Game 15: LA Lakers at Phoenix Suns, Monday, November 13th, 7PM MST

[Jagic Mohnson]

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I thought it was Randle talking **** ..BShaw is a chill dude suprising if true but Booker needs to relax with the tough guy act after a loss to bottom feeders like us he looks like a clown

Clown is the last thing Booker will ever look like. He has more value than the entire Lakers roster combined.

He scores alot but keeps losing though. He might be the Anthony Davis of Guards, both Kentucky products and both empty stats on losing teams.

[Jarlaxle0204]

We are a simple team. Book goes out we suck. Book comes in we win.

Reminds me of when we had a certain HOF PG.

[bwgood77]

I thought it was Randle talking **** ..BShaw is a chill dude suprising if true but Booker needs to relax with the tough guy act after a loss to bottom feeders like us he looks like a clown

Clown is the last thing Booker will ever look like. He has more value than the entire Lakers roster combined.

He scores alot but keeps losing though. He might be the Anthony Davis of Guards, both Kentucky products and both empty stats on losing teams.

Yeah, we both keep losing. Glad we have our draft pick this year. Wish we had yours still.

[Jarlaxle0204]

So booker was about to fight the entire Lakers team?

Doesn't back down from anyone.

[NTB]

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[Kerrsed]

If someone yelled, "Quit F'ing flopping" Booker wouldnt have had that reaction. Shaw is saying it was him and thats what he said to cover up for the real person who said what was really said.

[MathiasPW]

Somebody must have heard it and posted on twitter. It's out there somewhere.

My guess is it was family-related.

[kennydorglas]

I thought it was Randle, but in the video... he was running after Shaw all the time.

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After Booker missed, he was very close to Shaw.
Few seconds after, Shaw moves awkwardly in his chair (probably the moment he said something to him)

[lilfishi22]

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I could watch Booker hit J's all day long. I think he has the 2nd best looking jump shot in the league today behind Curry's perfect form. I'd put both of them over prime Ray Ray for prettiest shooting form.

[lilfishi22]

Somebody must have heard it and posted on twitter. It's out there somewhere.

My guess is it was family-related.

If Watson was still around, there would've been a coach's brawl. You know he don't mess around when it comes to family. Or yoga

[lilfishi22]

I don't understand Triano's insistence on starting Chandler over Len; especially considering we continue to lose as is. Maybe that is the plan...again...to keep losing for another year, IDK. And while it doesn't make sense, and it doesn't seem right to reward poor play with a starting gig, but I still feel starting Len and playing him at least 25 mpg gives us our best chance at winning.

Additionally, it's obvious our PG situation is not good enough to win; we need a real PG, which has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum as well.

If McD does not bring in a PG within the next week or two, then IMO, it is clear that this is yet another 'Tank' year. He can 'spew' and 'spin' all he wants, but the truth of the matter is, we do NOT have a starting PG on our roster, and anything he says to the contrary is just his attempt to 'hide' the fact that we are tanking, again...

Len's just not that good...There's really not one thing we can count on him for consistently. At least we Chandler, he knows his game. He's gonna give you those double digit rebounds and not try and do anything fancy offensively. He's vocal on defense and he sets great screens. At this point, Len coming off the bench makes more sense even if Chandler only plays the first 5min before taking a break.

As much as we need a PG upgrade I don't get the sense there's a huge appetite to bring in a PG that quickly. We already have an issue with the number of players on the roster and they're (I'm assuming) still trying to open up a spot for Mike James.

[lilfishi22]

Too bad Bledsoe didn't go hair salon-ing before the draft. We may have snagged Fox, Smith, or FrankN instead or in addition. Not that easy to 'go find a PG'. One thing is becoming clear... Ulis is over matched and James is a scrub. Sad how their play has us looking forward to Knight's return. Well have to hear that lipsh*t throughout the next off season. I'd just like to see how this line up performs.... Booker, Jackson, Warren, Bender, Monroe...thats called playing your best players....but you get the feeling McDeals is hellbent on moving the Moose. Why even say anything about trading or a buyout? He's the best big man we've seen here in a decade. God help us if we'd win a few games. F-n timeline has become McDuh's crutch and our curse.

Jackson may never shake that can't shoot label. Odds are against him. How different is he from MKG ?

There's no shooters in that line up outside of Bender for Booker to pass out to but whatever, I'd trot that line up just to see what they can do.

