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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2021 » by burek3 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:18 am

Fight4 wrote:If this is by any chance read by someone who knows Doncic or can reach him. Give him this info:
Hire a proffesional coach specificaly for phisical preparedness (basketball coaches do not have the required knowledge).
If you are willing to work hard, you can through consistent exercises for next 2 to 3 year, reach levels of physical abilities you cannot even imagine right now. There will be sacrificed through this period, both in your private life and career, but time invested now, will reward you for the rest of your life. Put specific emphasis on exercise for leg strength and explosiveness but always train your whole body as a whole, or you will suffer injuries.
Remember this quote: The harder I work, the luckier I get.


I believe he already knows this. It cannot be a coincidence that so far he made all the right choices in his career. The kid is smart, he surrounds himself with the right people.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2022 » by deb » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:40 am

He has a long term deal with Real. Has he ever talked about or hinted at coming to the NBA for the 18/19 season? If he doesn't come over, that could additionally hurt his stock.

For that matter, has he even confirmed attending the 2018 draft?
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2023 » by Thespianoid » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:43 am

Fight4 wrote:His lack of quickness is a result of his body type. First let me tell you that Doncic has excellent frame for someone at 18 years old, one of the best body types you could possibly want. Now back to quckness or lack of. He has heavy legs, which are naturaly unresponsive (do not apear explosive). This kind of legs are extremely strong and resilient, but not quick. Good news is that quickness and explosiveness can be trained into them.


this I 100% agree with. his lower body/running motion right now has deteriorated from his P3 training (pre-2015-2016) and has issues, but as long as he goes back to P3 consistently every summer, he will get the best training and maximize his genetic athletic ability.

Fight4 wrote:Doncic can become one of the most athletic players in the NBA, but he will need to put thousands hours of work into doing correct physical exercises.

I put that statement in bold, because I know some people will have a problem with it and try to offer their expert opinion on how wrong I am.

The difference between them and me is that I have trained for years, put thousands of hours into exercises which are way more demanding then anything most basketball players will ever do. I also have similar type of body as Doncic, so I know exactly what problems he has to overcome. For people who will want to respond to this, I got no interest to debate, do not waste time writing some over-emotional response full of opinions based on nothing.


I'm not sure about the bolded. Don't think he can become one of the most athletic players in the NBA, simply due to genetics, but I'm not an expert nor know anything in the field. But 100% he can increase his athleticism, and it's not a difficult process at all.

Fight4 wrote:If this is by any chance read by someone who knows Doncic or can reach him. Give him this info:
Hire a proffesional coach specificaly for phisical preparedness (basketball coaches do not have the required knowledge).
If you are willing to work hard, you can through consistent exercises for next 2 to 3 year, reach levels of physical abilities you cannot even imagine right now. There will be sacrificed through this period, both in your private life and career, but time invested now, will reward you for the rest of your life. Put specific emphasis on exercise for leg strength and explosiveness but always train your whole body as a whole, or you will suffer injuries.
Remember this quote: The harder I work, the luckier I get.


If you have a Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/luka7doncic
https://twitter.com/P3sportscience

let them know and maybe we might see some progress in the future.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2024 » by pacersGM » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:54 am

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pacersGM wrote:I never said doncic peaked as a complete player, but is close to his peak when we are talking about explosiveness and quickness.

And when we are talking about potential and complete players. Burst quickness and explosiveness are a big part of that package, and doncic will never be a complete package because of his lack there of. So no HOF stratosphere prediction here. If he becomes a great shooter in no time like the word around here goes, then he becomes kyle korver/if shooting will be his special skill. If he becomes good at everything then he is a valuable starter in the nba / hayward production / status max.


I don't comment a lot, but I also cannot allow this stupidity to continue.

No 18 years old person on this planet ever peacked physicaly or mentaly at 18 years. This is a fact, this is reality, this is biology.

Only way you reach your peak at 18 is, if you die before turning 19 (I know it's a contradicting statement, but it serves the purpose).

Now specificaly about Doncic

Doncic is not physically well prepared, even by standards of amateur athletes. Not only is he not in shape but it's clear he never had a proper consistent physical exercises. This is normal for 18 years old, there's nothing wrong with it, but his body is now mature and he needs to start working on it.

His lack of quickness is a result of his body type. First let me tell you that Doncic has excellent frame for someone at 18 years old, one of the best body types you could possibly want. Now back to quckness or lack of. He has heavy legs, which are naturaly unresponsive (do not apear explosive). This kind of legs are extremely strong and resilient, but not quick. Good news is that quickness and explosiveness can be trained into them.

