11/7 - 9:30PM CST | G11: Oklahoma City Thunder at Denver Nuggets

[Kinglee]

When has he hunted for numbers? Hes deferred too much this year. Melo is still too big a part of the offense and Russ hasn't been himself.

Deferred too much?? He still has had the ball the most and taken the most the shots. What exactly is he differing? He needs the ball more? He needs more shots? The games the thunder have won he has actually shot less and distributed more. The key number for the team to win is his assist and turnovers. Assists up Turnovers down Thunder win more. Jacking up crazy shots isn't the answer.

Melo last night was 10/20 and 6/10 from the three point line if you watch the game he needed to be more involved not less. He clearly had the hot hand last night and Russ should have deferred more to him. But instead Russ tried to be the hero and failed. Until Russ learns what needs to be done on a nightly basis to win with other top end talent then the thunder will continue to get the same results. And everyone will blame the coach - Melo - PG - Roberson. But it all comes down to Russ

So the guy who needs to learn to win is literally the guy who's won the most? Melo is at this point the most one dimensional of the 3. He is in essence a glorified role player ideally and should be taking fewer shots. Russ has been poor by any standard. But Melo needs to be at most 3rd in pecking order offensively for.them to have any shot.

Nah, this can't be a serious post. Melo is the problem for the offense and Russ is deferring to him?

Melo is a one dimensional player? Ok, cool. His gift is scoring? Ok, cool again. Why are we complaining about him shooting, EFFICIENTLY, then saying he needs to shoot less for the LESS EFFICIENT to shoot more? This was a dumb post

[Kinglee]

When has he hunted for numbers? Hes deferred too much this year. Melo is still too big a part of the offense and Russ hasn't been himself.

Melo has been too big a part of the offense? So you want more shots for Russel or George or Roberson? Melo seems to be the only player along with Felton capable of carrying the offense. Are you serious?

Hes taking the most shots per minute. He shouldn't be. Hes not that good.

Carmelo shot attempts and offense isn't the problem. The 4th quarter when your hero takes the biggest role, IS. Keep deflecting though. KD /Harden left. Say what you want and whatever reason you state, the fact remain... They both walked away from Westbrook and so will PG/Melo.

[bondom34]

Deferred too much?? He still has had the ball the most and taken the most the shots. What exactly is he differing? He needs the ball more? He needs more shots? The games the thunder have won he has actually shot less and distributed more. The key number for the team to win is his assist and turnovers. Assists up Turnovers down Thunder win more. Jacking up crazy shots isn't the answer.

Melo last night was 10/20 and 6/10 from the three point line if you watch the game he needed to be more involved not less. He clearly had the hot hand last night and Russ should have deferred more to him. But instead Russ tried to be the hero and failed. Until Russ learns what needs to be done on a nightly basis to win with other top end talent then the thunder will continue to get the same results. And everyone will blame the coach - Melo - PG - Roberson. But it all comes down to Russ

So the guy who needs to learn to win is literally the guy who's won the most? Melo is at this point the most one dimensional of the 3. He is in essence a glorified role player ideally and should be taking fewer shots. Russ has been poor by any standard. But Melo needs to be at most 3rd in pecking order offensively for.them to have any shot.

Nah, this can't be a serious post. Melo is the problem for the offense and Russ is deferring to him?

Melo is a one dimensional player? Ok, cool. His gift is scoring? Ok, cool again. Why are we complaining about him shooting, EFFICIENTLY, then saying he needs to shoot less for the LESS EFFICIENT to shoot more? This was a dumb post

Melo is having an outlier year in efficiency and is mediocre. Outside mediocre scoring he does nothing else. Yes he needs a smaller role. Honestly they'd have been better keeping Kanter and Doug.

[bondom34]

Melo has been too big a part of the offense? So you want more shots for Russel or George or Roberson? Melo seems to be the only player along with Felton capable of carrying the offense. Are you serious?

Hes taking the most shots per minute. He shouldn't be. Hes not that good.

Carmelo shot attempts and offense isn't the problem. The 4th quarter when your hero takes the biggest role, IS. Keep deflecting though. KD /Harden left. Say what you want and whatever reason you state, the fact remain... They both walked away from Westbrook and so will PG/Melo.

