Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor

Moderators: bwgood77, Domejandro

RealGM Wiretap
RealGM
Posts: 123,094
And1: 320
Joined: Mar 19, 2013

Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:08 pm

The Phoenix Suns have interest in trading for Jahlil Okafor.


The Suns don't currently have a roster spot available, but that could change once they part ways with Greg Monroe via trade or buyout.


Phoenix is rebuilding and presumably view Okafor as a potential reclamation project.


The Philadelphia 76ers declined their team option on Okafor's contract for 18-19 and are attempting to facilitate a trade to give him playing time elsewhere. While Okafor isn't under contract next season, the Suns have sufficient cap space to re-sign him to a long-term deal should he play well.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/ESPN

the_process
RealGM
Posts: 30,744
And1: 11,205
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#2 » by the_process » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:24 pm

BC sure is going out of his way to leak every little conversation he has about Okafor. I guess that’s what you have to do to keep the casuals from yipping at your heels about “doing right by Jah”. :roll:
User avatar
Pedro
Senior
Posts: 605
And1: 58
Joined: Mar 09, 2009

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#3 » by Pedro » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:46 pm

the_process wrote:BC sure is going out of his way to leak every little conversation he has about Okafor. I guess that’s what you have to do to keep the casuals from yipping at your heels about “doing right by Jah”. :roll:

Huh?!?
User avatar
Chucky_Atkins7
Freshman
Posts: 64
And1: 2
Joined: Oct 24, 2017
       

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#4 » by Chucky_Atkins7 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:57 pm

bulls already have many G league caliber players with no defense so why bring Okafor back to his hometown, when he DOESNT EVEN TRY DEFENSE LOL. just like Andre from the Pistons, an opponent forward drives to the basket, meanwhile andre just stays on axis not even moving his foot to slow down the opponent.
Image #INSTANWETRUST
User avatar
ontnut
RealGM
Posts: 12,434
And1: 9,315
Joined: Jan 31, 2009
Location: Toronto
       

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#5 » by ontnut » Wed Nov 8, 2017 7:28 pm

They don't want Monroe, but want Okafor? TF are the Suns doing?
Image
NoZoLakers
General Manager
Posts: 8,504
And1: 3,359
Joined: May 20, 2017

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#6 » by NoZoLakers » Wed Nov 8, 2017 7:34 pm

guess they dont care to develop bender lol
User avatar
macNcheese3
RealGM
Posts: 11,215
And1: 6,916
Joined: Jul 04, 2015
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada.
   

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#7 » by macNcheese3 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 8:50 pm

ontnut wrote:They don't want Monroe, but want Okafor? TF are the Suns doing?


I think PHX is a good landing spot for Okafor. They don't necessarily need Monroe as he wants to play for a winner and secondly they are in a clear rebuild. They have Chandler and are probably working to move him every chance they get. PHX may be able to get something out of Okafor, what else do they have to lose at this rate?
User avatar
SpikJagger
Pro Prospect
Posts: 828
And1: 651
Joined: Feb 23, 2017
     

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#8 » by SpikJagger » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:22 pm

Suns are never going to Develop any of their bigs if they keep bringing in new guys.

They have Chriss, Bender, and Len that need more burn in regards to player development and now they're thinking about bringing in another young big?

Sometimes you just have to focus on what you already have.
rzzzzz
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,680
And1: 1,759
Joined: Feb 21, 2015
 

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#9 » by rzzzzz » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:28 pm

now that his leg is finally mended, OK4 has an interest in defense. doesn't mean he's any good at it. hence, the 3 quick fouls last night. (of course, none of Embiid's backups were all that last night against an imposing big.) so while the Monroe "ceiling" critic is fair, there is the motivation for the 21 y.o to aim for Gasol. don't know the odds, but a good short term project for a non-contender.
DannyAingeIsGod
Junior
Posts: 356
And1: 39
Joined: Jun 24, 2016

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#10 » by DannyAingeIsGod » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:38 pm

SpikJagger wrote:Suns are never going to Develop any of their bigs if they keep bringing in new guys.

