Political Roundtable Part XVI

[Pointgod]

This made me sad:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.html

Basically, he is saying that he has lumped all white people together. I get it - and from his perspective I understand where he is coming from - and don't blame him one bit.

On the other hand, I think this is going to be difficult going forward as there are more and more single issue voters.

What if Trump wasn't a raving lunatic and serial liar but didn't do like Reagan, Bush I & Bush II and blast White Extremists. But he/she was dead-on all the other issues. (okay, very hard to imagine )

Just like the writer who seems to be a single issue voter - there could be another voter who is a single issue voter (example abortion). Does a white person that doesn't believe in abortion immediately not trust anyone of color (since they vote overwhelmingly D).

It just seems like the Venn diagrams aren't aligning well as far as people trusting each other and co-existing.

I've read the article a couple of times and he's not lumping all white people together but rather implicating Trump voters, a majority who are white.

Trump presents an existential threat to minority citizens and I understand the frustration with well meaning white people that are dismissive of the feelings of minorities or simply brush off Trump as unpolished when in fact he's a malignant force. It's simply not just an argument of policy issues but rather who can you trust when it comes time to fight for the well being of your family.

The author even goes on to say that he can be true friends with allies but rather having a cautious approach before putting your trust in someone that hasn't earned it.

Among my dearest friends, the wedding party and children’s godparents variety, many are white. But these are the friends who have marched in protest, rushed to airports to protest the president’s travel ban, people who have shared the risks required by strength and decency.

I don't see this person as a single issue voter at all but rather someone who has come to grips with with what Trump represents to the downfall of human decency and the threat to minorities in America.

[Wizardspride]

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Rasmussen I assume?

Yeah, here are the averages on 538 at the moment.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I knew it.

They consistently have Republicans overperforming.

See Romney 2012.

[Pointgod]

Republicans are finally calling for Moore to step down after a much more tepid response previously. Another accuser surfaced today as well. Who here believes Moore will last until Dec?

[Wizardspride]

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[stilldropin20]

This made me sad:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.html

Basically, he is saying that he has lumped all white people together. I get it - and from his perspective I understand where he is coming from - and don't blame him one bit.

On the other hand, I think this is going to be difficult going forward as there are more and more single issue voters.

What if Trump wasn't a raving lunatic and serial liar but didn't do like Reagan, Bush I & Bush II and blast White Extremists. But he/she was dead-on all the other issues. (okay, very hard to imagine )

Just like the writer who seems to be a single issue voter - there could be another voter who is a single issue voter (example abortion). Does a white person that doesn't believe in abortion immediately not trust anyone of color (since they vote overwhelmingly D).

It just seems like the Venn diagrams aren't aligning well as far as people trusting each other and co-existing.

That article bothered me as well. It should bother everyone. It Goes completely against the way I was raised. You should never judge a race as a whole.

individuals make choices and one can certainly "judge" those choices if that's your thing. I personally prefer to understand perspectives and not judge others. but even if you are a judgmental pos, you never judge a race as a whole based on experiences with various individuals. Disgusting if you ask me.

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[stilldropin20]

This made me sad:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.html

Basically, he is saying that he has lumped all white people together. I get it - and from his perspective I understand where he is coming from - and don't blame him one bit.

On the other hand, I think this is going to be difficult going forward as there are more and more single issue voters.

What if Trump wasn't a raving lunatic and serial liar but didn't do like Reagan, Bush I & Bush II and blast White Extremists. But he/she was dead-on all the other issues. (okay, very hard to imagine )

Just like the writer who seems to be a single issue voter - there could be another voter who is a single issue voter (example abortion). Does a white person that doesn't believe in abortion immediately not trust anyone of color (since they vote overwhelmingly D).

It just seems like the Venn diagrams aren't aligning well as far as people trusting each other and co-existing.

I've read the article a couple of times and he's not lumping all white people together but rather implicating Trump voters, a majority who are white.

Trump presents an existential threat to minority citizens and I understand the frustration with well meaning white people that are dismissive of the feelings of minorities or simply brush off Trump as unpolished when in fact he's a malignant force. It's simply not just an argument of policy issues but rather who can you trust when it comes time to fight for the well being of your family.

