All Things Luka Doncic

narcolepsy · Post #1961 » by **narcolepsy** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 9:19 pm

Maccabi took advantage of Real's injuries and just dominated on the offensive glass. 18 offensive rebounds is just way too much, which resulted in so many second and third opporunities to score. Overall a pretty bad shooting performance by Real. They came out hot and scored 30 in the first quarter, but after that Maccabi started playing much more physical basketball. Unfortunately some open 3 point shots didnt go in (8/34 3P).
As for Luka, he also struggled with his shooting (5/14 FG, 7 3PA), but ended the game with 19/6/6 and 30 PIR. I hope he gets more aggressive on defensive end. I feel like a lot of times he doesnt commit a small foul to get out of defensive disadvantage, even if Real isnt in bonus and he' isnt in foul trouble.

Mirotic12 · Post #1962 » by **Mirotic12** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:42 pm

reanimator wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Who is debating this? I've seen some say play him at PG but never the 2. Personally, I think he is a 3/4.

He played very well as a 2 on SLovenian team and he pretty much plays 2 with Campazzo. He is point guard with size, why would you think he is a 4?

Europe isn't the NBA. You don't want him dribbling against or defending PGs IMO and I'm very skeptical of his ability to create separation at either guard spot.

Thats not me saying he won't be onball and I understand we are in a switch heavy league but I think he will be more effective at forward.

He's not usually playing against point guards in Europe. He's mainly playing as a 2/3, with both Slovenian national team, and with Real Madrid. For example, Real's main point guard is Facu Campazzo. I know this keeps getting repeated here, but for some reason, a lot of people keep saying he's playing against point guards - when he actually isn't for the most part.

He occasionally posts up a point guard on a switch, and that's about it.

narcolepsy wrote:Maccabi took advantage of Real's injuries and just dominated on the offensive glass. 18 offensive rebounds is just way too much, which resulted in so many second and third opporunities to score. Overall a pretty bad shooting performance by Real. They came out hot and scored 30 in the first quarter, but after that Maccabi started playing much more physical basketball. Unfortunately some open 3 point shots didnt go in (8/34 3P).
As for Luka, he also struggled with his shooting (5/14 FG, 7 3PA), but ended the game with 19/6/6 and 30 PIR. I hope he gets more aggressive on defensive end. I feel like a lot of times he doesnt commit a small foul to get out of defensive disadvantage, even if Real isnt in bonus and he' isnt in foul trouble.

Maccabi's offensive game looks really poor. It's almost nothing but guys going ISO on the perimeter, jacking up 3s on the break, and bigs constantly crashing the boards, and making dives to the basket. Most simplistic offense in EuroLeague in years.

atlantabbq99 · Post #1963 » by **atlantabbq99** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:14 am

This Luka hype reminds me of the Exum, Rubio, and Mario Hezonja hype casual fans had a few years ago.

But evaluating Luka's game, he reminds me of Lonzo Ball, good ball handling with poor shooting and sub par athleticism. One thing i do like about Luka is that he does seem to have a more aggressive attitude than Lonzo.

Jkam31 · Post #1964 » by **Jkam31** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:33 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:This Luka hype reminds me of the Exum, Rubio, and Mario Hezonja hype casual fans had a few years ago.

But evaluating Luka's game, he reminds me of Lonzo Ball, good ball handling with poor shooting and sub par athleticism. One thing i do like about Luka is that he does seem to have a more aggressive attitude than Lonzo.

Comparing Lonzo and Doncic should be a ban-able offense

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CjayC · Post #1965 » by **CjayC** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:03 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:This Luka hype reminds me of the Exum, Rubio, and Mario Hezonja hype casual fans had a few years ago.

But evaluating Luka's game, he reminds me of Lonzo Ball, good ball handling with poor shooting and sub par athleticism. One thing i do like about Luka is that he does seem to have a more aggressive attitude than Lonzo.

How is Doncic a poor shooter? Lonzo's shooting was a question mark, he was a 67% ft shooter in college and a release and a shooting form you can't really work with. Doncic is at 90% FTs, 56% FG, and 39% from 3 in a pro league with a much easier release.

UcanUwill · Post #1966 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:39 am

reanimator wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Who is debating this? I've seen some say play him at PG but never the 2. Personally, I think he is a 3/4.

He played very well as a 2 on SLovenian team and he pretty much plays 2 with Campazzo. He is point guard with size, why would you think he is a 4?

Europe isn't the NBA. You don't want him dribbling against or defending PGs IMO and I'm very skeptical of his ability to create separation at either guard spot.

Thats not me saying he won't be onball and I understand we are in a switch heavy league but I think he will be more effective at forward.

Disagree, I think he is NBA guard and good one at that.

jolbin · Post #1967 » by **jolbin** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:57 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:This Luka hype reminds me of the Exum, Rubio, and Mario Hezonja hype casual fans had a few years ago.

But evaluating Luka's game, he reminds me of Lonzo Ball, good ball handling with poor shooting and sub par athleticism. One thing i do like about Luka is that he does seem to have a more aggressive attitude than Lonzo.

poor shooting? Have you seen his percentages??
Comparing Luka to Lonzo is the same as saying Joel Embiid and Tyler Zeller are comparable as players

Wagonband · Post #1968 » by **Wagonband** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:43 am

Luka has the smoothest shot by far i've ever seen an 18y old have at this level. And imo his % will actually rise when he will have more catch and shoot opportunities, he takes mostly step back 3s now since Real lacks other creators to create for him.

