Getting Rid of the Placekicker: What Would You Replace It With?

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Getting Rid of the Placekicker: What Would You Replace It With? 

Post#1 » by Bulltalk » Mon Nov 6, 2017 8:38 pm

I know, it's not going to happen now or in the foreseeable future, but just for thought's sake, how would you replace the present field goal and extra point system? I'm of the nascent opinion that the place kicker as concerns FG's and extra points is kind of like the appendix, something that has outlived its evolutionary usefulness, perhaps should have never been instituted in the first place.

Place kickers aren't really football players, and I'm sure if you asked real football players what they think of them and the overly significant role they play in a game of otherwise real football players, they'd probably roll their collective eyes and say something to the effect that that's just the way it is.

I think there's plenty of different ways you could replace their role with a different system. I have a few ideas, but wonder what other ideas there may be?
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Post#2 » by Otis Driftwood » Mon Nov 6, 2017 9:22 pm

Bulltalk wrote:I know, it's not going to happen now or in the foreseeable future, but just for thought's sake, how would you replace the present field goal and extra point system? I'm of the nascent opinion that the place kicker as concerns FG's and extra points is kind of like the appendix, something that has outlived its evolutionary usefulness, perhaps should have never been instituted in the first place.

Place kickers aren't really football players, and I'm sure if you asked real football players what they think of them and the overly significant role they play in a game of otherwise real football players, they'd probably roll their collective eyes and say something to the effect that that's just the way it is.

I think there's plenty of different ways you could replace their role with a different system. I have a few ideas, but wonder what other ideas there may be?



I'd rather assign difficulty points for different FG lengths. Make a 50+ yard FG actually have value as opposed to it having the same weight as a 30 yard FG. By the same token - an kicked extra point is worth one point. Why should a FG of the same length or less be worth any more?

To me, that is the better solution. I don't like the idea of taking the foot out of the game. I just want Blair Walsh out of the game.
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Re: Getting Rid of the Placekicker: What Would You Replace It With? 

Post#3 » by Bulltalk » Mon Nov 6, 2017 9:29 pm

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Bulltalk wrote:I know, it's not going to happen now or in the foreseeable future, but just for thought's sake, how would you replace the present field goal and extra point system? I'm of the nascent opinion that the place kicker as concerns FG's and extra points is kind of like the appendix, something that has outlived its evolutionary usefulness, perhaps should have never been instituted in the first place.

Place kickers aren't really football players, and I'm sure if you asked real football players what they think of them and the overly significant role they play in a game of otherwise real football players, they'd probably roll their collective eyes and say something to the effect that that's just the way it is.

I think there's plenty of different ways you could replace their role with a different system. I have a few ideas, but wonder what other ideas there may be?



I'd rather assign difficulty points for different FG lengths. Make a 50+ yard FG actually have value as opposed to it having the same weight as a 30 yard FG. By the same token - an kicked extra point is worth one point. Why should a FG of the same length or less be worth any more?

To me, that is the better solution. I don't like the idea of taking the foot out of the game. I just want Blair Walsh out of the game.


I think most people, if they really thought about it, if they put familiarity, habit and tradition aside, would admit that making teams actually have to run a football play for an extra point would be more exciting than a place kicker kicking a 37 yard extra point. On an extra point that's an actual football play, any number of different plays could be run. Much more exciting. How can this be denied?

Also, as far as field goals go, they really come into play when a team reaches about the 35 yard line of enemy territory. Now say a team is at the 30 yard line and it's 4th down and 5 to go. I don't know about others, but I'd much rather see an actual football play than a FG attempt. It would really bring many more regular offensive plays into play on 4th down during any number of games, bring much more excitement into the game. How could this also be denied?
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Re: Getting Rid of the Placekicker: What Would You Replace It With? 

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Otis Driftwood wrote: I just want Blair Walsh out of the game.

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Post#5 » by Bulltalk » Tue Nov 7, 2017 2:59 am

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Otis Driftwood wrote: I just want Blair Walsh out of the game.

Your not alone. :(


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Post#6 » by Otis Driftwood » Tue Nov 7, 2017 3:30 am

Bulltalk wrote:
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Otis Driftwood wrote: I just want Blair Walsh out of the game.

Your not alone. :(


But what about my great philosophical treatise? :lol:


Getting rid of the placekicking game simply to deprive Blair Walsh of a job is a bit of overkill, good sir.
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Post#7 » by Bulltalk » Tue Nov 7, 2017 3:32 am

Otis Driftwood wrote:
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Cactus Jack wrote:Your not alone. :(


But what about my great philosophical treatise? :lol:


Getting rid of the placekicking game simply to deprive Blair Walsh of a job is a bit of overkill, good sir.


:lol: Yes, there's that. But believe it or not, this has been on my mind for quite a spell now.
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Post#8 » by Otis Driftwood » Tue Nov 7, 2017 12:45 pm

Bulltalk wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote:
Bulltalk wrote:
But what about my great philosophical treatise? :lol:


Getting rid of the placekicking game simply to deprive Blair Walsh of a job is a bit of overkill, good sir.


:lol: Yes, there's that. But believe it or not, this has been on my mind for quite a spell now.