The author even goes on to say that he can be true friends with allies but rather having a cautious approach before putting your trust in someone that hasn't earned it.

Among my dearest friends, the wedding party and children’s godparents variety, many are white. But these are the friends who have marched in protest, rushed to airports to protest the president’s travel ban, people who have shared the risks required by strength and decency.

I don't see this person as a single issue voter at all but rather someone who has come to grips with with what Trump represents to the downfall of human decency and the threat to minorities in America.

Bro, have you been able to leave your closet since trump was elected?

My entire family, social circle, colleages, employees, clients n patients are all minorities. Like 95% or more. Middle class. A few poor. And a few wealthy. And none of them share this fear you portray on here. I'm just wondering what crazy bubble you live in?

You know what. I actually know that bubble. My girl friend has a group of completely white 25-27 year old snow flakes. For some crazy as reason. They are the ones with this completely ridiculous, completely over the top, irrational beyond all reason... fear. They are so "afraid" that it feels completely contrived. About 5 of them unfriended me one facebook on election night. only to beg to come to my Halloween party this year. (I throw epic parties) so I told them no entry unless they dressed as trump. Which at least even they finally loosened up a bit a did some funny trump masks over their actual costumes. And these girls literally cried on election night. If they loosened up, point good, just maybe you can feel safe enough to open your eyes, leave the closet. Take a shower. And get on with your life? It was an election. They have consequences. Ya lost. It's gonna be ok. In the real world not eveyone gets a ribbon. Or the job. Or the girl. Its ok. You gown be aight!

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I have lost track of all of their lies on this

[TGW]

OMG Trump Jr contacted wikileaks! He should be arrested!

LOL some of you guys are falling for this theatre. Nothing is going to happen to Trump, Trump Jr., or Trump's cabinet (except for those who were using their position to launder $$$). What CNN and MSNBC doesn't want to admit is that Hillary's camp was pallin' around with the Russian oligarchs, too.

This is what happens when you have a crony-capitalistic political system that is vulnerable to foreign entities. Our gov't is so easily bought, that what should be our most obvious enemies such as Saudi Arabia and Russia can buy influence on our policies. Cracks me up that now Hillary lost, the Democrats are crying foul. When Obama was in office, doing business with the Russians was just fine. "The 1980's called...the want their foreign policy back..." remember that gem from Obama in the debate against Romney in 2012?

[dckingsfan]

@TGW - you have a good point on HRC - her ability to raise $$s is what cemented her control of the DNC and eventually the nomination. Individuals in both parties are rewarded for fund raising - the more the better and both parties don't care from where the $$s come. Although, I would argue that a plurality of voters in both parties certainly do care.

Russia has been trying to influence our elections for years but have been unsuccessful until recently - I think they have found an inexpensive method to do what they want in social media. I don't think they are able to sway or election by buying our leaders - not yet anyway.

Add to that - Congress doesn't seem to be able to control the social media gang - it is just going to get worse before it gets better, IMO.

[Zonkerbl]

Karma's a biyatch isn't it Republicans? Witchhuntery cuts both ways, suck it. Republicans earned every damn bit of the persecution they're suffering right now and then some, particularly because while there was absolutely no evidence that HRC broke any actual laws, Trump outright committed treason on national tv on the campaign trail. Still don't regret Trump asking for the Russians to hack Hillary's email Trump apologists? Still don't regret chanting "lock her up"? Suck suck suck it. This is what you get and then some delicious justice syrup on top. All you cocky smug lying hypocritical bastards go to jail. Maybe think twice about committing treason to score political points again in the future? Not only do I have no sympathy at all for any complaints about Russian witchhuntery but I am licking up your delicious salty tears. Lipsmacking good!

[Wizardspride]

OMG Trump Jr contacted wikileaks! He should be arrested!

LOL some of you guys are falling for this theatre. Nothing is going to happen to Trump, Trump Jr., or Trump's cabinet (except for those who were using their position to launder $$$). What CNN and MSNBC doesn't want to admit is that Hillary's camp was pallin' around with the Russian oligarchs, too.

