say.


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