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Post#241 » by TGW » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:25 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote:My entire family, social circle, colleages, employees, clients n patients are all minorities. Like 95% or more. Middle class. A few poor. And a few wealthy. And none of them share this fear you portray on here. I'm just wondering what crazy bubble you live in?


SD20, most African Americans are rarely going to share with others, especially non-blacks, their true feelings about race relations. It just comes with too many risks. So it's laughable to hear you suggest that you know what ALL the minorities in your circle of family, colleagues, clients, etc. believe.

You may think you know these folks opinion but you really don't...and these people, especially African Americans, are going to be particularly careful about what they say around a conservative, Trump supporter like yourself.

It's a cultural and historic thing that you probably wouldn't understand.


It cracks me up when a white male says there's no racism. Or sexism. But there's definitely reverse racism. I'm sure stillduppin would argue for it lol.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#242 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:26 pm

Monste,

legal (what i termed, coined, trademarked?) "firewall" brought up today at house judiciary committee.

At the time I assumed you are an attorney or else you wouldn't chimed in with such confidence as you did, but you might just be a good sea lawyer? which is fine by me so long as you know your stuff. In terms of the actual issue, I believe you and I were in lock step on that issue as much as you doth protested otherwise. interestingly, it was brought up today. as that type of legal firewall is a conduit for potential campaign finance loopholes among other things.

Speaking of, we all should expect this attorney general via special counsel to fully exam just how secure/tight this legal firewall was/is. And that will be th estory that goes under reported today. This is the "real news" of the day. Expect full reform to close down this loophole in campaign finance reform.

In terms of HRC/DNC i expect another nothing burger as no one will "get flipped." If you are indeed an attorney you and I both know this will fully and solely depend on getting dirt on someone at perkins coie and then leveraging that dirt on that person at perkins coie to flip on HRC/the DNC. sad. that that's how our legal system works, but that's is how it works folks. If there is no dirt that will compel someone at perkins coie or even the DNC to "turn states" against HRC/the rest of the DNC then we simply wont get the truth.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#243 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:32 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Russia has been trying to influence our elections for years but have been unsuccessful until recently - I think they have found an inexpensive method to do what they want in social media. I don't think they are able to sway or election by buying our leaders - not yet anyway.

Add to that - Congress doesn't seem to be able to control the social media gang - it is just going to get worse before it gets better, IMO.


Sway election? I think they stumbled on it, yes. The problem with buying politicians is you just get one person, and in a democracy those people can change when you least want them to. And you're competing to buy them with any other number of competing buyers. Democracy is a lot tougher to buy into effectively in the way Putin wants to than other forms of government and even dictators don't come cheap. Attacking the soft underbelly of Democracy which is mob mentality in public opinion, though? Yeah, that comes much, much cheaper and is much more sustainable.

I mean, there are just so many people out there who have a few subjects, whatever they are, that they have a firm belief in without any rational explanation why and despite all the evidence to the contrary. Social media gives both the appearance of evidence supporting their beliefs and a platform to create an insular collective of like-minds around the world. The anti-vax movement really was the canary in the coal mine. Here is what people really should be worrying about, though. As CGI, AI and other technological capacities continue to improve, it isn't going to be that long before faked video evidence is going to become a thing, and at that point, when you can no longer believe what you see or read, we risk returning back into a dark ages of sorts, where nobody wants to believe anything but what they already believe. Technology won't be lost, but expecting the collective to self-educate to keep up with continuing technological and socio-economic evolution is simply not realistic.
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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#244 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:33 pm

DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:My entire family, social circle, colleages, employees, clients n patients are all minorities. Like 95% or more. Middle class. A few poor. And a few wealthy. And none of them share this fear you portray on here. I'm just wondering what crazy bubble you live in?


SD20, most African Americans are rarely going to share with others, especially non-blacks, their true feelings about race relations. It just comes with too many risks. So it's laughable to hear you suggest that you know what ALL the minorities in your circle of family, colleagues, clients, etc. believe.

You may think you know these folks opinion but you really don't...and these people, especially African Americans, are going to be particularly careful about what they say around a conservative, Trump supporter like yourself.

It's a cultural and historic thing that you probably wouldn't understand.