Doncic can become one of the most athletic players in the NBA, but he will need to put thousands hours of work into doing correct physical exercises.

I put that statement in bold, because I know some people will have a problem with it and try to offer their expert opinion on how wrong I am.

The difference between them and me is that I have trained for years, put thousands of hours into exercises which are way more demanding then anything most basketball players will ever do. I also have similar type of body as Doncic, so I know exactly what problems he has to overcome. For people who will want to respond to this, I got no interest to debate, do not waste time writing some over-emotional response full of opinions based on nothing.

If this is by any chance read by someone who knows Doncic or can reach him. Give him this info:
Hire a proffesional coach specificaly for phisical preparedness (basketball coaches do not have the required knowledge).
If you are willing to work hard, you can through consistent exercises for next 2 to 3 year, reach levels of physical abilities you cannot even imagine right now. There will be sacrificed through this period, both in your private life and career, but time invested now, will reward you for the rest of your life. Put specific emphasis on exercise for leg strength and explosiveness but always train your whole body as a whole, or you will suffer injuries.
Remember this quote: The harder I work, the luckier I get.


Dude, the above is absurd, and if most of you doncics OBJECTIVE high ceiling guys dont admit that, this post is a joke and everyones supposed OBJECTIVE observations can be flushed down the toiled.this is just insanely funny for real :)
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2025 » by narcolepsy » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:00 pm

jonjames wrote:I consider Russell a future perennial allstar so if this kid projects much better than Russell..were talking about a future HOF generational player..idk about that but we shall see how it unfolds.


Well we are talking about a guy who won Eurobasket and was picked into ideal lineup at 18. He's also leading the Euroleague in scoring and overall production, so calling him a generational player at this point is correct.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2026 » by AJ3 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:41 pm

He has really impressed me i've never seen a Young basketball player be this dominant at 18. Now the problem is Luka is in uncharted territory and that is why this forum topic is over 100 pages long, because he could be a superstar or he could have peaked already ( which btw at 18 seems absurd).

The only thing we can take for comparison is Luka himself and the way he has developed in the past 2 years while playing for Real Madrid main team. And so far i'd like to think that his development curve has been insane, it has to slow down at some point right? Anyone with a bit of common sense would think that way, but Luka just keeps proving the opposite, he just got MVP for October he keeps on performing well ( with the exception of illness he had, we could all see it took a toll on him ).

Maybe his biggest enemy Will be pacing himself throughout the season, if he can somehow manage to not fall off or get an injury due to the amount of games he Will play then he can keep developing.

What really strikes me about this kid tho is his maturity level and his ability to handle pressure, he puts his heart into every game he plays and he doesn't really get complacent his mother and father both say that he is really down to earth when it comes to a lot of things and he Works hard every day and his love for basketball is undeniable. I mean a lot of you have been discussing his athleticism but what about his mental state? Isn't that as if not even more important, given that you are good enough to compete of course.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2027 » by Juree93 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:03 pm

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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2028 » by UcanUwill » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:25 pm

They probably put Hanga on Doncic. Should be a good test.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2029 » by XTraderXL » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:31 pm

Everything fight4 says is correct except that he can be one of the most athletic players in the league. However, he can reach leve of athleticism that he will be able to consistently drive and finish in traffic and not be a liability in iso situations.

I know for a fact what athletic training can do for a player if its done correctly. You would be surprised what you can do if you put the time and effort in it. I actually think its much easier to train your body to maximize your athletic potential than to advance your skills. You just need to work hard, eat right and get enough rest. Thats it. Luka clearly hasnt done enough on his body yet, if he did he would look much different. He has a certain type of body and he will never be a LBJ type of athlete but he can get much more explosive and stronger with added weight. If he doesnt improve in this area, its all on him and/or the coaches. It is that simple.
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Post#2030 » by XTraderXL » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:32 pm

UcanUwill wrote:They probably put Hanga on Doncic. Should be a good test.


If they do, Doncic will destroy Barca. He had all of his best games last year with Hanga on him when he was at Baskonia. Just check the stats :D
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2031 » by UcanUwill » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:35 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:They probably put Hanga on Doncic. Should be a good test.


If they do, Doncic will destroy Barca. He had all of his best games last year with Hanga on him when he was at Baskonia. Just check the stats :D


Real should win anyway, Barca is not in its prime nowadays. A lot will depend on Heurtel I imagine.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2032 » by juanc » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:49 pm

Does someone know if Tavares is playing? It will be interesting to see how he functions with Luka.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2033 » by Juree93 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:51 pm

juanc wrote:Does someone know if Tavares is playing? It will be interesting to see how he functions with Luka.


