Game 12: Miami Heat at Phoenix Suns, Wednesday, November 8th, 7PM MST

[Jarlaxle0204]

Looking forward to the win tonight. Let's keep their draft pick low.

We only get it if it is 8 or higher. So we actually benefit doubly by the heat winning this one since they are at 6 right now.

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I'm aware that it's top 7 protected. The Heat are not one of the 7 worst teams in the league and will not remain at number 6, hence rooting against them.

[Revived]

Amazing how teams that started their rebuild after us (Celtics, Lakers, 76ers etc) are all closer to being a winning program before the Suns.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Why in the world didn't they take Dellavedova if they knew they weren't going to keep Monroe?

Dude I'm also a bucks fan and I can say with confidence that the suns were smart staying away from delly and that contract. He's been dleague scrub bad.

Hell they should give some dleague pgs some run. If ulis can't make a shot then he won't be employed in the NBA much longer.

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[Kerrsed]

Great game. Long live the tank.

Honestly, this is just trolling. It's tiring.

Yeah it's trolling ... but nothing is ever done about it.

Nothing is done because its not trolling.

He has every right to feel and express that he feels like the team needs to go into a different direction than others.

If you dont want to see it anymore, you can simply block him. Its that simple.

[bwgood77]

Because it's annoying and doesn't lead to any kind of constructive contribution to a conversation.

It's annoying to you, just like reading the constant and opposite drivel the win now crowd spouts is annoying to me and the other half of the board. Pot meet kettle.

I am happy for this loss. It moves Miami closer to out of the bottom 7, and improves our odds of getting a top 5 pick. If your expectation is that this team contend for the playoffs, then my honest recommendation is to get realistic, and stop getting mad at those of us who think we need a top talent to move forward, and preferably one on a rookie deal from the draft.

Since when did I care about winning games this year? There's a difference between losing games while making positive progress and losing while playing like complete garbage. This was garbage. So, no celebration from me and saying "good game". You want to pair another high pick with a bunch of other high picks so that next year can be the same exact thing and so on and so on. It's funny that our two best young players were end of the lottery picks and not top picks, but a top pick is obviously the only way to get anything of worth.

Yeah, I don't care much about wins and losses and expect to lose but it doesn't matter who we get next year if the rest of our team is still putrid at the end of the season. Of course if one doesn't mind that they can be happy about the losses they want next year and argue they want to lose because all this team needs is a chance at Barrett or Williamson, THEN we can turn the corner.

Anyway, I do know that our draft picks from last year are still very young, very raw and neither have as much in game experience coming in as their counterparts did, so I am patient with them. And it's WAY too early to judge Jackson too. Booker and Warren playing well though. I expected more out of Ulis because he isn't as raw and young, played a couple years in college and seems to be regressing.

It's really unfortunate that Williams and Reed our injured. I think that probably hurts the camaraderie to an extent.

[bwgood77]

Looking forward to the win tonight. Let's keep their draft pick low.

We only get it if it is 8 or higher. So we actually benefit doubly by the heat winning this one since they are at 6 right now.

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I'm aware that it's top 7 protected. The Heat are not one of the 7 worst teams in the league and will not remain at number 6, hence rooting against them.

Yeah, I think it's dumb in general to root for Heat wins. They might not be great, but they won't end up bottom 6 or 7. I'll root for losses from them.

[Book1Nation]

I’m all in for PG Booker.

Even at his worst he’s better than the **** we’re currently running out there. And Daniels has actually been good. Let those 2 get out there and let the damn ball fly.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Man it's getting a little testy on this board today. **** show losing will do that.

My take is its perfectly fine to root for the tank. Hell I want a homerun pick so bad. But its also fine to get pissed about the young guys playing poorly. In general young players will always be inconsistent thats normal but for christ sake you need to actually see some good with the bad once in a while or it does get discouraging.

The one thing personally I think both the front office and some fans really need stop with is this whole were going to trade for a star bull. Sure if the perfect scenario breaks then by all means jump but personally I think its a dumb primary plan. Do you really think these "stars" are not going to be all that happy to be dealt to a young and bad team? And most of the time these guys are dealt in the last or second to last years of their deals so you end up paying a bunch for a guy who can bolt quickly. When was the last truely bad team that aquired a "star" via trade that didnt already have one and it worked out? Now if booker or another guy becomes a transcendent player then its time to look to find those other elite players. When you do it the other way around you just end up with pissed off guys looking to leave.

