Hypothetical Trade Deadline Question

[dVs33]

I still think it's a little early to make any major trades. For me, this group needs to string a few playoff series together before swinging for the fences. We've only scraped into the playoffs once with these guys. I'd like to see how far we can go this season and resign AB before making any major additions

[DetroitSho]

Okay so I’m definitely all in on this team right now. I don’t find our hot start to be a fluke at all, we are a told team. However I am realistic enough to know this team doesn’t have a shot winning a Finals, let alone making it there.

So my question would be: if the Pistons are floating around 2-4 seed around the trade deadline, do you make a trade that could bring in a “star” talent in an attempt to try to push us over the top, while potentially disturbing the chemistry? - - Or do you roll the dice with what we have keeping the core intact, but doing so with knowledge you might not make much noise in the playoffs in what seems to be a WIDE open east that is for the taking?

I know the trade aspect is hard to gauge because you don’t really know what kind of deal they would make, but let’s assume it’s at least a starting 5 member (minus Stanley) and a young asset/picks for a all-star level talent.

FYI. It takes years to build a finals contender. Not gonna happen this season no matter how many trade ideas people come up with. Just enjoy the developing process and improvement we get to witness this year.

Not true at all. Somehow this fan base gets stuck on the nostalgia of the Bad Boys going through their 7 stages of grief before finally breaking through and winning but for whatever reason it's lost on people the fact that the Going to Work crew was a Finals contender their first year together. The next year they won it all after adding Rasheed.

I'm not of the mentality you have to go through every stage of the playoffs and lose before you can attempt to win. This team was a tough out to the NBA champs in the playoffs 2 years ago and came back last year with an improved bench and expectations for a deeper run. Injuries derailed what should've been a season that went the way this one is going. They're healthy, versatile, have a good bench and a decent mix of vets and youth. You can't convince me if you could get Paul George (for example) from a disappointing OKC team or Chandler/Dudley from Phoenix without sacrificing the future you don't do it because you haven't lost in the 2nd round yet.

[BadMofoPimp]

Okay so I’m definitely all in on this team right now. I don’t find our hot start to be a fluke at all, we are a told team. However I am realistic enough to know this team doesn’t have a shot winning a Finals, let alone making it there.

So my question would be: if the Pistons are floating around 2-4 seed around the trade deadline, do you make a trade that could bring in a “star” talent in an attempt to try to push us over the top, while potentially disturbing the chemistry? - - Or do you roll the dice with what we have keeping the core intact, but doing so with knowledge you might not make much noise in the playoffs in what seems to be a WIDE open east that is for the taking?

I know the trade aspect is hard to gauge because you don’t really know what kind of deal they would make, but let’s assume it’s at least a starting 5 member (minus Stanley) and a young asset/picks for a all-star level talent.

FYI. It takes years to build a finals contender. Not gonna happen this season no matter how many trade ideas people come up with. Just enjoy the developing process and improvement we get to witness this year.

Not true at all. Somehow this fan base gets stuck on the nostalgia of the Bad Boys going through their 7 stages of grief before finally breaking through and winning but for whatever reason it's lost on people the fact that the Going to Work crew was a Finals contender their first year together. The next year they won it all after adding Rasheed.

I'm not of the mentality you have to go through every stage of the playoffs and lose before you can attempt to win. This team was a tough out to the NBA champs in the playoffs 2 years ago and came back last year with an improved bench and expectations for a deeper run. Injuries derailed what should've been a season that went the way this one is going. They're healthy, versatile, have a good bench and a decent mix of vets and youth. You can't convince me if you could get Paul George (for example) from a disappointing OKC team or Chandler/Dudley from Phoenix without sacrificing the future you don't do it because you haven't lost in the 2nd round yet.

This team is way behind where the Pistons were when they added Sheed. And, deals like that most likely are not going to happen. But, RealGMers do like to dream. But, this is not NBA2K

[DetroitSho]

FYI. It takes years to build a finals contender. Not gonna happen this season no matter how many trade ideas people come up with. Just enjoy the developing process and improvement we get to witness this year.

Not true at all. Somehow this fan base gets stuck on the nostalgia of the Bad Boys going through their 7 stages of grief before finally breaking through and winning but for whatever reason it's lost on people the fact that the Going to Work crew was a Finals contender their first year together. The next year they won it all after adding Rasheed.

I'm not of the mentality you have to go through every stage of the playoffs and lose before you can attempt to win. This team was a tough out to the NBA champs in the playoffs 2 years ago and came back last year with an improved bench and expectations for a deeper run. Injuries derailed what should've been a season that went the way this one is going. They're healthy, versatile, have a good bench and a decent mix of vets and youth. You can't convince me if you could get Paul George (for example) from a disappointing OKC team or Chandler/Dudley from Phoenix without sacrificing the future you don't do it because you haven't lost in the 2nd round yet.

This team is way behind where the Pistons were when they added Sheed. And, deals like that most likely are not going to happen. But, RealGMers do like to dream. But, this is not NBA2K

2 whole paragraphs and all you got from that was a comparison that wasn't made.