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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2034 » by jonjames » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:57 pm

Fight4 wrote:
pacersGM wrote:I never said doncic peaked as a complete player, but is close to his peak when we are talking about explosiveness and quickness.

And when we are talking about potential and complete players. Burst quickness and explosiveness are a big part of that package, and doncic will never be a complete package because of his lack there of. So no HOF stratosphere prediction here. If he becomes a great shooter in no time like the word around here goes, then he becomes kyle korver/if shooting will be his special skill. If he becomes good at everything then he is a valuable starter in the nba / hayward production / status max.


I don't comment a lot, but I also cannot allow this stupidity to continue.

No 18 years old person on this planet ever peacked physicaly or mentaly at 18 years. This is a fact, this is reality, this is biology.

Only way you reach your peak at 18 is, if you die before turning 19 (I know it's a contradicting statement, but it serves the purpose).

Now specificaly about Doncic

Doncic is not physically well prepared, even by standards of amateur athletes. Not only is he not in shape but it's clear he never had a proper consistent physical exercises. This is normal for 18 years old, there's nothing wrong with it, but his body is now mature and he needs to start working on it.

His lack of quickness is a result of his body type. First let me tell you that Doncic has excellent frame for someone at 18 years old, one of the best body types you could possibly want. Now back to quckness or lack of. He has heavy legs, which are naturaly unresponsive (do not apear explosive). This kind of legs are extremely strong and resilient, but not quick. Good news is that quickness and explosiveness can be trained into them.

Doncic can become one of the most athletic players in the NBA, but he will need to put thousands hours of work into doing correct physical exercises.

I put that statement in bold, because I know some people will have a problem with it and try to offer their expert opinion on how wrong I am.

The difference between them and me is that I have trained for years, put thousands of hours into exercises which are way more demanding then anything most basketball players will ever do. I also have similar type of body as Doncic, so I know exactly what problems he has to overcome. For people who will want to respond to this, I got no interest to debate, do not waste time writing some over-emotional response full of opinions based on nothing.

If this is by any chance read by someone who knows Doncic or can reach him. Give him this info:
Hire a proffesional coach specificaly for phisical preparedness (basketball coaches do not have the required knowledge).
If you are willing to work hard, you can through consistent exercises for next 2 to 3 year, reach levels of physical abilities you cannot even imagine right now. There will be sacrificed through this period, both in your private life and career, but time invested now, will reward you for the rest of your life. Put specific emphasis on exercise for leg strength and explosiveness but always train your whole body as a whole, or you will suffer injuries.
Remember this quote: The harder I work, the luckier I get.



You are only speaking things in theoretical terms. Yes if he trained and performed correct explosive exercises he can improve his athleticism immensely but no he would not be one of the most athletic far from it. The grind of 82 game schedule along with daily practices will kick in and the players that are inherently gifted can sustain it whereas the players not blessed athletically will come down to heaviness of legs and such.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2035 » by BoardCrusher » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:11 pm

pacersGM wrote:
Dude, the above is absurd, and if most of you doncics OBJECTIVE high ceiling guys dont admit that, this post is a joke and everyones supposed OBJECTIVE observations can be flushed down the toiled.this is just insanely funny for real :)



The only absurd thing here is you talking about things you obviously have no knowledge about.

ever heard about this guy?

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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2036 » by agentofatlas » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:46 pm

While you can improve athletiscm based on excercise and diet, usually it’s not a drastic increase and will depend really on how a person’s body respond to training. So at the end of the day it will still come down to genetics. So projecting that is ridiculous.

The only thing we can be sure off, is that Doncic can and probably will improve is his strength. Which should help his game.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2037 » by reanimator » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:46 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:
reanimator wrote::lol:

Booker the inefficient chucker who doesn't defend but is putting up volume production on one of the worst teams in the league?

let me get my weirdo on too...

This was your take on Saric

Johnny Firpo wrote:His actual value is much more than his trading value. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if he becomes an All-Star. With his improved shooting and defense, he has one relative weakness, athleticism, but since he is a 6'10 in today's league, and laterally quite coordinated and quick, I'm not even sure that this will be a weakness. I wouldn't be shocked if he is the best player of the Sixers in 2-3 years.



