2018 NBA Draft

doordoor123 · Post #681 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:52 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
They are listing '99 players and don't even mention Georgios Kalaitzakis. This guy must be by far the most underrated prospect in Europe. He's much better than numerous players on that list.

Personally not sold on his fluidity, defense or handle. I'm pretty sure he's a 2-guard in the NBA, not a point. Having said that, he could develop into a nice roleplayer.

What do you mean not a point in the NBA? He's a small forward. Plays small forward in Greek junior national team, plays small forward in Panathinaikos junior team, and small forward in Panathinaikos senior team.

Why would him being a point guard or not in NBA even be an issue to bring up, when he never plays anything but small forward in Greece? Plus, he's 6-7 with a 6-11 wingspan (NBA small forward size)....why would he be playing point guard?

And as for his fluidity and defense...what do you mean? He's a super smooth player, a very fluid athlete, and he's got an absolutely sick handle. He's actually a better prospect in all of those aspects than Doncic is. Doncic's handle isn't nearly as good as Kalaitzakis' is. His two best attributes are his fluidity and his handle. Are you sure you are not confusing him with a totally different player?

Indeed, it seems he is by far the most underrated prospect in Europe. At least nbadraft.net correctly ranked him as the top talent at the under-18 European championship, so at least someone isn't overlooking him.

You're overrating him. He doesn't have a handle, he can barely get low enough to not get the ball stolen in the NBA, he's a below the rim player, and he's not fluid. I'm thinking of him at the NBA level. He might look good in Europe and all that stuff, but the NBA magnifies everything. He won't be a good defender in the NBA and he won't be able to create space off the dribble. He's lucky enough to have long arms and a high release though. Comparing him to Doncic is ridiculous, especially with the record Doncic has had until now. Doncic changes direction really **** well, so much so that it makes him unpredictable around the basket.

Mirotic12 · Post #682 » by **Mirotic12** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:03 am

doordoor123 wrote::lol: You're overrating him. He doesn't have a handle, he can barely get low enough to not get the ball stolen in the NBA, he's a below the rim player, and he's not fluid. I'm thinking of him at the NBA level. He might look good in Europe and all that stuff, but the NBA magnifies everything. He won't be a good defender in the NBA and he won't be able to create space off the dribble. He's lucky enough to have long arms and a high release though. Comparing him to Doncic is ridiculous, especially with the record Doncic has had until now. Doncic changes direction really **** well, so much so that it makes him unpredictable around the basket.

Next time just please say you never saw the player play before. There is zero possibility you know who Kalaitzakis is. You must definitely, without any doubt, at all, have him confused with a different player. "Below the rim player"....what the...?

No, this guy does not have a poor handle, he does not have a problem with fluidity, and he is not a below the rim player. Calling him a below the rim player - that is what is ridiculous.

Watch on YouTube

doordoor123 · Post #683 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:09 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote::lol: You're overrating him. He doesn't have a handle, he can barely get low enough to not get the ball stolen in the NBA, he's a below the rim player, and he's not fluid. I'm thinking of him at the NBA level. He might look good in Europe and all that stuff, but the NBA magnifies everything. He won't be a good defender in the NBA and he won't be able to create space off the dribble. He's lucky enough to have long arms and a high release though. Comparing him to Doncic is ridiculous, especially with the record Doncic has had until now. Doncic changes direction really **** well, so much so that it makes him unpredictable around the basket.

Next time just please say you never saw the player play before. There is zero possibility you know who Kalaitzakis is. You must definitely, without any doubt, at all, have him confused with a different player. "Below the rim player"....what the...?

No, this guy does not have a poor handle, he does not have a problem with fluidity, and he is not a below the rim player. Calling him a below the rim player - that is what is ridiculous.

Watch on YouTube

I watch Panathinaikos, so yes, I've seen him. And that video is just wrong.

Mirotic12 · Post #684 » by **Mirotic12** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:25 am

doordoor123 wrote:I watch Panathinaikos, so yes, I've seen him. And that video is just wrong.

He only practices with Panathinaikos, he never plays with them. So the video is wrong, the video showing multiple dunks is wrong...but your claim he is a below the rim player is right. OK then.

bulliedog8 · Post #685 » by **bulliedog8** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:50 am

REALLY hoping Gary Trent goes 1 and done. Would be a great mid teens pick.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #686 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:11 am

Ayton, Bamba, Bagley lived up to opening game hype and delivered big man numbers.

Porter injured after his first points.

Doncic continues his level in Euroleague.

Knox, Jackson, Diallo showed upside in their games as potential top 5 wreckers.

toussaud · Post #687 » by **toussaud** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:54 am

after what i saw... i would honestly take bamba first overall. dude's length is an absolute game changer. we talk about unicorns. i can only think of like, 3 guys in the nba that have had that type of wingspan. Yao Ming. big Geoerge. Bol. and he moves 4x better than any of them.