[Pharaoh]

Not true at all. Somehow this fan base gets stuck on the nostalgia of the Bad Boys going through their 7 stages of grief before finally breaking through and winning but for whatever reason it's lost on people the fact that the Going to Work crew was a Finals contender their first year together. The next year they won it all after adding Rasheed.

I'm not of the mentality you have to go through every stage of the playoffs and lose before you can attempt to win. This team was a tough out to the NBA champs in the playoffs 2 years ago and came back last year with an improved bench and expectations for a deeper run. Injuries derailed what should've been a season that went the way this one is going. They're healthy, versatile, have a good bench and a decent mix of vets and youth. You can't convince me if you could get Paul George (for example) from a disappointing OKC team or Chandler/Dudley from Phoenix without sacrificing the future you don't do it because you haven't lost in the 2nd round yet.

This team is way behind where the Pistons were when they added Sheed. And, deals like that most likely are not going to happen. But, RealGMers do like to dream. But, this is not NBA2K

2 whole paragraphs and all you got from that was a comparison that wasn't made.

Going to Work team and Sheed trade was mentioned specifically!

People aren't nostalgic IMO - history is on their side.

Prior to the Sheed trade we had already made the playoffs & won 50 games if memory serves.

This fanbase seems in a rush...either to the bottom (tanking proposals all last season) or to the Finals (trade threads this season).

What's the rush?

None of our key guys are "old". Yeah you add pieces when you can but you've also gotta consider the tax.

No one is saying we need to lose in the 2nd round or ECF before we make a move. I think people are wondering why the rush



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[edmunder_prc]

This team is so young. Patience is a virtue.

Ellenson is 20.
Stanley and Kennard are 21.
Drummond is 24.
Tobias Harris and Galloway are 25.
Avery Bradley is 26.

That is so damn young. They aren't even in their peak yet. Just the amount of improvement from winning games and getting older, learning to make fewer mistakes, make better defensive rotations, etc.

If anything, the team just needs more veterans who will work their ass off like Toliver and he came on the minimum. Who has the right mentality, bring them. Trade Leur for some vets who will bring a hard as metal swager and work ethic. That's what the team needs, not some "superstar" like Paul George who looks awful now, at least the 3 OKC games Ive seen.

[DetroitSho]

This team is way behind where the Pistons were when they added Sheed. And, deals like that most likely are not going to happen. But, RealGMers do like to dream. But, this is not NBA2K

2 whole paragraphs and all you got from that was a comparison that wasn't made.

Going to Work team and Sheed trade was mentioned specifically!

People aren't nostalgic IMO - history is on their side.

Prior to the Sheed trade we had already made the playoffs & won 50 games if memory serves.

This fanbase seems in a rush...either to the bottom (tanking proposals all last season) or to the Finals (trade threads this season).

What's the rush?

None of our key guys are "old". Yeah you add pieces when you can but you've also gotta consider the tax.

No one is saying we need to lose in the 2nd round or ECF before we make a move. I think people are wondering why the rush



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I used it as an example to counter the point, not as a comparison. For clarity, I'm responding to the notion that it takes several years to build a contender. I disagree that it's black and white like that. You made my point for me, Chauncey, Rip, Ben and Tay won 50 games and went to the ECF in year one together. It didn't take years for them to become a contender. They were contenders immediately. It takes TALENT to build a contender, otherwise Toronto and Washington is next in line and we would not only need to wait out Golden State but we would need to wait them out too.

[Pharaoh]

2 whole paragraphs and all you got from that was a comparison that wasn't made.

Going to Work team and Sheed trade was mentioned specifically!

People aren't nostalgic IMO - history is on their side.

Prior to the Sheed trade we had already made the playoffs & won 50 games if memory serves.

This fanbase seems in a rush...either to the bottom (tanking proposals all last season) or to the Finals (trade threads this season).

What's the rush?

None of our key guys are "old". Yeah you add pieces when you can but you've also gotta consider the tax.

No one is saying we need to lose in the 2nd round or ECF before we make a move. I think people are wondering why the rush



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I used it as an example to counter the point, not as a comparison. For clarity, I'm responding to the notion that it takes several years to build a contender. I disagree that it's black and white like that. You made my point for me, Chauncey, Rip, Ben and Tay won 50 games and went to the ECF in year one together. It didn't take years for them to become a contender. They were contenders immediately. It takes TALENT to build a contender, otherwise Toronto and Washington is next in line and we would not only need to wait out Golden State but we would need to wait them out too.

Not to quote Jerry Krause but:

"Organisations win (championships)"

The Pistons of Chauncey, Rip, Tay & Ben might have won 50 games immediately but remember the Teal Era?

Joe retired and set about rebuilding the organisation. He did this with Ben, Cliffy, Stackhouse, Corliss, Chucky, Jon Barry

It was that group that laid the foundation for the Going To Work team

So one could argue that it indeed does take years to build up to being a legit contender.

For all we know the group we have now is the Ben/Stackhouse group...

Trust The Process

Enjoy The Process

There's no rush - unless you fear that Gores won't pay the tax

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[russkopp]

If our outlook is still bright come trade deadline I wouldn't be surprised to see another "D-Mo like" trade happen. Our first and X for a true high level backup SF or Center.