My father side is entirely native american and hispanic. and i do understand that african americans feel they wholly own distrusts of white people. let me assure you they don't.

and your stupid post reminds of my childhood growing up as about 60% minority and 40% white. I was never white enough for the white kids. and never brown enough for the brown kids. let me assure you that your posts is as stupid now as it was then. I do very much "understand" these issues.
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Post#245 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:48 pm

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DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:My entire family, social circle, colleages, employees, clients n patients are all minorities. Like 95% or more. Middle class. A few poor. And a few wealthy. And none of them share this fear you portray on here. I'm just wondering what crazy bubble you live in?


SD20, most African Americans are rarely going to share with others, especially non-blacks, their true feelings about race relations. It just comes with too many risks. So it's laughable to hear you suggest that you know what ALL the minorities in your circle of family, colleagues, clients, etc. believe.

You may think you know these folks opinion but you really don't...and these people, especially African Americans, are going to be particularly careful about what they say around a conservative, Trump supporter like yourself.

It's a cultural and historic thing that you probably wouldn't understand.


It cracks me up when a white male says there's no racism. Or sexism. But there's definitely reverse racism. I'm sure stillduppin would argue for it lol.


that's disgusting that you find this topic a joke. about 4-5 of you have continuously injected race into politics. why do you guys have so much trouble with sticking to politics. why inject race into it? Something is wrong here.

As i said in my previous post, as person of mixed race, i can assure you that in some silly circles that I have not been white enough and in other silly circles not brown enough. Growing up, my mom told me then that they were jealous. It took me a long time to figure out she was right. and right she was.
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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#246 » by TGW » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:10 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
TGW wrote:
DCZards wrote:
SD20, most African Americans are rarely going to share with others, especially non-blacks, their true feelings about race relations. It just comes with too many risks. So it's laughable to hear you suggest that you know what ALL the minorities in your circle of family, colleagues, clients, etc. believe.

You may think you know these folks opinion but you really don't...and these people, especially African Americans, are going to be particularly careful about what they say around a conservative, Trump supporter like yourself.

It's a cultural and historic thing that you probably wouldn't understand.


It cracks me up when a white male says there's no racism. Or sexism. But there's definitely reverse racism. I'm sure stillduppin would argue for it lol.


that's disgusting that you find this topic a joke. about 4-5 of you have continuously injected race into politics. why do you guys have so much trouble with sticking to politics. why inject race into it? Something is wrong here.

As i said in my previous post, as person of mixed race, i can assure you that in some silly circles that I have not been white enough and in other silly circles not brown enough. Growing up, my mom told me then that they were jealous. It took me a long time to figure out she was right. and right she was.


you're problem is that you think your little bubble of a community and your feelings represents the entire country's view on social injustice. and when you say nonsense like "hey my friends are [insert minority here] and they never complain about race" is just a symptomatic response by the white male hegemony.

by the way, there's no separation of race and politics, buddy. People vote for certain candidates LITERALLY to get rid of Mexicans and Muslims or whatever group they don't like in their community. The moron you voted for in the general election basically ran on that platform, so miss me with your idiotic pleas to separate the two. Race and politics in America have been joined at the hip since the country's existence. We went to war over it.
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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#247 » by DCZards » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:11 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
My father side is entirely native american and hispanic. and i do understand that african americans feel they wholly own distrusts of white people. let me assure you they don't.

and your stupid post reminds of my childhood growing up as about 60% minority and 40% white. I was never white enough for the white kids. and never brown enough for the brown kids. let me assure you that your posts is as stupid now as it was then. I do very much "understand" these issues.


I have no doubt that Native Americans distrust white people. I wasn't suggesting that they don't. After all, Native Americans were raped, ripped off and murdered by white people.

And given that Hispanics have been verbally attacked, dissed and treated like whipping boys by #45, I also have no doubt that many of them don't trust white folks either, especially those in the Trump Administration.

I was just speaking for the people I know best and that I'm a proud product of--African Americans.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#248 » by montestewart » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:25 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:Monste,

legal (what i termed, coined, trademarked?) "firewall" brought up today at house judiciary committee.

At the time I assumed you are an attorney or else you wouldn't chimed in with such confidence as you did, but you might just be a good sea lawyer? which is fine by me so long as you know your stuff. In terms of the actual issue, I believe you and I were in lock step on that issue as much as you doth protested otherwise. interestingly, it was brought up today. as that type of legal firewall is a conduit for potential campaign finance loopholes among other things.