Wait Harden walked? What did I miss?
Oh and KD literally said the opposite. Wow Melo stans do exist. Amazing. Its like late career Kobe stand.

[Atomic Punk]

Deferred too much?? He still has had the ball the most and taken the most the shots. What exactly is he differing? He needs the ball more? He needs more shots? The games the thunder have won he has actually shot less and distributed more. The key number for the team to win is his assist and turnovers. Assists up Turnovers down Thunder win more. Jacking up crazy shots isn't the answer.

Melo last night was 10/20 and 6/10 from the three point line if you watch the game he needed to be more involved not less. He clearly had the hot hand last night and Russ should have deferred more to him. But instead Russ tried to be the hero and failed. Until Russ learns what needs to be done on a nightly basis to win with other top end talent then the thunder will continue to get the same results. And everyone will blame the coach - Melo - PG - Roberson. But it all comes down to Russ

So the guy who needs to learn to win is literally the guy who's won the most? Melo is at this point the most one dimensional of the 3. He is in essence a glorified role player ideally and should be taking fewer shots. Russ has been poor by any standard. But Melo needs to be at most 3rd in pecking order offensively for.them to have any shot.

Nah, this can't be a serious post. Melo is the problem for the offense and Russ is deferring to him?

Melo is a one dimensional player? Ok, cool. His gift is scoring? Ok, cool again. Why are we complaining about him shooting, EFFICIENTLY, then saying he needs to shoot less for the LESS EFFICIENT to shoot more? This was a dumb post

No, its a serious post, it isn’t dumb, and it is spot on.

[NOOB77]

So the guy who needs to learn to win is literally the guy who's won the most? Melo is at this point the most one dimensional of the 3. He is in essence a glorified role player ideally and should be taking fewer shots. Russ has been poor by any standard. But Melo needs to be at most 3rd in pecking order offensively for.them to have any shot.

Won the most because he made it yo the finals with Durant Harden and ibaka. Basically had a more talented team than Melo has even played on. Melo made it to the WCF with Billups as the second best player. Russ made to the finals playing at best the 2nd star role. Maybe to win that is the role he needs to play?

If Melo is the 3rd option then that would alive him from most of the blame. If the first option was playing better then there would be no complaining about the third option.

It's easy to blame others when your favorite player is playing like crap. It always has to be someone else's fault. I use to be that way also.

I never said it wasn't on Russ. It is. That doesn't change him.being this teams best player and most sucessful. Oh and he was just as important if not more than KD. Melo has been past his prime for a while and needs to accept a smaller role. I am not convinced he will.

Russ has sucked.

Melo needs a smaller role.

Both are true. And lol at the last part, I didn't even know Melo stans were still a thing.

But Melo has taken a smaller role already. Going into last night he has taken the least amount of shots of the big 3. The ball has come out of his hands for the most part. He was getting most of his ISOs with the second unit. That is taking a lesser role. He was also the first one to say we need Russ to be Russ.

I get it most people do not like Melo's style of play. The Iso long 2 stuff isn't with the new age analytic type stuff. But in a team there should never be a "peeking order" The ball should find the best shot. When Russ is in the game he need to iginiate the offense and whoever the ball finds that who is atop of the pecking order. Some nights that is Russ. Some nights Melo. Some nights PG.

That is the problem with the team people worried about whose team it is. Whose the #1 option. Whose getting the most shots. In a team that doesnt matter. Our defense has been good enough THEY all need to drop the ego and get the best shot.

What is a Melo stan actually? I am here talking basketball. I called Russ out for being awful. Melo had a good game last night if he was bad I would say he was bad. I would really like to see him rebound better but after that he isnt going to change much if at all. He did play good D on Millsap. He is a scorer and even better catch and shoot player that is really why I like the adjument of not rotating Melo with the bench because he will go Iso with that group. Just need that second unit to find a way to score more and get out more in transition I think would help that unit.

[bondom34]

Won the most because he made it yo the finals with Durant Harden and ibaka. Basically had a more talented team than Melo has even played on. Melo made it to the WCF with Billups as the second best player. Russ made to the finals playing at best the 2nd star role. Maybe to win that is the role he needs to play?

If Melo is the 3rd option then that would alive him from most of the blame. If the first option was playing better then there would be no complaining about the third option.