They have Chriss, Bender, and Len that need more burn in regards to player development and now they're thinking about bringing in another young big?

Sometimes you just have to focus on what you already have.

Bender and Chriss sure, but Len should have been given up on along time ago, dudes been in the Nba for years and hasn't done anything yet. His ceiling at this point is a Timofey Mozgov type of talent. Back up at best. Suns suck in all aspects, always come up just shy of doing something good. I.T came off the bench to Dragic and Bledsoe lmfao. Suns=Trash
ImHeisenberg
Head Coach
Posts: 6,465
And1: 2,323
Joined: Apr 01, 2013
 

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#11 » by ImHeisenberg » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:50 pm

ontnut wrote:They don't want Monroe, but want Okafor? TF are the Suns doing?

That's what I thought too. :lol:

Why go through the extra effort to bring Okafor when you have that player already?
User avatar
SpikJagger
Pro Prospect
Posts: 828
And1: 651
Joined: Feb 23, 2017
     

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#12 » by SpikJagger » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:51 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
ontnut wrote:They don't want Monroe, but want Okafor? TF are the Suns doing?

That's what I thought too. :lol:

Why go through the extra effort to bring Okafor when you have that player already?


"B-B-BUT HE FITS THE TIMELINE!!"
ImHeisenberg
Head Coach
Posts: 6,465
And1: 2,323
Joined: Apr 01, 2013
 

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#13 » by ImHeisenberg » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:53 pm

SpikJagger wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:
ontnut wrote:They don't want Monroe, but want Okafor? TF are the Suns doing?

That's what I thought too. :lol:

Why go through the extra effort to bring Okafor when you have that player already?


"B-B-BUT HE FITS THE TIMELINE!!"

Great avatar.

You're right on the timeline point. Moose is like 27 or 28. But, doesn't Pho already have a slew of bigs who aren't built for the modern NBA?
Veggamattic
Veteran
Posts: 2,830
And1: 1,419
Joined: Sep 11, 2006

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#14 » by Veggamattic » Wed Nov 8, 2017 10:55 pm

DannyAingeIsGod wrote:
SpikJagger wrote:Suns are never going to Develop any of their bigs if they keep bringing in new guys.

They have Chriss, Bender, and Len that need more burn in regards to player development and now they're thinking about bringing in another young big?

Sometimes you just have to focus on what you already have.

Bender and Chriss sure, but Len should have been given up on along time ago, dudes been in the Nba for years and hasn't done anything yet. His ceiling at this point is a Timofey Mozgov type of talent. Back up at best. Suns suck in all aspects, always come up just shy of doing something good. I.T came off the bench to Dragic and Bledsoe lmfao. Suns=Trash


I have more hope for Len than I do for Bender at this point. Len has played well all year and looks much better than he did last season and Bender still looks terrible. On a side note Bender has looked better in the last couple games and this is the first sign of ANYTHING resembling an NBA future I have seen.

If you watched the Suns during the I.T., Bledsoe and Dragic year you would realize that IT was outplayed by a mile by the other 2 and even though it wasn't a good trade it wasn't even close productivity wise during that season...I.T. wasn't in the same league that season.
User avatar
ChokeFasncists
RealGM
Posts: 14,978
And1: 1,501
Joined: Jan 19, 2014
 

Re: Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#15 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Nov 8, 2017 11:13 pm

I like this idea, it's a risk worth taking.

Okafor still has plenty of upside whereas Monroe is who he is.

Okafor probably works well coming off the bench.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
User avatar
Kerrsed
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 29,876
And1: 16,578
Joined: Mar 31, 2009
Location: Land of the Internet Memes
Contact:
     

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#16 » by Kerrsed » Thu Nov 9, 2017 1:14 am

The issue is that for some reason people believe that Bender and Chriss are C's when they clearly are not. Im guessing no one has watched many Suns games as of late, but those two are Power Forwards. Are current C's are Chandler and Len with Alan Williams currently out with injury.