Speaking of, we all should expect this attorney general via special counsel to fully exam just how secure/tight this legal firewall was/is. And that will be th estory that goes under reported today. This is the "real news" of the day. Expect full reform to close down this loophole in campaign finance reform.

In terms of HRC/DNC i expect another nothing burger as no one will "get flipped." If you are indeed an attorney you and I both know this will fully and solely depend on getting dirt on someone at perkins coie and then leveraging that dirt on that person at perkins coie to flip on HRC/the DNC. sad. that that's how our legal system works, but that's is how it works folks. If there is no dirt that will compel someone at perkins coie or even the DNC to "turn states" against HRC/the rest of the DNC then we simply wont get the truth.

Actually, the term you used was firefall, but perhaps this is directed at Monste, not me.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#249 » by Kanyewest » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:44 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote:Monste,

legal (what i termed, coined, trademarked?) "firewall" brought up today at house judiciary committee.

At the time I assumed you are an attorney or else you wouldn't chimed in with such confidence as you did, but you might just be a good sea lawyer? which is fine by me so long as you know your stuff. In terms of the actual issue, I believe you and I were in lock step on that issue as much as you doth protested otherwise. interestingly, it was brought up today. as that type of legal firewall is a conduit for potential campaign finance loopholes among other things.

Speaking of, we all should expect this attorney general via special counsel to fully exam just how secure/tight this legal firewall was/is. And that will be th estory that goes under reported today. This is the "real news" of the day. Expect full reform to close down this loophole in campaign finance reform.

In terms of HRC/DNC i expect another nothing burger as no one will "get flipped." If you are indeed an attorney you and I both know this will fully and solely depend on getting dirt on someone at perkins coie and then leveraging that dirt on that person at perkins coie to flip on HRC/the DNC. sad. that that's how our legal system works, but that's is how it works folks. If there is no dirt that will compel someone at perkins coie or even the DNC to "turn states" against HRC/the rest of the DNC then we simply wont get the truth.

Actually, the term you used was firefall, but perhaps this is directed and Monste, not me.


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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#250 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:44 pm

DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
My father side is entirely native american and hispanic. and i do understand that african americans feel they wholly own distrusts of white people. let me assure you they don't.

and your stupid post reminds of my childhood growing up as about 60% minority and 40% white. I was never white enough for the white kids. and never brown enough for the brown kids. let me assure you that your posts is as stupid now as it was then. I do very much "understand" these issues.


I have no doubt that Native Americans distrust white people. I wasn't suggesting that they don't. After all, Native Americans were raped, ripped off and murdered by white people.

And given that Hispanics have been verbally attacked, dissed and treated like whipping boys by #45, I also have no doubt that many of them don't trust white folks either, especially those in the Trump Administration.

I was just speaking for the people I know best and that I'm a proud product of--African Americans.


how about stole the entire country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then pushed us into small land reserves for generations of suffering!!!!!!

we owned the damn country!! and we took far better care of it.

But this isn't a race issue. This is about economics. Ive been trying to get this point across for months now. The elite wealthy ruling class (of european bankers) saw this region(USA) ias there own personal safe haven from tax free from any monarchs/oligarchs to exploit for profit free of tax. a place to wholly own. they systematically went about taking complete control of this region and made it there own country. This is a NOT "white problem." this is a ruling class problem. It just so happens at that time that while most of the injustice on this side of the globe was committed by "white" people. On the other half of the globe brown people have commited these same acts of terror and theft on their own people. AND STILL DO TO THIS DAY. ITS NOT ABOUT RACE. its about power. its about money. its about control. the ruling class controls the proletariat by controlling the narrative. They use many different devices things like Racism as a tool to continue control the proletariat. Get above this. Understand where the true enemy sleeps. The "white man" is not the enemy. The wealthy elite ruling class is though. Do most of them happen to be white? yes. certainly!!! but their race has nothing to do with it. They are power and wealth seekers that will use their wealth to influence our elected officials to continue to make laws that will continue to keep their wealth and therefore their power.

and this is why i advocate such harsh tax reform. go back and re read my stuff. this is where the enemy sleeps. he sleeps in bank accounts and net worth of 20-50 million and up. especially billionaires. they simply have too much money and therefore too much power over our officials. Their goal is to keep us desperate. keep us uninformed. keep us therefore fighting over the literal scraps. the more desperate and stupid we are, the more we will keep bickering over non-needle moving bullcrap. and thats what they want. there is a true enemy out there. and its not the 'white man."

