Fultz vs. Tatum: What do you think now?

[Duke4life831]

Yeah not to beat a dead horse, but it still blows me away. Tatum's scouting report is really the clearest example I can think of where people completely out thought themselves with regards to his shooting. Most people are left wondering if players can develop a shot at all. Expanding his range? Easy as hell compared to having to develop a shot from ground up like a lot of prospects.

I actually think a lot of Tatum's scouting reports and what you heard on TV before the draft just shows how much people just regurgitate what they heard from someone else. Before his season at Duke Tatum was labeled as a ball stopper ISO scorer that struggled with range and was a bad defender. It didnt matter that he played very well in a team system, shot well from 3 or was the teams best defender. People already heard the previous thing, didnt watch the games and just regurgitated the same old scouting report.

I'm a victim of this in someways. I had Fultz number 1 because how could this many people be wrong. I was always a big Tatum fan regardless of all that stuff people would say but always had him behind Fultz for that reason.

Now Fultz hasn't a chance to prove himself yet obviously, but it definitely shows so far that the gap really shouldn't had been viewed as large as it was.

I think everyone is like this when you first watch a prospect. If you dont follow recruitment or college ball, the only thing you can really go off on is scouting reports whether it be online stuff like draft.net or ESPN. And when they all regurgitate the same thing, I cant blame people for thinking that is who the player is, because all they get to see is scouting reports and highlights on youtube.

[DarkAzcura]

I actually think a lot of Tatum's scouting reports and what you heard on TV before the draft just shows how much people just regurgitate what they heard from someone else. Before his season at Duke Tatum was labeled as a ball stopper ISO scorer that struggled with range and was a bad defender. It didnt matter that he played very well in a team system, shot well from 3 or was the teams best defender. People already heard the previous thing, didnt watch the games and just regurgitated the same old scouting report.

I'm a victim of this in someways. I had Fultz number 1 because how could this many people be wrong. I was always a big Tatum fan regardless of all that stuff people would say but always had him behind Fultz for that reason.

Now Fultz hasn't a chance to prove himself yet obviously, but it definitely shows so far that the gap really shouldn't had been viewed as large as it was.

I think everyone is like this when you first watch a prospect. If you dont follow recruitment or college ball, the only thing you can really go off on is scouting reports whether it be online stuff like draft.net or ESPN. And when they all regurgitate the same thing, I cant blame people for thinking that is who the player is, because all they get to see is scouting reports and highlights on youtube.

Yeah, occasionally I am able to completely ignore the scouting reports and come to my own conclusion. Brown and Tatum being the most recent examples for me personally. I wanted both guys (wanted Murray the most, though, in 2016). It's hard to ignore all of those people, though.

[Duke4life831]

I'm a victim of this in someways. I had Fultz number 1 because how could this many people be wrong. I was always a big Tatum fan regardless of all that stuff people would say but always had him behind Fultz for that reason.

Now Fultz hasn't a chance to prove himself yet obviously, but it definitely shows so far that the gap really shouldn't had been viewed as large as it was.

I think everyone is like this when you first watch a prospect. If you dont follow recruitment or college ball, the only thing you can really go off on is scouting reports whether it be online stuff like draft.net or ESPN. And when they all regurgitate the same thing, I cant blame people for thinking that is who the player is, because all they get to see is scouting reports and highlights on youtube.

Yeah, occasionally I am able to completely ignore the scouting reports and come to my own conclusion. Brown and Tatum being the most recent examples for me personally. I wanted both guys (wanted Murray the most, though, in 2016). It's hard to ignore all of those people, though.

Yup. You do the hold up one second, what is everyone seeing that Im not. And then you second guess yourself. I do the same.

[sam_I_am]

I never watched a single game of Fultz but his highlight videos were impressive. It looked like as if you were playing a video game and he would move in any direction necessary as if controlled by a joystick. It was confounding though how that much talent couldn’t win games in a weak conference. High upside but huge risk too. Once I was him interviewed I suspected he lacked the right personality type to be a winner. However, after draft he seemed more normal. I’m curious to see what happens. He seems like a good guy and I hope he is successful.

[NormanDale]

I think everyone is like this when you first watch a prospect. If you dont follow recruitment or college ball, the only thing you can really go off on is scouting reports whether it be online stuff like draft.net or ESPN. And when they all regurgitate the same thing, I cant blame people for thinking that is who the player is, because all they get to see is scouting reports and highlights on youtube.