This is what happens when you have a crony-capitalistic political system that is vulnerable to foreign entities. Our gov't is so easily bought, that what should be our most obvious enemies such as Saudi Arabia and Russia can buy influence on our policies. Cracks me up that now Hillary lost, the Democrats are crying foul. When Obama was in office, doing business with the Russians was just fine. "The 1980's called...the want their foreign policy back..." remember that gem from Obama in the debate against Romney in 2012?

"Doing business with Russia is fine. That's being pragmatic.

Fishing for stolen emails "allegedly" from a foreign power, changing your party's platform plank "allegedly" etc et to appease Russia is not ok.

Obama was wrong about Russia's intentions. As was W.

[TGW]

OMG Trump Jr contacted wikileaks! He should be arrested!

LOL some of you guys are falling for this theatre. Nothing is going to happen to Trump, Trump Jr., or Trump's cabinet (except for those who were using their position to launder $$$). What CNN and MSNBC doesn't want to admit is that Hillary's camp was pallin' around with the Russian oligarchs, too.

This is what happens when you have a crony-capitalistic political system that is vulnerable to foreign entities. Our gov't is so easily bought, that what should be our most obvious enemies such as Saudi Arabia and Russia can buy influence on our policies. Cracks me up that now Hillary lost, the Democrats are crying foul. When Obama was in office, doing business with the Russians was just fine. "The 1980's called...the want their foreign policy back..." remember that gem from Obama in the debate against Romney in 2012?

"Doing business with Russia is fine. That's being pragmatic.

Fishing for stolen emails "allegedly" from a foreign power, changing your party's platform plank "allegedly" etc et to appease Russia is not ok.

Obama was wrong about Russia's intentions. As was W.

Sorry WizP--I simply don't think would be much of an issue if Hillary won. There would be no committees, no investigation, no nothing. The party of the losing candidate is just salty.

[Wizardspride]

OMG Trump Jr contacted wikileaks! He should be arrested!

LOL some of you guys are falling for this theatre. Nothing is going to happen to Trump, Trump Jr., or Trump's cabinet (except for those who were using their position to launder $$$). What CNN and MSNBC doesn't want to admit is that Hillary's camp was pallin' around with the Russian oligarchs, too.

This is what happens when you have a crony-capitalistic political system that is vulnerable to foreign entities. Our gov't is so easily bought, that what should be our most obvious enemies such as Saudi Arabia and Russia can buy influence on our policies. Cracks me up that now Hillary lost, the Democrats are crying foul. When Obama was in office, doing business with the Russians was just fine. "The 1980's called...the want their foreign policy back..." remember that gem from Obama in the debate against Romney in 2012?

"Doing business with Russia is fine. That's being pragmatic.

Fishing for stolen emails "allegedly" from a foreign power, changing your party's platform plank "allegedly" etc et to appease Russia is not ok.

Obama was wrong about Russia's intentions. As was W.

Sorry WizP--I simply don't think would be much of an issue if Hillary won. There would be no committees, no investigation, no nothing. The party of the losing candidate is just salty.

Absolutely.

Of course their would be no reason for investigations. Well unless you suspect Hillary of colluding with a foreign power.

Edit:On second thought, Even if Hillary had won I still think the Trump "alleged" Russian connections would have been investigated. It just wouldn't have been as public...mainly because it wouldn't have worked.

[dckingsfan]

Among my dearest friends, the wedding party and children’s godparents variety, many are white. But these are the friends who have marched in protest, rushed to airports to protest the president’s travel ban, people who have shared the risks required by strength and decency.

I don't see this person as a single issue voter at all but rather someone who has come to grips with with what Trump represents to the downfall of human decency and the threat to minorities in America.

Well, I have to think about this one but... it seems like a "if you don't march with me - I can't trust you". That seems like a single issue person. He gives not quarter to any other issues - IMO.

I guess that is the same as the old anti-abortion folks. If you don't agree - I can't respect you.