I'm also in two minds when it comes to the Moose. I desperately want to see what he can do for this team (even though he sucks defensively) but I also want to get some decent assets back in a trade for his contract.

[NavLDO]

I don't understand Triano's insistence on starting Chandler over Len; especially considering we continue to lose as is. Maybe that is the plan...again...to keep losing for another year, IDK. And while it doesn't make sense, and it doesn't seem right to reward poor play with a starting gig, but I still feel starting Len and playing him at least 25 mpg gives us our best chance at winning.

Additionally, it's obvious our PG situation is not good enough to win; we need a real PG, which has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum as well.

If McD does not bring in a PG within the next week or two, then IMO, it is clear that this is yet another 'Tank' year. He can 'spew' and 'spin' all he wants, but the truth of the matter is, we do NOT have a starting PG on our roster, and anything he says to the contrary is just his attempt to 'hide' the fact that we are tanking, again...

I know that you are a Len's fan, but did you watch the game? Len was horrible out there. And when I say horrible I mean HORRIBLE.
He made mistake after mistake on both sides on the floor and a 60 years old Bogus outplay him. And he deserves to start? I don't think so.

Chandler is old and he doesn't protect the rim, but at least he rebounds pretty well and comunicates on defense.

Len is a solid backup C in the league, not less not more. Hopefully he improves a little his consistency and he would be one of the best backup Cs in the league.

Actually, he's a terrible backup in the league, a lot less, and a lot more. This is my point. When Len has been given the starting nod, consistently, he plays well. When he's juggled around...12 min one game, 37 minutes the next, only to be followed up with another that's 18..., and then 29...(hypothetically speaking), is when he's at his worst. That's my point. Not just one game. Pointing out how horrible he was this game just further emphasizes my point.

What is the harm in letting Len start the remainder of the season? Or at least give him 15-20 games to prove himself. I guess we could start winning, but other than that, it's not like teams are going to come asking for Chandler's services and are going to pay us more based upon his play this year, or whether he's starting or not.

I get that Len is horrible in a lot of games he plays, but he's better in games where he starts and plays a lot of minutes, that is all I am saying.

Len has played 4 games this season of 25mpg or higher:

--consequently, those are the only 4 games he's had dbl-digit TRBs.
--2 of 4 of those games he's had 2 Blks (no other games with multiple Blks)
--his FT% was 82.6% (73.2% in others)

His FG% is actually worse in those games, but his other stats are better...at least this season.

[NavLDO]

We are a simple team. Book goes out we suck. Book comes in we win.

Reminds me of when we had a certain HOF PG.

Ooh, who, Dragic? Bledsoe? Oh, NVM...

[NavLDO]

Too bad Bledsoe didn't go hair salon-ing before the draft. We may have snagged Fox, Smith, or FrankN instead or in addition. Not that easy to 'go find a PG'. One thing is becoming clear... Ulis is over matched and James is a scrub. Sad how their play has us looking forward to Knight's return. Well have to hear that lipsh*t throughout the next off season. I'd just like to see how this line up performs.... Booker, Jackson, Warren, Bender, Monroe...thats called playing your best players....but you get the feeling McDeals is hellbent on moving the Moose. Why even say anything about trading or a buyout? He's the best big man we've seen here in a decade. God help us if we'd win a few games. F-n timeline has become McDuh's crutch and our curse.

Jackson may never shake that can't shoot label. Odds are against him. How different is he from MKG ?

There's no shooters in that line up outside of Bender for Booker to pass out to but whatever, I'd trot that line up just to see what they can do.

I'm also in two minds when it comes to the Moose. I desperately want to see what he can do for this team (even though he sucks defensively) but I also want to get some decent assets back in a trade for his contract.

http://bkref.com/tiny/DwoYE

Actually, Monroe's numbers show he's better than Chandler. And in response to what you stated about Len/Chandler to my post, then I would just recommend we sit Len all together, because he's terrible as a back-up. Start Monroe, use Chandler as a back-up.

As far as Shooters...