Now if they want to move a pick for a competent pg or something like that this summer thats fine. But they need to find that core in the draft and that starts with picking players who you know can actually **** play.

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[bwgood77]

Last week this team made me believe again and now like goldust they shattered my dream

They were on their last legs to end the last game of the road trip, and then in their first game back at home, it was off a b2b and they didn't have any time to practice.

I think the road and not practicing finally took it's toll at the end and the first home game. They finally got some practice in but this is the first game after that. We have a long home stand and they will get to practice some and get to work.

I mean they have gone through a whirlwind over their first three weeks of basketball. Now that the first game after the trade is behind us, hopefully things start looking up for the young players, their development and level of play. This team has shown it has the means to be competitive, even as young as they are.

[AtheJ415]

We only get it if it is 8 or higher. So we actually benefit doubly by the heat winning this one since they are at 6 right now.

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I'm aware that it's top 7 protected. The Heat are not one of the 7 worst teams in the league and will not remain at number 6, hence rooting against them.

Yeah, I think it's dumb in general to root for Heat wins. They might not be great, but they won't end up bottom 6 or 7. I'll root for losses from them.

Who is rooting for them to win "in general"? I'm rooting for them to win against us only b/c they are currently 6th and we need the losses. Against all other teams I root for them to lose.

[AtheJ415]

The worst part of this season is that we're awful but there's 4 other teams that will be worse.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Atlanta is much better coached and has vets. They have also played competitive ball. I think they catch us. I also think Dallas will improve under Carlisle. The tough ones are going to be Chicago and Sac. I think we could fall to 3 in the tank rankings though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Amazing how teams that started their rebuild after us (Celtics, Lakers, 76ers etc) are all closer to being a winning program before the Suns.

This is an interesting thing to look at.

Boston to me is such a unique case because they started their rebuild by trading two hall of fame vets and just robbed the nets that its not fair to compare them to a normal rebuild. By getting those picks and pick swaps and the nets instantly being bad it allowed them to do the rare win and rebuild at the same time. They've done a good job with the picks so super hat tip to them but we may never see this senario play out again in our lifetime.

I'm not sure the lakers are really in that better of a spot than the suns other than the fact they are the lakers so might land some good fas next year and they have also simply beem luckier in the lotto getting the 2 pick 3 years in a row. But hell kuzma might be better than any of those guys taken at 2.

Phily is the interesting comparison. They started the "process" the same year as the suns and have had some major misses in okafor, noel, and mcw. But it sure looks like they got some hits in embiid and Simmons. Whats funny is people point at the misses when making fun of the process but really the whole point of the process was getting in the top 5 enough to be able to miss a couple times and still get a couple core players. What they also did that was smarter than the suns was use their cap space to absorb bad contracts and get picks from Sacramento instead of doing dumb **** like signing Tyson **** chandler. They also threw developmental minutes at a ton of young guys insteded of wasting them on vets like the suns did and for it they were able to find guys like Covington and Holmes. Their discipline and luck in the rebuild process trumped what the suns did.

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[Mjee]

Guys hate to say it but Bender and Chriss are nothing more than average roll players.... they are not players that you build a franchise around ! Top five pick in this years draft will be nice though

[Beetlejuice]

Just perplexing here...

Is Jackson`s hair getting in a way of his optimal elbow swing angle ?
This seems to cause his forehead torpedo free throw form also.

Must have crazy natural touch to make those flick jumpshots almost work at NBA level though.

Who is a great shooter with crazy hair, are there many examples of those , cant say that Jackson, Ball or Payton or even winslow are. Shumpert is almost ok but his hair is style has been giving for a normal swing angle if you tilt you head back a little.

Or is this kind of myth busted already and its just crazy fans looking for patterns/excuses in an effort to give their addiction a little bit more rope. Still ... #ChangehairGivehope

[LukasBMW]

Booker and TJ can't do it all themselves.

Tanking or not, I'd like to get them some help. We should be ready to include all of our picks (except our own this year) and Jackson/Chriss/Bender if we can snag a legit young 4/5.