as for trump, he said no such things. he certainly said things to raise my eyebrows. he is clumsy. and awkward. [b]But at his core he is nothing more than a man that supports a hard border and lawful immigration and does so to control the supply of cheap labor so as to keep current and existing americans employed.[/b and he supports controlled immigration from parts of the world where we can not vet potential immigrants properly in order to keep current and existing americans safer.

now trump is a billionaire and certainly part of the ruling class. but he is an enigma billionaire of sorts in that he campaigned hard for the middle class. he realized this was his only path to victory. and everything he has done so far is a positive step forward for the middle class to become upper middle or lower upper. which in turn makes it a theoretical positive step forward for the lower class. You cant ask for much more than that. thats why there is th eneed for immigration reform. thats how we raise wages. by eliminating cheap illegal labor crossing the border. there is nothing un-american about that and definately nothing racists about it. and in fact it is very "pro-american" worker agenda. regardless of race. But existing minorities will actually benefit the most from that policy. and in fact we just hit a 17 year low in unemployment last week.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#251 » by montestewart » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:20 pm

Don't tell me to go back and reread your stuff STD. Go back and rewrite your stuff. Page after page of sloppily written, poorly organized, disjointed, poorly supported, and frequently factually inaccurate arguments. Life is too short. At some point you really do have to blame the messenger.

I know, you're just kidding, but I'm thinking of the poor 14-year-olds at the mall. Someone has to look out for them.
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Post#253 » by montestewart » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:53 pm

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Post#254 » by Wizardspride » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:48 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#255 » by Wizardspride » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:54 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#256 » by Pointgod » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:55 pm

TGW wrote:OMG Trump Jr contacted wikileaks! He should be arrested!

LOL some of you guys are falling for this theatre. Nothing is going to happen to Trump, Trump Jr., or Trump's cabinet (except for those who were using their position to launder $$$). What CNN and MSNBC doesn't want to admit is that Hillary's camp was pallin' around with the Russian oligarchs, too.

This is what happens when you have a crony-capitalistic political system that is vulnerable to foreign entities. Our gov't is so easily bought, that what should be our most obvious enemies such as Saudi Arabia and Russia can buy influence on our policies. Cracks me up that now Hillary lost, the Democrats are crying foul. When Obama was in office, doing business with the Russians was just fine. "The 1980's called...the want their foreign policy back..." remember that gem from Obama in the debate against Romney in 2012?


Umm the investigations into Russia were going on way before the election. If Hillary had been elected they still would have continued and something would have actually been done considering Russia tried to do the same with elections in other countries. In an effort to play both sides do it, people seem to forget that the Justice department acts as an independent investigatory body. This isn't just sour grapes from the Democrats.

Also can you point to any evidence of Democrats accepting money from Russia or conspiring with Russia in an effort to influence the election. Also point out where the Democrats changed their party platform towards Russia.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#257 » by Pointgod » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:15 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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Among my dearest friends, the wedding party and children’s godparents variety, many are white. But these are the friends who have marched in protest, rushed to airports to protest the president’s travel ban, people who have shared the risks required by strength and decency.


I don't see this person as a single issue voter at all but rather someone who has come to grips with with what Trump represents to the downfall of human decency and the threat to minorities in America.

Well, I have to think about this one but... it seems like a "if you don't march with me - I can't trust you". That seems like a single issue person. He gives not quarter to any other issues - IMO.

I guess that is the same as the old anti-abortion folks. If you don't agree - I can't respect you.

Again - I have to think about this more...

If you read the article again you see that he even says he can be cordial with Trump voters and break bread with white people but to build deep lasting friendships will take more. I think that shows a more nuanced view than you're giving him credit for.

I think you make an incorrect comparison to the anti abortion folks. Anti abortion fight against something that literally has no effect on them personally. A woman getting an abortion on the other side of the country has no bearing on my life. However the author is arguing against something that would have a direct effect on the life of himself and more importantly his children. There's a difference between saying "I'm not supporting something that's a threat to my well being and my children's lives" vs "I'm not supporting something because ideologically I'm opposed"
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Post#258 » by Wizardspride » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:24 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#259 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:39 pm

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