Len is pretty much done with us. We didnt extend him and he is playing out his QO. The Mozgov comparison is pretty spot on, except we are smart enough to see that and not offer him a large contract like Timofey got. So that pretty much leaves Chandler and Williams (And now Monroe). Chandler is old as dirt and pretty much only provides veteran leadership at this point. Williams is a career backup, nothing more nothing less. Monroe.....Monroe has an old school C's game that doesnt fit in with how the league is anymore. Gone are the days of back to the basket and backing down the defender to establish position on a 4-6 foot shot. Monroe just plain doesnt fit in the league anymore.

So now you see why we would be open to throwing the dice on Okafor. We dont have a Center on the roster that really has any future with the Suns.

And once again, BENDER AND CHRISS ARE POWER FORWARDS AND NOT C's!
Its #DUMPSTERFIRE SEASON! #TeamTRAINWRECK -KERRSED- The Mod, The Myth, The Legend
Image
UTEP2STEP
Ballboy
Posts: 7
And1: 0
Joined: Feb 10, 2017

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#17 » by UTEP2STEP » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:19 am

Kerrsed wrote:The issue is that for some reason people believe that Bender and Chriss are C's when they clearly are not. Im guessing no one has watched many Suns games as of late, but those two are Power Forwards. Are current C's are Chandler and Len with Alan Williams currently out with injury.

Len is pretty much done with us. We didnt extend him and he is playing out his QO. The Mozgov comparison is pretty spot on, except we are smart enough to see that and not offer him a large contract like Timofey got. So that pretty much leaves Chandler and Williams (And now Monroe). Chandler is old as dirt and pretty much only provides veteran leadership at this point. Williams is a career backup, nothing more nothing less. Monroe.....Monroe has an old school C's game that doesnt fit in with how the league is anymore. Gone are the days of back to the basket and backing down the defender to establish position on a 4-6 foot shot. Monroe just plain doesnt fit in the league anymore.

So now you see why we would be open to throwing the dice on Okafor. We dont have a Center on the roster that really has any future with the Suns.

And once again, BENDER AND CHRISS ARE POWER FORWARDS AND NOT C's!



Except Okafor also plays like a traditional PF, so...
cheese318
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,615
And1: 239
Joined: Nov 13, 2013
       

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#18 » by cheese318 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 7:15 am

Len is 22 and Mozgov is like 30. That comparison is no where near correct. Mozgov was paid during LA’s stupid regime wrote blank checks to the AARP of the NBA after agent class. Len seems to keep getting better but keeps regressing as well. Could be a bust so we will see. I don’t watch enough of the Suns but have they ever given him the opportunity to play starters minutes without hesitating being sent to the bench every other week for bad performance?

I’d love to see what happens to him when he gets a fresh start on a new team/coach but most likely you are right he will be a serviceable center going forward.

Kerrsed wrote:The issue is that for some reason people believe that Bender and Chriss are C's when they clearly are not. Im guessing no one has watched many Suns games as of late, but those two are Power Forwards. Are current C's are Chandler and Len with Alan Williams currently out with injury.

Len is pretty much done with us. We didnt extend him and he is playing out his QO. The Mozgov comparison is pretty spot on, except we are smart enough to see that and not offer him a large contract like Timofey got. So that pretty much leaves Chandler and Williams (And now Monroe). Chandler is old as dirt and pretty much only provides veteran leadership at this point. Williams is a career backup, nothing more nothing less. Monroe.....Monroe has an old school C's game that doesnt fit in with how the league is anymore. Gone are the days of back to the basket and backing down the defender to establish position on a 4-6 foot shot. Monroe just plain doesnt fit in the league anymore.

So now you see why we would be open to throwing the dice on Okafor. We dont have a Center on the roster that really has any future with the Suns.