He can easily be a 38-40% 3pt shooter in the NBA with a high volume imo

UcanUwill · Post #1969 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:13 am

Wagonband wrote:Luka has the smoothest shot by far i've ever seen an 18y old have at this level. And imo his % will actually rise when he will have more catch and shoot opportunities, he takes mostly step back 3s now since Real lacks other creators to create for him.

He can easily be a 38-40% 3pt shooter in the NBA with a high volume imo

Yeah, I have no worries about his shot. He is great at catch and shoot, but most of his shots now are off the dribble or/and very deep threes, yet he still shoots 39%. He can be elite shooter in no time. His finishing has also been very good.

Rn5ho · Post #1970 » by **Rn5ho** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:16 am

UcanUwill wrote:
Wagonband wrote:Luka has the smoothest shot by far i've ever seen an 18y old have at this level. And imo his % will actually rise when he will have more catch and shoot opportunities, he takes mostly step back 3s now since Real lacks other creators to create for him.

He can easily be a 38-40% 3pt shooter in the NBA with a high volume imo

Yeah, I have no worries about his shot. He is great at catch and shoot, but most of his shots now are off the dribble or/and very deep threes, yet he still shoots 39%. He can be elite shooter in no time. His finishing has also been very good.

I'd refrain from using statements like "in no time" around here, as that's basically what feeds the trolls. Definitely he has the potential to be elite shooter, but currently he's not that yet, also it's unlikely he'll become one in no time, but with experience and more progress, he can definitely get there.

Oscar9992 · Post #1971 » by **Oscar9992** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:02 pm

Leading Euroleague in scoring (21 PPG) while being 18.

Mirotic12 · Post #1972 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:31 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:This Luka hype reminds me of the Exum, Rubio, and Mario Hezonja hype casual fans had a few years ago.

But evaluating Luka's game, he reminds me of Lonzo Ball, good ball handling with poor shooting and sub par athleticism. One thing i do like about Luka is that he does seem to have a more aggressive attitude than Lonzo.

Lonza Ball in EuroLeague right now would be = a poor man's Nikos Zisis. Not Zisis, but a poor man's Zisis (in particular, Zisis without the ability to shoot and play defense - Zisis can shoot, and he's a good defender).

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=ABN&seasoncode=E2017

Doncic is a top 3 player in Europe.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=005929&seasoncode=E2017

I'm pretty confident that Doncic is much better than Ball is.

CjayC wrote:How is Doncic a poor shooter? Lonzo's shooting was a question mark, he was a 67% ft shooter in college and a release and a shooting form you can't really work with. Doncic is at 90% FTs, 56% FG, and 39% from 3 in a pro league with a much easier release.

Actually, Doncic is shooiting 47.9% from the field in EuroLeague. You are looking at 2 point field goal percentage, not overall field goal percentage.

So Doncic's actual shooting numbers so far in EuroLeague are:

48% FG
39% 3 PT
90% FT

In a 6 game sample size.

UcanUwill · Post #1973 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:50 pm

Real Madrid just signed Tavares. Very interesting fit.

reanimator · Post #1974 » by **reanimator** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:50 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
reanimator wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
He played very well as a 2 on SLovenian team and he pretty much plays 2 with Campazzo. He is point guard with size, why would you think he is a 4?

Europe isn't the NBA. You don't want him dribbling against or defending PGs IMO and I'm very skeptical of his ability to create separation at either guard spot.

Thats not me saying he won't be onball and I understand we are in a switch heavy league but I think he will be more effective at forward.

Disagree, I think he is NBA guard and good one at that.

Thats good you have an opinion but I don't agree.

Johnny Firpo · Post #1975 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:53 pm

reanimator wrote:Thats good you have an opinion but I don't agree.

The two-guard position in the NBA is currently lacking pretty badly, don't you agree? There are not a whole lot of explosive talents who can beat you from anywhere.

UcanUwill · Post #1976 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:04 pm

His skillset is all guard. I mean he can play forward, but he is a guard after all. And I dont buy this premise, that guarding SF's doesnt requirs less quickness or whatever. I think you want to keep Doncic as a guard, for him to keep his size advantage.

pelifan · Post #1977 » by **pelifan** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:57 pm

last time we've seen a young international prospect this accomplished at the highest level?

pelifan · Post #1978 » by **pelifan** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:03 pm

[quote="atlantabbq99"]This Luka hype reminds me of the Exum, Rubio, and Mario Hezonja hype casual fans had a few years ago.

But evaluating Luka's game, he reminds me of Lonzo Ball, good ball handling with poor shooting and sub par athleticism. One thing i do like about Luka is that he does seem to have a more aggressive attitude than Lonzo.[/quote]

Rubio had a decent amount of hype. Exum no. Hezojna barely played for the same team as Doncic, so lol at that comparison. The only recent international prospect with hype even close to Doncic is Bargs. Interesting you intentionally chose busts rather than Porzingis. an agenda much?

pacersGM · Post #1979 » by **pacersGM** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:12 am

Porzingis had almost no hype at all until the season started. Rubio had the most "WONDER BOY" hype in europe until doncic ever. Not comparing doncic/rubio so fanboys stay seated, just talking about hype. Hezonja far from the rubio hype.

SportsGuy8 · Post #1980 » by **SportsGuy8** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:54 am

Even this early in the season there's already strong indication that there are 6 teams that should end up at the bottom, with under 30 wins:
- Bulls
- Kings
- Suns
- Hawks
- Mavs
- Nets/Cavs (don't let the Nets' record fool you; with that said, they might fall out of this group only because they have no reason to tank at the end of the season)

All the other teams look like they're going to end up at least in mid-30, so there looks to be a substantial gap between these 6 teams and the rest.