Booker / Jackson / Warren / Chriss / Monroe

- Monroe at least know how to shoot outside of 3 ft...something Chandler is not able to do, and hasn't throughout his career.
- Warren doesn't have to be a 3PT shooter to be a 'shooter'. He actually shoots quite well (50%) between 16 ft and 3pt line.
- Chriss is shooting 39.5% from 3 on 2.5 3s per game.
- And Daniels is shooting near 41% from 3; Dudley comes back in a week or two. They aren't starters, but between the two, they should add up to starter minutes.
- And as you alluded Bender is shooting 34%, and getting better.

http://bkref.com/tiny/mE92C

[cycl0nus]

i like your broadcasting crew. Tom Chambers in the studio is a bonus to a good play by play and color combo.

But Chambers, seriously I always remember Tom having the most unstoppable dunk in this game:

jeez, is that nba live 90-91 bulls v lakers?

damn, that move is unstoppable, a quintupple pump from 3pt land to the rim

[bwgood77]

i like your broadcasting crew. Tom Chambers in the studio is a bonus to a good play by play and color combo.

But Chambers, seriously I always remember Tom having the most unstoppable dunk in this game:

jeez, is that nba live 90-91 bulls v lakers?

damn, that move is unstoppable, a quintupple pump from 3pt land to the rim

KJ to Chambers was unstoppable. That team was magic and crazy after being 28-54 to 55-27 all led by a 2nd year PG who averaged 20/10 for 3 years straight. Who does that now a days all in a rookie contract? Unheard of. Maybe Ben Simmons will, but the fact he is averaging almost a triple double is crazy and I don't know when or if the last time that happened, or close to it did.

But just a bunch of random guys coming together with a 2nd year PG we traded for, signing Chambers as a FA and then having another young guard in Majerle, a decent younger vet in Hornacek, and Tyrone Corbin/Mark West who came with the Nance for KJ trade.

It's crazy a 28-54 team trades their best player and wins 55 games. Then 54, 55 and 53 before trading for Barkley and jumping to 62.

[cycl0nus]

jeez, is that nba live 90-91 bulls v lakers?

damn, that move is unstoppable, a quintupple pump from 3pt land to the rim

KJ to Chambers was unstoppable. That team was magic and crazy after being 28-54 to 55-27 all led by a 2nd year PG who averaged 20/10 for 3 years straight. Who does that now a days all in a rookie contract? Unheard of. Maybe Ben Simmons will, but the fact he is averaging almost a triple double is crazy and I don't know when or if the last time that happened, or close to it did.

But just a bunch of random guys coming together with a 2nd year PG we traded for, signing Chambers as a FA and then having another young guard in Majerle, a decent younger vet in Hornacek, and Tyrone Corbin/Mark West who came with the Nance for KJ trade.

It's crazy a 28-54 team trades their best player and wins 55 games. Then 54, 55 and 53 before trading for Barkley and jumping to 62.

outside of my lakers team, whom i've been a fan for sheesh, 35years, i've always undercover rooted for the suns. i had a kj hoops rookie card, which was one of my first collectibles. as for those 80s suns, yes, they were very exciting. if i recall, chambers was an allstar and i think he took home the mvp and did that in the golden age. as for kj, i remember him jamming on everyone at 6'1, 180lbs, dunking on dinosaurs like 7'4 mark eaton. his famous dunk was on akeem.. for being 6'1, kj was a little power guard and he did not back down from the magic's, the jordans or isaiahs. that's what i loved about him. he was tough, he made big shots. but you're right, i dont recall anyone, except maybe a lebron? or tim? who's helped their team jump 35-40+ games from one season to the next... that's insane!

[lilfishi22]

Too bad Bledsoe didn't go hair salon-ing before the draft. We may have snagged Fox, Smith, or FrankN instead or in addition. Not that easy to 'go find a PG'. One thing is becoming clear... Ulis is over matched and James is a scrub. Sad how their play has us looking forward to Knight's return. Well have to hear that lipsh*t throughout the next off season. I'd just like to see how this line up performs.... Booker, Jackson, Warren, Bender, Monroe...thats called playing your best players....but you get the feeling McDeals is hellbent on moving the Moose. Why even say anything about trading or a buyout? He's the best big man we've seen here in a decade. God help us if we'd win a few games. F-n timeline has become McDuh's crutch and our curse.

Jackson may never shake that can't shoot label. Odds are against him. How different is he from MKG ?

There's no shooters in that line up outside of Bender for Booker to pass out to but whatever, I'd trot that line up just to see what they can do.