This is your take on Dragan Bender (who I actually like a little long term) :

Johnny Firpo wrote:
He is not as athletic and doesn't have the defensive instincts that Kristaps has. I would say he is more like a taller, more athletic Ryan Anderson or Tim Thomas if you have the lazy white-white comparisons.


The Saric one is not that bad, apart from the fact that he doesn't have a chance to be better than Embiid or Simmons, but then again, I didn't say he will be, I said it wouldn't shock me, because of how well he played then, and because of Embiid's and Simmons' injuries. And the Bender one is factual, I think. KP has much better defensive instincts, and Bender is being used as a floor spacer, only he cannot hit crap. This actually shows that - unlike you - I am not writing absolutes. You haven't tried to defend your ridiculous Doncic-Josh Jackson statement yet, btw. I'm curious to see what you have there, because I'm telling you, not even the biggest Doncic haters would agree with that. Jackson is a space dribbler, doesn't have a post game, cannot pass nearly as well as Doncic, and you say the Slovenian is not more skilled... Completely ridiculous statement, actually worse than your failed bust prediction, which says quite a lot.


We are just going to have to disagree. Saric is blah and Bender's main asset at this stage has been his rim protection. Those are complete misevaluations considering you watched both of those guys extensively before the draft. Meanwhile, Booker was used as a spot up shooter at UK and saying Zinger was 50/50 boom or bust is more reasonable than either.

And I don't have to "defend" my Josh Jackson statement. I'm still very high on him and don't see Doncic as far beyond him. In fact, if anyone is comparable to Gordon Hayward then Josh might be the player I'd use that comp for.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2038 » by Mirotic12 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:10 pm

XTraderXL wrote:I feel like some people here see Doncic as a finished product at 18 and project his career based on the player he is today while all other prospects are judged differently.

Every single player gets better after 18. They get better at shooting, ballhandling, decision making, conditioning, strenght... Its just all about how much better thay can get. Doncic is already a top 3 EL player, virtually a lock for MVP after 20% of regular season games. On top of all this, he still has a lot of room for improvement and he keeps getting better and better very fast.

The main thing he needs to improve is his strength. When he does that, he will look much more athletic than right now. He is quite fast when running down the court but as soon as there is some contact, he slows down considerably. Thats not about athleticism, that all lack of strenght. Plus in Europe the rules are different than in the NBA and even American players say its much harder to penetrate in EL than in NBA. I think this will benefit him a lot, he has the whole summer to work on his body and get stronger and will be just fine once the NBA season starts.


Untrue. Ricky Rubio was a better player at age 16-17 than he is now.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2039 » by Nikson » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:18 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:I feel like some people here see Doncic as a finished product at 18 and project his career based on the player he is today while all other prospects are judged differently.

Every single player gets better after 18. They get better at shooting, ballhandling, decision making, conditioning, strenght... Its just all about how much better thay can get. Doncic is already a top 3 EL player, virtually a lock for MVP after 20% of regular season games. On top of all this, he still has a lot of room for improvement and he keeps getting better and better very fast.

The main thing he needs to improve is his strength. When he does that, he will look much more athletic than right now. He is quite fast when running down the court but as soon as there is some contact, he slows down considerably. Thats not about athleticism, that all lack of strenght. Plus in Europe the rules are different than in the NBA and even American players say its much harder to penetrate in EL than in NBA. I think this will benefit him a lot, he has the whole summer to work on his body and get stronger and will be just fine once the NBA season starts.


Untrue. Ricky Rubio was a better player at age 16-17 than he is now.

:). Well now he plays in NBA an have no time to play soccer with friends. that is the reason he was better before, at soccer.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#2040 » by XTraderXL » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:21 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:I feel like some people here see Doncic as a finished product at 18 and project his career based on the player he is today while all other prospects are judged differently.

Every single player gets better after 18. They get better at shooting, ballhandling, decision making, conditioning, strenght... Its just all about how much better thay can get. Doncic is already a top 3 EL player, virtually a lock for MVP after 20% of regular season games. On top of all this, he still has a lot of room for improvement and he keeps getting better and better very fast.

The main thing he needs to improve is his strength. When he does that, he will look much more athletic than right now. He is quite fast when running down the court but as soon as there is some contact, he slows down considerably. Thats not about athleticism, that all lack of strenght. Plus in Europe the rules are different than in the NBA and even American players say its much harder to penetrate in EL than in NBA. I think this will benefit him a lot, he has the whole summer to work on his body and get stronger and will be just fine once the NBA season starts.


Untrue. Ricky Rubio was a better player at age 16-17 than he is now.


This is some bad trolling mate :noway:

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