Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

bravor · Post #1521 » by **bravor** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:45 am

It does not make sense to argue about Lamb or Batum as if they were franchise players. If there is a great opportunity, of course Cho has to take it. But as said above, Batum's contract is hard to move and there is no point in moving him now if the return/cost is bad (his former team did it, and you know, well...).

The main advantage of having Lamb here is his contract. His stats don't make this team win games so far. Having a Bradley type would be a whole other story as he would complement Kemba ideally. But to consider Lamb as a keeper at this stage of the season (5-6) is ridiculous.
I stick to what i thought when i arrived here, Kemba, MKG and Cody are the real keepers. Now Monk and Bacon obviously (promising rookies and rookie contracts). All the other pieces should be used to improve the line up.

Snidely FC · Post #1522 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:12 pm

MKG + JOB to NYK for Courtney Lee + Kyle O'Quinn

Post #1523 » by **Diop** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:28 pm

With mkgs status in the air I can't see him being traded.

Post #1524 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:06 pm

I would wait for next season to trade him, trading him now could push him over the edge.

Post #1525 » by **fatlever** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 10:34 pm

Savage. -23 wins. Frank for Portis.

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Braggins · Post #1526 » by **Braggins** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 6:48 am

amcoolio wrote:Monk's court vision is great. He is going to be a really good player.

Consolidate MKG/Marvin/Frank/1st round pick for Kevin Love and Shumpert

Ive been thinking about how far I would go to get Kevin Love. I feel like we don't really have any specific holes we need to fill, but we do need a talent upgrade somewhere to pair another 1st/2nd option with Kemba, so a consolidation trade makes sense. I actually would still rather trade Batum than MKG. Batum might be a little better in the short term, but I think his value relative to his contract and age make him the less valuable long term piece and he also probably has more trade value than MKG, which makes him the better option to flip imo. I also still think that MKG might actually be the more important player for us in general. The only way I can see us being upper tier elite on either side of the ball in the short term is with the MKG/Howard defensive combo, which I think can make us a top 3-5 defensive team. Batum is a weak defender and I don't think he even will propel us to a top 10 offense. I like the idea of sticking with the defense first mentality for now and hoping the emergence of Monk over the next few years takes us to another level offensively. I'm not sure if Love will actually become available, but some package centered around Batum + one of Cody/Frank/Marv + a future 1st for someone like Love is pretty intriguing.

Bassman · Post #1527 » by **Bassman** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:50 am

I've always liked Love, despite his very average defense. Next to Dwight he would be a tremendous addition to this team. Our 4 spot is a significant weakness. Braggins deal is good to me, but Cavs wouldn't do it unless they were cashing out knowing Lebron is gone.

HornetJail · Post #1528 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:55 pm

Bassman wrote:I've always liked Love, despite his very average defense. Next to Dwight he would be a tremendous addition to this team. Our 4 spot is a significant weakness. Braggins deal is good to me, but Cavs wouldn't do it unless they were cashing out knowing Lebron is gone.

Very average? Love is straight garbage on defense. I have no issues with a Howard/Love/Lamb/Batum/Kemba lineup offensively, but that lineup is tragic on defense unless Nic rediscovers his Portland defensive abilities. Any Kevin Love trade should not be at the expense of MKG. I have no desire to see the Hornets repeating as the worst 3P% defense in the league.

Post #1529 » by **Diop** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:15 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
Bassman wrote:I've always liked Love, despite his very average defense. Next to Dwight he would be a tremendous addition to this team. Our 4 spot is a significant weakness. Braggins deal is good to me, but Cavs wouldn't do it unless they were cashing out knowing Lebron is gone.

Very average? Love is straight garbage on defense. I have no issues with a Howard/Love/Lamb/Batum/Kemba lineup offensively, but that lineup is tragic on defense unless Nic rediscovers his Portland defensive abilities. Any Kevin Love trade should not be at the expense of MKG. I have no desire to see the Hornets repeating as the worst 3P% defense in the league.

yeah as mediocre as Marv has been playing at least he can switch and guard ok.

Get Love and watch him get destroyed in the pick n roll, which probably leads to Dwight getting in foul trouble.