I'm also in two minds when it comes to the Moose. I desperately want to see what he can do for this team (even though he sucks defensively) but I also want to get some decent assets back in a trade for his contract.

http://bkref.com/tiny/DwoYE

Actually, Monroe's numbers show he's better than Chandler. And in response to what you stated about Len/Chandler to my post, then I would just recommend we sit Len all together, because he's terrible as a back-up. Start Monroe, use Chandler as a back-up.

As far as Shooters...

Booker / Jackson / Warren / Chriss / Monroe

- Monroe at least know how to shoot outside of 3 ft...something Chandler is not able to do, and hasn't throughout his career.
- Warren doesn't have to be a 3PT shooter to be a 'shooter'. He actually shoots quite well (50%) between 16 ft and 3pt line.
- Chriss is shooting 39.5% from 3 on 2.5 3s per game.
- And Daniels is shooting near 41% from 3; Dudley comes back in a week or two. They aren't starters, but between the two, they should add up to starter minutes.
- And as you alluded Bender is shooting 34%, and getting better.

http://bkref.com/tiny/mE92C

I was referring specifically to the Booker, Jackson, Warren, Bender, Monroe lineup Frank mentioned. When I talked about shooters, I'm talking more about the spacing that shooters give us. With only Booker in that line up with a legit 3PT shot, the key is going to be crowded with defenders sagging off on the 3.

Regarding Len vs Chandler, I wouldn't advocate sitting Len. If Monroe isn't going to play for us, then we need Len for the minutes Chandler doesn't play. He's not a great back up but he's the only back up we have. We can't play Chandler 40mpg with Bender rounding out that other 8mpg.

[bwgood77]

damn, that move is unstoppable, a quintupple pump from 3pt land to the rim

KJ to Chambers was unstoppable. That team was magic and crazy after being 28-54 to 55-27 all led by a 2nd year PG who averaged 20/10 for 3 years straight. Who does that now a days all in a rookie contract? Unheard of. Maybe Ben Simmons will, but the fact he is averaging almost a triple double is crazy and I don't know when or if the last time that happened, or close to it did.

But just a bunch of random guys coming together with a 2nd year PG we traded for, signing Chambers as a FA and then having another young guard in Majerle, a decent younger vet in Hornacek, and Tyrone Corbin/Mark West who came with the Nance for KJ trade.

It's crazy a 28-54 team trades their best player and wins 55 games. Then 54, 55 and 53 before trading for Barkley and jumping to 62.

outside of my lakers team, whom i've been a fan for sheesh, 35years, i've always undercover rooted for the suns. i had a kj hoops rookie card, which was one of my first collectibles. as for those 80s suns, yes, they were very exciting. if i recall, chambers was an allstar and i think he took home the mvp and did that in the golden age. as for kj, i remember him jamming on everyone at 6'1, 180lbs, dunking on dinosaurs like 7'4 mark eaton. his famous dunk was on akeem.. for being 6'1, kj was a little power guard and he did not back down from the magic's, the jordans or isaiahs. that's what i loved about him. he was tough, he made big shots. but you're right, i dont recall anyone, except maybe a lebron? or tim? who's helped their team jump 35-40+ games from one season to the next... that's insane!

Nash actually did and it was a little bigger jump from like 29 to 62, but that team was already in place other than him with JJ, Marion and Amare. They had added Quentin Richardson but probably shouldn't have because they could have drafted Iguodala, but traded their pick for a pick the next year which was Nate Robinson who we got rid of...I think traded him and Q for Kurt Thomas. But the Q contract had a domino effect because it made Sarver hesitant to give JJ an extension (they were only off $5 million for entire contract), it made him hesitant to draft another player like Iguodala, and Q's contract stretched us too thin..you saw cap problems in the future, so even though we flipped him for Kurt Thomas, we subsequently had to dump him along with two 1st rounders, one of which became Ibaka. Luckily the JJ sign and trade netted us Diaw and Robin Lopez (though Lopez was nearly Al Horford the year before but was protected top 3 and he went 3rd) and Horford made the Hawks good enough to have like the 11th pick that ended up being Robin Lopez.

Probably more info than you wanted. But the great thing about that 88-92 team is they didn't make massive roster moves every year messing with chemistry like they did trading JJ, then ultimately trading Marion for Shaq, etc...the 88-92 team stayed intact until they had the opportunity to get a major game changer in Barkley, though he didn't mesh that well with KJ and wanted the offense to run through him when KJ was a master with the ball. The team still got better overall but I think would have been even better if KJ ran the team and Barkley played with the flow more.