Again - I have to think about this more...

[Kanyewest]

OMG Trump Jr contacted wikileaks! He should be arrested!

LOL some of you guys are falling for this theatre. Nothing is going to happen to Trump, Trump Jr., or Trump's cabinet (except for those who were using their position to launder $$$). What CNN and MSNBC doesn't want to admit is that Hillary's camp was pallin' around with the Russian oligarchs, too.

This is what happens when you have a crony-capitalistic political system that is vulnerable to foreign entities. Our gov't is so easily bought, that what should be our most obvious enemies such as Saudi Arabia and Russia can buy influence on our policies. Cracks me up that now Hillary lost, the Democrats are crying foul. When Obama was in office, doing business with the Russians was just fine. "The 1980's called...the want their foreign policy back..." remember that gem from Obama in the debate against Romney in 2012?

"Doing business with Russia is fine. That's being pragmatic.

Fishing for stolen emails "allegedly" from a foreign power, changing your party's platform plank "allegedly" etc et to appease Russia is not ok.

Obama was wrong about Russia's intentions. As was W.

Sorry WizP--I simply don't think would be much of an issue if Hillary won. There would be no committees, no investigation, no nothing. The party of the losing candidate is just salty.

Benghazi, where Clinton's role was minimal, was the longest investigation in history. Republicans would have been salty too.

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[DCZards]

My entire family, social circle, colleages, employees, clients n patients are all minorities. Like 95% or more. Middle class. A few poor. And a few wealthy. And none of them share this fear you portray on here. I'm just wondering what crazy bubble you live in?

SD20, most African Americans are rarely going to share with others, especially non-blacks, their true feelings about race relations. It just comes with too many risks. So it's laughable to hear you suggest that you know what ALL the minorities in your circle of family, colleagues, clients, etc. believe.

You may think you know these folks opinion but you really don't...and these people, especially African Americans, are going to be particularly careful about what they say around a conservative, Trump supporter like yourself.

It's a cultural and historic thing that you probably wouldn't understand.

[TGW]

"Doing business with Russia is fine. That's being pragmatic.

Fishing for stolen emails "allegedly" from a foreign power, changing your party's platform plank "allegedly" etc et to appease Russia is not ok.

Obama was wrong about Russia's intentions. As was W.

Sorry WizP--I simply don't think would be much of an issue if Hillary won. There would be no committees, no investigation, no nothing. The party of the losing candidate is just salty.

Benghazi, where Clinton's role was minimal, was the longest investigation in history. Republicans would have been salty too.

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Agreed. And that investigation was a farce too.

[gtn130]

OMG Trump Jr contacted wikileaks! He should be arrested!

LOL some of you guys are falling for this theatre. Nothing is going to happen to Trump, Trump Jr., or Trump's cabinet (except for those who were using their position to launder $$$). What CNN and MSNBC doesn't want to admit is that Hillary's camp was pallin' around with the Russian oligarchs, too.

This is what happens when you have a crony-capitalistic political system that is vulnerable to foreign entities. Our gov't is so easily bought, that what should be our most obvious enemies such as Saudi Arabia and Russia can buy influence on our policies. Cracks me up that now Hillary lost, the Democrats are crying foul. When Obama was in office, doing business with the Russians was just fine. "The 1980's called...the want their foreign policy back..." remember that gem from Obama in the debate against Romney in 2012?

"Doing business with Russia is fine. That's being pragmatic.

Fishing for stolen emails "allegedly" from a foreign power, changing your party's platform plank "allegedly" etc et to appease Russia is not ok.

Obama was wrong about Russia's intentions. As was W.

Sorry WizP--I simply don't think would be much of an issue if Hillary won. There would be no committees, no investigation, no nothing. The party of the losing candidate is just salty.

This is a straight up insane post.

Benghazi?

Emails?

Seth Rich!

Uranium!

#PizzaGate!

Or how about the fact that Jeff Sessions and the entire GOP are actively trying to investigate the Clinton Foundation as a form of political retribution right now.

Hillary didn't even win, and look at the type of scrutiny she's under!