It's easy to blame others when your favorite player is playing like crap. It always has to be someone else's fault. I use to be that way also.

I never said it wasn't on Russ. It is. That doesn't change him.being this teams best player and most sucessful. Oh and he was just as important if not more than KD. Melo has been past his prime for a while and needs to accept a smaller role. I am not convinced he will.

Russ has sucked.

Melo needs a smaller role.

Both are true. And lol at the last part, I didn't even know Melo stans were still a thing.

But Melo has taken a smaller role already. Going into last night he has taken the least amount of shots of the big 3. The ball has come out of his hands for the most part. He was getting most of his ISOs with the second unit. That is taking a lesser role. He was also the first one to say we need Russ to be Russ.

I get it most people do not like Melo's style of play. The Iso long 2 stuff isn't with the new age analytic type stuff. But in a team there should never be a "peeking order" The ball should find the best shot. When Russ is in the game he need to iginiate the offense and whoever the ball finds that who is atop of the pecking order. Some nights that is Russ. Some nights Melo. Some nights PG.

That is the problem with the team people worried about whose team it is. Whose the #1 option. Whose getting the most shots. In a team that doesnt matter. Our defense has been good enough THEY all need to drop the ego and get the best shot.

What is a Melo stan actually? I am here talking basketball. I called Russ out for being awful. Melo had a good game last night if he was bad I would say he was bad. I would really like to see him rebound better but after that he isnt going to change much if at all. He did play good D on Millsap. He is a scorer and even better catch and shoot player that is really why I like the adjument of not rotating Melo with the bench because he will go Iso with that group. Just need that second unit to find a way to score more and get out more in transition I think would help that unit.

Except he's taking the most shots per minute which is what I stated. Hes arguably the worst defender and not a great playmaker relative to the other two. His main offense is long 2s and atv this point his role outsized what it should be. Ideally hes be 6th man.

Also I again have not said Russ isn't to blame. Hes been bad. Awful.even. But Melo is the one who should have the most reduced role by far and needs to do so.

And a Melo stan is someone who stans for Melo.

[Pillendreher]

And now look at the losses. I did it with our starters a couple of games ago and said that the bench was the only thing in those games. Our stars we're getting blown out in every single one of those games.

I'm at work right now, so I can't really do it myself.

They have been poor, but the team as a whole has been good, as has the defense until the 4th.

Russ-George-Melo last two games:

Q1: +47 NetRtG
Q2: -8.7 NetRtG
Q3: -30.3 NetRtG
Q4: -44.6 NetRtG

Defense is at its worst in the 4th, but that doesn't really matter because they stop playing winning basketball after the first 5 minutes or so.

[NOOB77]

I never said it wasn't on Russ. It is. That doesn't change him.being this teams best player and most sucessful. Oh and he was just as important if not more than KD. Melo has been past his prime for a while and needs to accept a smaller role. I am not convinced he will.

Russ has sucked.

Melo needs a smaller role.

Both are true. And lol at the last part, I didn't even know Melo stans were still a thing.

But Melo has taken a smaller role already. Going into last night he has taken the least amount of shots of the big 3. The ball has come out of his hands for the most part. He was getting most of his ISOs with the second unit. That is taking a lesser role. He was also the first one to say we need Russ to be Russ.

I get it most people do not like Melo's style of play. The Iso long 2 stuff isn't with the new age analytic type stuff. But in a team there should never be a "peeking order" The ball should find the best shot. When Russ is in the game he need to iginiate the offense and whoever the ball finds that who is atop of the pecking order. Some nights that is Russ. Some nights Melo. Some nights PG.

That is the problem with the team people worried about whose team it is. Whose the #1 option. Whose getting the most shots. In a team that doesnt matter. Our defense has been good enough THEY all need to drop the ego and get the best shot.

What is a Melo stan actually? I am here talking basketball. I called Russ out for being awful. Melo had a good game last night if he was bad I would say he was bad. I would really like to see him rebound better but after that he isnt going to change much if at all. He did play good D on Millsap. He is a scorer and even better catch and shoot player that is really why I like the adjument of not rotating Melo with the bench because he will go Iso with that group. Just need that second unit to find a way to score more and get out more in transition I think would help that unit.