I don't think we'll give away a pick but I think SVG can only tolerate so many 19/20 year olds on a roster.

[ImHeisenberg]

If we are in the top 4 or 5 seeds when the deadline is approaching, I absolutely could see SVG going all-in on a deal that could potentially elevate the ceiling for the team.

That said, who is going to be available that can do that for us? And, would we be able to make the best offer? Those questions I can't really answer yet. If OKC keeps failing, I could certainly see a scenario where Presti flips George for something/anything before he leaves (which he totally is going to do), but every team will know they're getting a rental- unless he's traded to LA.

Who else could be out there? Kevin Love? I don't think he really improves this team or fits. Even then, Cleveland would want a starter in return for him. DeMarcus Cousins? He doesn't fit the team, and SVG probably would never trade for him.

There will be unseen players available, but I can't think of anyone that really fits the profile of basically being a star, or borderline star that will be available and could be traded for on basically some first round picks and bad contracts.

I'm going to take a closer look at who might be available and edit this post if I find anything relevant.

[ImHeisenberg]

That's like getting Iverson in 2008..

Or Rasheed Wallace in 2004. We were on pace for close to 50 wins, and Sheed took us over the top and to the promised land.

Our team's ceiling isn't nearly that high. But, the point still stands.

[ImHeisenberg]

FYI. It takes years to build a finals contender. Not gonna happen this season no matter how many trade ideas people come up with. Just enjoy the developing process and improvement we get to witness this year.

Boban, Leuer & SJ for LeBron James. Boom, finals contender.

It can totally happen.

[eddh0713]

I know I am probably in minority but I truly believe Monroe is best option we could get as BACKUP center for cheapest price.

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[ImHeisenberg]

I know I am probably in minority but I truly believe Monroe is best option we could get as BACKUP center for cheapest price.

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Monroe isn't coming back if he's bought out. And, we aren't going to trade for him.

He would be the best backup big we'd have. But, that just isn't going to happen. I see him going to a team like Brooklyn, where he'd get 15+ shots a night and start. He's heading into free agency this summer.

[Manocad]

Okay so I’m definitely all in on this team right now. I don’t find our hot start to be a fluke at all, we are a told team. However I am realistic enough to know this team doesn’t have a shot winning a Finals, let alone making it there.

So my question would be: if the Pistons are floating around 2-4 seed around the trade deadline, do you make a trade that could bring in a “star” talent in an attempt to try to push us over the top, while potentially disturbing the chemistry? - - Or do you roll the dice with what we have keeping the core intact, but doing so with knowledge you might not make much noise in the playoffs in what seems to be a WIDE open east that is for the taking?

I know the trade aspect is hard to gauge because you don’t really know what kind of deal they would make, but let’s assume it’s at least a starting 5 member (minus Stanley) and a young asset/picks for a all-star level talent.

FYI. It takes years to build a finals contender. Not gonna happen this season no matter how many trade ideas people come up with. Just enjoy the developing process and improvement we get to witness this year.

Not true at all. Somehow this fan base gets stuck on the nostalgia of the Bad Boys going through their 7 stages of grief before finally breaking through and winning but for whatever reason it's lost on people the fact that the Going to Work crew was a Finals contender their first year together. The next year they won it all after adding Rasheed.

I'm not of the mentality you have to go through every stage of the playoffs and lose before you can attempt to win. This team was a tough out to the NBA champs in the playoffs 2 years ago and came back last year with an improved bench and expectations for a deeper run. Injuries derailed what should've been a season that went the way this one is going. They're healthy, versatile, have a good bench and a decent mix of vets and youth. You can't convince me if you could get Paul George (for example) from a disappointing OKC team or Chandler/Dudley from Phoenix without sacrificing the future you don't do it because you haven't lost in the 2nd round yet.

2003-04 Roster and the year each player joined the Pistons:

Lindsey Hunter - 1993
Chucky Atkins - 1999
Ben Wallace - 2000
Corliss Williamson - 2000
Zeljko Rebraca - 2001
Chauncey Billups - 2002
Richard Hamilton - 2002
Mehmet Okur - 2002
Tayshaun Prince - 2002
Hubert Davis - 2002
Elden Campbell - 2003
Darvin Ham - 2003
Mike James - 2003
Rasheed Wallace - 2003
Darko Milicic - 2003
Bob Sura - 2003

"Their first year together" doesn't mean they all joined the team the same year. While the Going to Work Pistons had key pieces added pretty quickly before their championship, there clearly was a foundation started a few years prior. That team was the EPITOME of a championship team that was "built" over the course of a handful of years. Good drafting, good trades, good free agent signings all played a part.

[eddh0713]

I know I am probably in minority but I truly believe Monroe is best option we could get as BACKUP center for cheapest price.

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Monroe isn't coming back if he's bought out. And, we aren't going to trade for him.

He would be the best backup big we'd have. But, that just isn't going to happen. I see him going to a team like Brooklyn, where he'd get 15+ shots a night and start. He's heading into free agency this summer.

If he can be a starter, he should go.


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