You should expand your thoughts to more pressing issues. Like whether In-n-Out or Whataburger is the better fast food burger (Whataburger is and it isn't close...)

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Post#9 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:15 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:
Bulltalk wrote:I know, it's not going to happen now or in the foreseeable future, but just for thought's sake, how would you replace the present field goal and extra point system? I'm of the nascent opinion that the place kicker as concerns FG's and extra points is kind of like the appendix, something that has outlived its evolutionary usefulness, perhaps should have never been instituted in the first place.

Place kickers aren't really football players, and I'm sure if you asked real football players what they think of them and the overly significant role they play in a game of otherwise real football players, they'd probably roll their collective eyes and say something to the effect that that's just the way it is.

I think there's plenty of different ways you could replace their role with a different system. I have a few ideas, but wonder what other ideas there may be?



I'd rather assign difficulty points for different FG lengths. Make a 50+ yard FG actually have value as opposed to it having the same weight as a 30 yard FG. By the same token - an kicked extra point is worth one point. Why should a FG of the same length or less be worth any more?

To me, that is the better solution. I don't like the idea of taking the foot out of the game. I just want Blair Walsh out of the game.

I agree with you on this one. kicking has always been a part of the game and I want it untouched. I do like Blair Walsh though, :wink:
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Post#10 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:17 pm

I'd rather get rid of some of the rules that have made this game way too much offensive. Just breathing on a QB is ruining the game.
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Post#11 » by RavenMad31 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:46 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I'd rather get rid of some of the rules that have made this game way too much offensive. Just breathing on a QB is ruining the game.

Two things go hand in hand here. I'll second what BJJ said and in another return to more traditional rules, I'd also like to see OT return to pure sudden death. Since FG kicking has evolved to the point where 50 yards is the new 40, just eliminate FGs from OT instead of trying to screw it up with gimmicky crap to accomplish some sort of contrived fairness. Unless there is some restored balance between offense and defense, I think this is the best solution. I think we were in a good place with that balance in the early 2000s before the Colts whined about the physical CB play from the Patriots in a playoff game and then being followed up a few years later by the so-called Brady Rule.
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Post#12 » by Bulltalk » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:00 pm

In all major teams sports, give me anything comparable to the placekicker in terms of its oddity yet significance?

--Goalie in hockey? Yes, odd in the sense that they don't skate around like the other players, but no in the sense that they're actually on the ice a significant portion of the time.

--Goalie in soccer? Somewhat like above.

--Basketball? No, all players are basketball players, but with varying skill sets.

--Pitcher or DH in baseball? Yes, pitchers are different than everyday players, but they are consistently involved in the game; and DH's are only different than regular everyday players in that they don't play defense.

I don't think any players in these above sports would look upon such goalies, pitchers, DH's in the same way players would look upon the placekicker in football. I wonder if you anonymously polled NFL players about doing away with the placekicker and letting real football players decide the game if they would come down on my side of the issue?

Get rid of the placekicker, I say. Let real football players decide the game. Add more real offense and offensive plays to the game. Make it more exciting in that way.
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Post#13 » by RaoulDuke79 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:57 pm

Instead of FG's or extra points, a selected cheerleader from each side must meet at the 50-yd line and mud wrestle for the points. The winner's team gets the points, the loser must do a naked walk of shame back to the sidelines.
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Post#14 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Nov 7, 2017 6:18 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote: Like whether In-n-Out or Whataburger is the better fast food burger (Whataburger is and it isn't close...)

:D

Say Wut???? :lol:
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Post#15 » by Otis Driftwood » Tue Nov 7, 2017 7:27 pm

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Otis Driftwood wrote: Like whether In-n-Out or Whataburger is the better fast food burger (Whataburger is and it isn't close...)

:D

Say Wut???? :lol:


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Otis Driftwood wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote: Like whether In-n-Out or Whataburger is the better fast food burger (Whataburger is and it isn't close...)

:D

Say Wut???? :lol:


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Whataburger is Burger King/Carls Jr. of the South lol. In-n-Out by a landslide. :wink:
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Post#17 » by RaoulDuke79 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 8:20 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Say Wut???? :lol:


I speak truths. If you ever make it to Texas, try one and see.

Whataburger is Burger King/Carls Jr. of the South lol. In-n-Out by a landslide. :wink:


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Post#18 » by bluejerseyjinx » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:20 pm

RaoulDuke79 wrote:Instead of FG's or extra points, a selected cheerleader from each side must meet at the 50-yd line and mud wrestle for the points. The winner's team gets the points, the loser must do a naked walk of shame back to the sidelines.

You been hanging around Jwise too much, :lol:
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Post#19 » by Worm Guts » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:38 pm

I think FGs add to the drama and decision making. And if you're going to remove the kicker, you might as well remove the punter.
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Post#20 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:50 pm

RaoulDuke79 wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote:
I speak truths. If you ever make it to Texas, try one and see.

Whataburger is Burger King/Carls Jr. of the South lol. In-n-Out by a landslide. :wink:


Blasphemy.


See what happens to people that live in the Northwest?

No wonder the suicide rate is so high. Between the lack of a quality hamburger and $20 coffee, I'm not sure I could deal with it either.
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