Braggins · Post #1530 » by **Braggins** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:18 am

Love has gotten better at defense. Marv is still at least a bit better, but its probably pretty marginal at this point. I'd definitely want to keep MKG if we were getting love (and in general).

Kemba/Lamb/MKG/Love/Howard

Post #1531 » by **JDR720** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:59 pm

Im not interested in love. They wont give him away for role players, that would signal LeBron is leaving.

Bassman · Post #1532 » by **Bassman** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:37 pm

JDR720 wrote:Im not interested in love. They wont give him away for role players, that would signal LeBron is leaving.

Which is probably the case with any player with talent worth trading for. We are, again, doomed to the players we've assembled. Better group than last year, and with some promise for the future in Monk and Bacon, but still in perpetually mediocre mode.

Post #1533 » by **JDR720** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:50 pm

Bassman wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Im not interested in love. They wont give him away for role players, that would signal LeBron is leaving.

Which is probably the case with any player with talent worth trading for. We are, again, doomed to the players we've assembled. Better group than last year, and with some promise for the future in Monk and Bacon, but still in perpetually mediocre mode.

the best move for us if we miss the playoffs (or dont make the 2nd round IMO) would be an offseason blow it up rebuild. including cliff and cho.

we didn't trade for dwight, give marv a bad contract and give nic stupid money to be a mediocre team. gonna have to dump a bank on kemba too pretty soon. lamb and dwight expires at that time too.

Benjamin Linus · Post #1534 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:12 pm

I would be all for blowing it up and rebuilding if we missed the playoffs, but I don't think MJ could handle another full rebuild. If anything, we would do what the Pacers do and shuffle some pieces around, maybe get a little younger but never fully tank while still trying to compete for a playoff spot.

Which is fine, I guess. But I think their sights are set pretty hard on making the playoffs this year. I have this weird feeling they'll double down on building around Dwight and trade Cody or MKG for more outside shooting.

amcoolio · Post #1535 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:05 pm

We can't blow it up with a freshly signed max contract and two long term expensive contracts in Marvin and Dwight that no team will take unless we give value

Benjamin Linus · Post #1536 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:26 pm

We'll probably continue being in the same zone we've been in the last few years of being a low-seeded playoff team to just missing the playoffs. Without a full rebuild, our best bet is to keep all of our draft picks and whenever possible, try to acquire more picks, and maybe... just maybe hit the jackpot with one of them. I know it's a longshot considering our draft history, but it's the only way we'll take the next step.

Post #1537 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:48 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:I don't think MJ could handle another full rebuild.

Nor could the vast majority of the Hornets fanbase.

KnickFan33 · Post #1538 » by **KnickFan33** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:04 pm

I'm thinking the Hornets are better off starting Zeller. Think your front office might be interested in a package for Howard centered around Tim Hardaway Jr. and Kyle O'Quinn? Hardaway would be a nice second option or 6th man, and O'Quinn would be a nice backup to Zeller.

I do think that leaves you with too many wings though, so perhaps more would have to be added on each side to balance out rosters.

316Hornets · Post #1539 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:09 pm

KnickFan33 wrote:I'm thinking the Hornets are better off starting Zeller. Think your front office might be interested in a package for Howard centered around Tim Hardaway Jr. and Kyle O'Quinn? Hardaway would be a nice second option or 6th man, and O'Quinn would be a nice backup to Zeller.

I do think that leaves you with too many wings though, so perhaps more would have to be added on each side to balance out rosters.

The absolute last thing this team needs is another sg.

KnickFan33 · Post #1540 » by **KnickFan33** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:10 pm

316Hornets wrote:
KnickFan33 wrote:I'm thinking the Hornets are better off starting Zeller. Think your front office might be interested in a package for Howard centered around Tim Hardaway Jr. and Kyle O'Quinn? Hardaway would be a nice second option or 6th man, and O'Quinn would be a nice backup to Zeller.

I do think that leaves you with too many wings though, so perhaps more would have to be added on each side to balance out rosters.

The absolute last thing this team needs is another sg.

Hence the last sentence of having to things to balance rosters out :lol:

But it's whatever, was just throwing an idea out there.