We need inside scoring.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Just perplexing here...

Is Jackson`s hair getting in a way of his optimal elbow swing angle ?
This seems to cause his forehead torpedo free throw form also.

Must have crazy natural touch to make those flick jumpshots almost work at NBA level though.

Who is a great shooter with crazy hair, are there many examples of those , cant say that Jackson, Ball or Payton or even winslow are. Shumpert is almost ok but his hair is style has been giving for a normal swing angle if you tilt you head back a little.

Or is this kind of myth busted already and its just crazy fans looking for patterns/excuses in an effort to give their addiction a little bit more rope. Still ... #ChangehairGivehope

Ha there was actually an article written by some national writer about this last year with elfrid payton.

Who knows man maybe. Personally I think Jacksons mechanics need to be fixed and can be. My concern with him is he's not doing enough of the other things that made him an elite prospect. If his shot isn't falling he needs to help in other areas.

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[Beetlejuice]

Watching old Dudley play today after Bledsoe trade, it seems almost like we gave up a more valuable player in Bledsoe trade if were to consider future salary implications also, that man has a basketball gene. If we consider what a mess that trade started ... watching Dragic play today, i would definitely like to have him instead + whatever would have come with Dragic and Dudley staying for over what we have now.

I mean Duley+ 12 million for other player straight up is better than Bledsoe, is it even close ? I dont know.

I would be overjoyed if they would make me flip flop this sentiment soon obviously.

[SarcasticSun]

Amazing how teams that started their rebuild after us (Celtics, Lakers, 76ers etc) are all closer to being a winning program before the Suns.

This is an interesting thing to look at.

Boston to me is such a unique case because they started their rebuild by trading two hall of fame vets and just robbed the nets that its not fair to compare them to a normal rebuild. By getting those picks and pick swaps and the nets instantly being bad it allowed them to do the rare win and rebuild at the same time. They've done a good job with the picks so super hat tip to them but we may never see this senario play out again in our lifetime.

I'm not sure the lakers are really in that better of a spot than the suns other than the fact they are the lakers so might land some good fas next year and they have also simply beem luckier in the lotto getting the 2 pick 3 years in a row. But hell kuzma might be better than any of those guys taken at 2.

Phily is the interesting comparison. They started the "process" the same year as the suns and have had some major misses in okafor, noel, and mcw. But it sure looks like they got some hits in embiid and Simmons. Whats funny is people point at the misses when making fun of the process but really the whole point of the process was getting in the top 5 enough to be able to miss a couple times and still get a couple core players. What they also did that was smarter than the suns was use their cap space to absorb bad contracts and get picks from Sacramento instead of doing dumb **** like signing Tyson **** chandler. They also threw developmental minutes at a ton of young guys insteded of wasting them on vets like the suns did and for it they were able to find guys like Covington and Holmes. Their discipline and luck in the rebuild process trumped what the suns did.

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Spot on. At times we seem to be caught between we're going to trade our assets for a star and sign a star FA and we're going to build through the draft. You can't do both. Really makes you wonder where we would be right now if we didn't have that fluke first season under McD. Would we have fully committed to the tank and rebuilding through the draft?

[thamadkant]

Amazing how teams that started their rebuild after us (Celtics, Lakers, 76ers etc) are all closer to being a winning program before the Suns.

stable coaching panel...


Players buying into it...

[thamadkant]

Just perplexing here...

Is Jackson`s hair getting in a way of his optimal elbow swing angle ?
This seems to cause his forehead torpedo free throw form also.

Must have crazy natural touch to make those flick jumpshots almost work at NBA level though.

Who is a great shooter with crazy hair, are there many examples of those , cant say that Jackson, Ball or Payton or even winslow are. Shumpert is almost ok but his hair is style has been giving for a normal swing angle if you tilt you head back a little.

Or is this kind of myth busted already and its just crazy fans looking for patterns/excuses in an effort to give their addiction a little bit more rope. Still ... #ChangehairGivehope

we already (I anyways) already brought this up... players with big hair affecting their shot... but some guy or gal lurker debated with me and said Jackson has been shooting like this since high school... I don't care... I still think big hair on athletes are stupid.