Yup, I was kind of like this. My argument at the time was: who do you trust more when evaluating talent, Danny Ainge or the consensus of the league's scouts and GM's? I saw nothing in the history of Ainge's drafts to suggest that he deserved more trust than the consensus, especially in the lottery.

If Tatum and Brown continue to develop and can become efficient 20+ ppg scorers, that may change the analysis. The sample size is not that large that a couple big wins can't change my thinking.

Obviously, anything can still happen. We've barely seen Fultz play, and Tatum just hurt his ankle. But I have to give it to Danny for his analysis of Tatum. The guy is a stud, and I love watching him play. So I like the trade now.

[ConstableGeneva]

We got ourselves a real-life superhero. I don't even care what happens to Fultz at this point.

Spoiler:

He was clutch against the Hornets. Rook has the "it" factor.

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[shackles10]

We shouldn’t be surprised by this one since Tatum is used to beating up on Jordan’s teams from NC. This kid is special though!

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Side note apparently Tatum is huge en Francais!

[Writebloc]

http://celticswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/13/jayson-tatum-boston-celtics-toronto-raptors-highlights-crunch-time/amp/

Jayson Tatum comes alive in the fourth quarter...he guesses so
Jared Weiss

The Celtics have a clear closer on their roster in Kyrie Irving. But as he missed Sunday’s game for a mask fitting, Brad Stevens had to look elsewhere.

With the game on the line, yet again, Stevens went to Jayson Tatum. Good call.
Tatum attacked what could be loosely termed a triple team and saw the relatively diminutive Fred VanVleet as the lone man in front of him. Rather than pull up short or try to pass out, Tatum continued to attack, flipping a perfect finger roll over him.

“Yeah just playing off instinct and trying to find a way to get a shot off,” Tatum said when asked what he read on this play.

It gave the Celtics a crucial two-possession lead in crunch time, which they would eventually nearly blow. But Tatum continued to confirm that he is a go-to player, just a month into the 19-year-old’s career.

“He’s always been a guy that’s been wired to make plays and to score the ball, so it’s not a huge surprise that he feels comfortable in those moments,” Stevens said. “But in the last couple of games, and specifically Friday night, we really needed him to make those plays. Today he was playing more against close-outs because other people were drawing the attention instead of just individual isolation plays. And he took advantage of that.”

Asked for an eloquent response to Stevens, Tatum was posed with the question: “Are you comfortable in crunch time?”

“Uhh…yeah,” Tatum said. “I guess so.”

The more credit lauded at Tatum, the more he shyly bats it away. He conducts his interviews staring to the other side of the room. He looks uncomfortable in front of microphones and cameras.

Yet on the court, especially in crunch time, he is in full control.

“I think that’s where Jayson comes alive,” Jaylen Brown said. “A lot of players on this team come alive in the fourth quarter, and Jayson is one of them. When the game is on the line is when we perform the best, and Jayson is one of those type of players that you give him the ball in the clutch, he can make something happen. Even in summer league he was making shots like that, just he’s beyond his years, and he’s going to continue to get better.”

Tatum is feeling out his opportunities and making the right decision most of the time.

“It’s just matchups. Sometimes when guys get a paint touch and kick it out and the defense is on their heels,” Tatum said. “That’s a sign that it’s a good time to attack, not always for your own shot but another paint threat.”

He had his moment and attacked it perfectly. He has been called for plenty of offensive fouls this season, unsurprising for an aggressively driving rookie. But he made the play in perfect form Sunday and there will be plenty more to come.

[claycarver]

Mr Fantastic splitting the defense

[Kolkmania]

The Celtics have a clear closer on their roster in Kyrie Irving. But as he missed Sunday’s game for a mask fitting, Brad Stevens had to look elsewhere.

With the game on the line, yet again, Stevens went to Jayson Tatum. Good call.
Tatum attacked what could be loosely termed a triple team and saw the relatively diminutive Fred VanVleet as the lone man in front of him. Rather than pull up short or try to pass out, Tatum continued to attack, flipping a perfect finger roll over him.

Perhaps I missed a FG, but I didn't see a play with a triple team in the loosest sense of the word haha. Is he referring to this play?

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[akhan786]

Did anyone watch Paul George when he was 19? Was he this good?

I think by the end of the season, we won't have any good comparisons for him.

[DelMonte West]

Did anyone watch Paul George when he was 19? Was he this good?

I think by the end of the season, we won't have any good comparisons for him.

I think a less explosive, bigger Scottie Pippen is his ceiling. He has a lot of untapped potential defensively. So impressed with this kid. He's going to be our best player for years to come.