Except he's taking the most shots per minute which is what I stated. Hes arguably the worst defender and not a great playmaker relative to the other two. His main offense is long 2s and atv this point his role outsized what it should be. Ideally hes be 6th man.

Also I again have not said Russ isn't to blame. Hes been bad. Awful.even. But Melo is the one who should have the most reduced role by far and needs to do so.

And a Melo stan is someone who stans for Melo.

He is taking the most shots per minute because he was rotated with the second unit and taking all those shots. When on the floor with all three he is more than likely taking the least amount of shots and very rarely ISOs with that group.

[Pillendreher]

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This is what I can’t figure out. Obviously how he wants us to play is the right way but it’s his job to get them to buy in to his philosophy. I also think it’s on the players too.

Oh of course it is. I mean the argument 'These are veterans; they should know how to play' certainly has merit.

[bondom34]

But Melo has taken a smaller role already. Going into last night he has taken the least amount of shots of the big 3. The ball has come out of his hands for the most part. He was getting most of his ISOs with the second unit. That is taking a lesser role. He was also the first one to say we need Russ to be Russ.

I get it most people do not like Melo's style of play. The Iso long 2 stuff isn't with the new age analytic type stuff. But in a team there should never be a "peeking order" The ball should find the best shot. When Russ is in the game he need to iginiate the offense and whoever the ball finds that who is atop of the pecking order. Some nights that is Russ. Some nights Melo. Some nights PG.

That is the problem with the team people worried about whose team it is. Whose the #1 option. Whose getting the most shots. In a team that doesnt matter. Our defense has been good enough THEY all need to drop the ego and get the best shot.

What is a Melo stan actually? I am here talking basketball. I called Russ out for being awful. Melo had a good game last night if he was bad I would say he was bad. I would really like to see him rebound better but after that he isnt going to change much if at all. He did play good D on Millsap. He is a scorer and even better catch and shoot player that is really why I like the adjument of not rotating Melo with the bench because he will go Iso with that group. Just need that second unit to find a way to score more and get out more in transition I think would help that unit.

Except he's taking the most shots per minute which is what I stated. Hes arguably the worst defender and not a great playmaker relative to the other two. His main offense is long 2s and atv this point his role outsized what it should be. Ideally hes be 6th man.

Also I again have not said Russ isn't to blame. Hes been bad. Awful.even. But Melo is the one who should have the most reduced role by far and needs to do so.

And a Melo stan is someone who stans for Melo.

He is taking the most shots per minute because he was rotated with the second unit and taking all those shots. When on the floor with all three he is more than likely taking the least amount of shots and very rarely ISOs with that group.

Per nbawowy.
231 minutes together
Melo 118 fga
PG 106
Russ 101

And yes he isos

[Pillendreher]

Except he's taking the most shots per minute which is what I stated. Hes arguably the worst defender and not a great playmaker relative to the other two. His main offense is long 2s and atv this point his role outsized what it should be. Ideally hes be 6th man.

Also I again have not said Russ isn't to blame. Hes been bad. Awful.even. But Melo is the one who should have the most reduced role by far and needs to do so.

And a Melo stan is someone who stans for Melo.

He is taking the most shots per minute because he was rotated with the second unit and taking all those shots. When on the floor with all three he is more than likely taking the least amount of shots and very rarely ISOs with that group.

Per nbawowy.
231 minutes together
Melo 118 fga
PG 106
Russ 101

And yes he isos

He has the lowest USG% tho



My God, look at Russ TS% with both those guys on the floor.

[bondom34]

He is taking the most shots per minute because he was rotated with the second unit and taking all those shots. When on the floor with all three he is more than likely taking the least amount of shots and very rarely ISOs with that group.

Per nbawowy.
231 minutes together
Melo 118 fga
PG 106
Russ 101

And yes he isos

He has the lowest USG% tho



My God, look at Russ TS% with both those guys on the floor.

TOs bump his usage. And his overall TS is like 48. Something is up.

[getrichordie]

Russell took ownership for the team’s struggles after the Kings loss:

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/11/08/russell-westbrook-vows-oklahoma-city-thunder-will-be-better-after-loss

And then Denver happened.

What next?

I heard they had a team meeting. Apparently the coming to Jesus meeting is already happening.

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