And once again, BENDER AND CHRISS ARE POWER FORWARDS AND NOT C's!
Hoopzilla wrote:
Whether I was born or not when the Orlando Magic tried to form a Super Team means absolutely nothing to this conversation. One thing is pretty clear, you are the load your mother should have swallowed and moved on with her life... :nod:
BooRadleysHouse
Sophomore
Posts: 151
And1: 36
Joined: Jul 08, 2014
     

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#19 » by BooRadleysHouse » Thu Nov 9, 2017 9:56 am

Kerrsed wrote:The issue is that for some reason people believe that Bender and Chriss are C's when they clearly are not. Im guessing no one has watched many Suns games as of late, but those two are Power Forwards. Are current C's are Chandler and Len with Alan Williams currently out with injury.

Len is pretty much done with us. We didnt extend him and he is playing out his QO. The Mozgov comparison is pretty spot on, except we are smart enough to see that and not offer him a large contract like Timofey got. So that pretty much leaves Chandler and Williams (And now Monroe). Chandler is old as dirt and pretty much only provides veteran leadership at this point. Williams is a career backup, nothing more nothing less. Monroe.....Monroe has an old school C's game that doesnt fit in with how the league is anymore. Gone are the days of back to the basket and backing down the defender to establish position on a 4-6 foot shot. Monroe just plain doesnt fit in the league anymore.

So now you see why we would be open to throwing the dice on Okafor. We dont have a Center on the roster that really has any future with the Suns.

And once again, BENDER AND CHRISS ARE POWER FORWARDS AND NOT C's!


You obviously have seen many more Suns games than I have, but from the 4 games I have seen, I disagree with much of what you say. I do agree that Chriss is NOT a center and is a PF. Bender seems to be more of a stretch center to me than a 4, because of his lack of quickness. Although not addressed here, I think Bender is a near bust though. When this guy comes into the game, they get crushed. Bender is a deep bench center bomber…a poor man’s Kelly Olynyk.

I’m not a fan of the Len-Mozgov comparison. I guess I could see it to some extent, but I think Len is much more athletic and has a lot more potential. But he is not a great “contemporary center” either. Agreed that Chandler is old as dirt and does not fit.

My biggest disagreement is on your justification of Okafor and “throwing the dice” on him. He is basically subject to every single criticism you laid out (being an old school center)…he is not a good contemporary center. And basically, he is inferior to Monroe, except for maybe a bit more scoring potential. Okafor is a one-trick pony…a trick that Monroe already does well and Monroe is a superior passer. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Tiny ball
Veteran
Posts: 2,614
And1: 840
Joined: Jul 31, 2016
Location: Some island in Philippines
         

Re: Suns Interested In Jahlil Okafor 

Post#20 » by Tiny ball » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:23 am

Veggamattic wrote:
DannyAingeIsGod wrote:
SpikJagger wrote:Suns are never going to Develop any of their bigs if they keep bringing in new guys.

They have Chriss, Bender, and Len that need more burn in regards to player development and now they're thinking about bringing in another young big?

Sometimes you just have to focus on what you already have.

Bender and Chriss sure, but Len should have been given up on along time ago, dudes been in the Nba for years and hasn't done anything yet. His ceiling at this point is a Timofey Mozgov type of talent. Back up at best. Suns suck in all aspects, always come up just shy of doing something good. I.T came off the bench to Dragic and Bledsoe lmfao. Suns=Trash


I have more hope for Len than I do for Bender at this point. Len has played well all year and looks much better than he did last season and Bender still looks terrible. On a side note Bender has looked better in the last couple games and this is the first sign of ANYTHING resembling an NBA future I have seen.

If you watched the Suns during the I.T., Bledsoe and Dragic year you would realize that IT was outplayed by a mile by the other 2 and even though it wasn't a good trade it wasn't even close productivity wise during that season...I.T. wasn't in the same league that season.

He sure was better in Boston than anyone was in suns uniform. Thug wade slammed him and put him on shelve but he bounced back. Amassing little man.

Return to Wiretap Discussion