He's dekimbe moutumbo on peds

toussaud · Post #688 » by **toussaud** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:06 am

We seem to be gboing through a find the next unicorn phase of scouting. If you flash attributes that look unicorn lol, people rate you higher. But I remember looking at the all american game last year and instantly saying to myself ayton is heads and sholders the best of this class. He'll never be a unicorn but he is the type of talent that other teams are going to draft around to have to beat when he gets in his prime. he's patrick ewing david robinson good.

No-Man · Post #689 » by **No-Man** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:01 am

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blazeyo · Post #690 » by **blazeyo** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:51 am

Jaren Jackson is underrated. He is amazing.

Alatan · Post #691 » by **Alatan** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:44 pm

toussaud wrote:after what i saw... i would honestly take bamba first overall. dude's length is an absolute game changer. we talk about unicorns. i can only think of like, 3 guys in the nba that have had that type of wingspan. Yao Ming. big Geoerge. Bol. and he moves 4x better than any of them.

He's dekimbe moutumbo on peds

It's not just his length and mobility, the kid genuinely has a feel for basketball. He already has shown some skills and shooting touch. The only thing that worries me about him is his strength. But i think he can either bulk up or transition to a 4. I would pick him no 1 without question.

Justwar · Post #692 » by **Justwar** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:19 pm

Bols motor and feel really are his biggest concerns. I think he's more interested in the lifestyle vs being really great. He has the pure tools to be the best player in the class and a elite NBA big. The right coaches in hs and college would make all the difference. Going to Findlay prep will help

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King Ken · Post #693 » by **King Ken** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:34 pm

toussaud wrote:We seem to be gboing through a find the next unicorn phase of scouting. If you flash attributes that look unicorn lol, people rate you higher. But I remember looking at the all american game last year and instantly saying to myself ayton is heads and sholders the best of this class. He'll never be a unicorn but he is the type of talent that other teams are going to draft around to have to beat when he gets in his prime. he's patrick ewing david robinson good.

In what world is Ayton not a unicorn? He's 7' with 7'6 wingspan, an elite standing reach, elite vertical, good feel for the game, good hands and a soft touch and has the potential to be a great NBA shooter. He's an Anthony Davis type unicorn.

doordoor123 · Post #694 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:11 pm

Justwar wrote:Bols motor and feel really are his biggest concerns. I think he's more interested in the lifestyle vs being really great. He has the pure tools to be the best player in the class and a elite NBA big. The right coaches in hs and college would make all the difference. Going to Findlay prep will help

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I see that, but I also think he's still going to be good. Even if he doesn't want to be really great, with his profile and ability, he will be anyway. He's like Nerlens Noel on drugs. When you're that long and mobile AND you can shoot threes? That's money.

Justwar · Post #695 » by **Justwar** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:22 pm

Nerlens noel motor was never questioned, and some of the quickest hands, first leap of anyone. Bol gets his blocks based on size, not instincts. He does have that jump shot on him but unless bol plays much harder, he will struggle in future levels. I just see him as a taller Perry Jones until he changes his effort.

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doordoor123 · Post #696 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:20 am

Alabama is has some really interesting players. I think they'll be a good team later in the year, and when Sexton returns.

Justwar · Post #697 » by **Justwar** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:34 am

Ncaa really went soft last couple years in terms of getting benefits, five years ago and he's sitting most of the season. I bet him and the assistant on Alabama in trouble talked first to the fbi and ncaa to cut a silent deal. Although could be off and two years from now retroactively suspend him while he's in the nba #ncaacompliancesucks

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doordoor123 · Post #698 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:54 am

Justwar wrote:Ncaa really went soft last couple years in terms of getting benefits, five years ago and he's sitting most of the season. I bet him and the assistant on Alabama in trouble talked first to the fbi and ncaa to cut a silent deal. Although could be off and two years from now retroactively suspend him while he's in the nba #ncaacompliancesucks

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Sexton is only missing one game, which is kind of ridiculous. But they also have other good young players. They look really long and athletic this year. Should be a good defensive team by the end of the year.

916fan · Post #699 » by **916fan** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:18 am

WalterBenjamin wrote:www.thestepien.com
With the absence of draftexpres this will fill the vacum.

cool site, only grip I have is them using the word "playmaker" for offensive roles.. Difference makers might be more suitable? Playmakers are players who can run an offense and create plays for others. Ayton and Wendell Carters aren't playmakers lol.

916fan · Post #700 » by **916fan** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:20 am

bulliedog8 wrote:REALLY hoping Gary Trent goes 1 and done. Would be a great mid teens pick.

Mold of Luke Kennard and Malik Monk. I'm not high on those players...but they're guys who seem unbustable because at the very least, they're bench SGs. I think he would be smart to declare. He might take the Grayson Allen route and become a 4-year player though.