Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread

[Ror1997]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

[TinmanZBoy]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

That Kid is going to be good... I also like Knicks Nitikina too

[Paradise]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

Are we going to just forget Allen was looking like a steal at 22 in the first two weeks?

[Ror1997]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

That Kid is going to be good... I also like Knicks Nitikina too

I love these athletic 2 way guys. So fun to watch but also so valuable to your team.

[TinmanZBoy]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

That Kid is going to be good... I also like Knicks Nitikina too

I love these athletic 2 way guys. So fun to watch but also so valuable to your team.

exactly, they impact games beyond their stats show

[TinmanZBoy]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

Are we going to just forget Allen was looking like a steal at 22 in the first two weeks?

i think he was being sarcastic ... u can't have all

[Ror1997]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

Are we going to just forget Allen was looking like a steal at 22 in the first two weeks?

No, its just I was never 100% on the Allen bandwagon anyway. This isn't some sort of hot take either, I was always making a case to draft OG.

And with Allen, I wasnt trying to criticize him with my post. But honestly, I haven't seen anything special since the Hawks game. Nothing that screamed "steal of the draft". He had that block on Dennis which was cool. But besides that he looks kinda lost. The kid has a 7'5 wingspan yet he's still out there rebounding like Brook Lopez.

Im not giving up on Allen that would be ridiculous. I'm just saying that Allen has potential to be a steal. OG already is a steal. And the thought of having RHJ and OG on defense for the for seeable future? You can't tell me that wouldn't have been amazing.

[Paradise]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

Are we going to just forget Allen was looking like a steal at 22 in the first two weeks?

No, its just I was never 100% on the Allen bandwagon anyway. This isn't some sort of hot take either, I was always making a case to draft OG.

And with Allen, I wasnt trying to criticize him with my post. But honestly, I haven't seen anything special since the Hawks game. Nothing that screamed "steal of the draft". He had that block on Dennis which was cool. But besides that he looks kinda lost. The kid has a 7'5 wingspan yet he's still out there rebounding like Brook Lopez.

Im not giving up on Allen that would be ridiculous. I'm just saying that Allen has potential to be a steal. OG already is a steal. And the thought of having RHJ and OG on defense for the for seeable future? You can't tell me that wouldn't have been amazing.

He’s logged 90 minutes so far in the league with a 11.1 PER and he missed like four-five games. OG looks good but it’s still November and he’s got a PER of 13.5 while logging 202 minutes.

If we learned anything about last season, rookie can start off extremely slow and figure it out later (LeVert, Yogi, Dinwiddie) while others will show out early and fall off later on. Hard to gauge in a month but I like Allen’s shot blocking upside next to RHJ.

I was huge on OG too. I remember prok was against drafting him for the longest and cheered when we didn’t take him. I thought it could be a mistake as well but he was coming off a significant injury.

He’s just skinny and raw but the skills are very good.

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[Ror1997]

Are we going to just forget Allen was looking like a steal at 22 in the first two weeks?

No, its just I was never 100% on the Allen bandwagon anyway. This isn't some sort of hot take either, I was always making a case to draft OG.

And with Allen, I wasnt trying to criticize him with my post. But honestly, I haven't seen anything special since the Hawks game. Nothing that screamed "steal of the draft". He had that block on Dennis which was cool. But besides that he looks kinda lost. The kid has a 7'5 wingspan yet he's still out there rebounding like Brook Lopez.

Im not giving up on Allen that would be ridiculous. I'm just saying that Allen has potential to be a steal. OG already is a steal. And the thought of having RHJ and OG on defense for the for seeable future? You can't tell me that wouldn't have been amazing.

He’s logged 90 minutes so far in the league with a 11.1 PER and he missed like four-five games. OG looks good but it’s still November and he’s got a PER of 13.5 while logging 202 minutes.

If we learned anything about last season, rookie can start off extremely slow and figure it out later (LeVert, Yogi, Dinwiddie) while others will show out early and fall off later on. Hard to gauge in a month but I like Allen’s shot blocking upside next to RHJ.

I was huge on OG too. I remember prok was against drafting him for the longest and cheered when we didn’t take him. I thought it could be a mistake as well but he was coming off a significant injury.

He’s just skinny and raw but the skills are very good.

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You have to separate the conversations I think.


If we're talking about his performance.. I dont think Allen's off to a slow start really. Hes a raw 19 year old, hes performing just as anyone should expect him too. Let's see how he plays following his return.

But if we're talking about drafting Allen instead of OG, I just think its a mistake. OG has lotto talent and dropped because of injures. He still has tons of potential especially if he develops his offensive game. I know the board is really high on Allen's potential but I've never truly felt the same. Seeing things like the sports science video is cool and gets you hype, but then you see him in the game and he has no idea how to start the process of grabbing an offensive rebound. I don't have high expectations for Allen, I would be thrilled if at his he was a starting caliber player for us. Whereas I expected (and still do) OG to eventually be an all-star.quote]

[MrDollarBills]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

seems pretty premature to say we f'd up by picking Allen. It's November of their rookie seasons. give it time.

[Ror1997]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

seems pretty premature to say we f'd up by picking Allen. It's November of their rookie seasons. give it time.

We F'd up by passing on OG. Its not the same as F'ing up drafting Allen. Allen's still a good draft pick, but passing on OG was a mistake.

[Claud]

In his first career start OG put up 16 pts on 6-8 shooting (3-4 from 3) and +22

He defended Harden who shot 8/25 with 9 turnovers

Allen went #22, OG went #23. We F'd up big time.

seems pretty premature to say we f'd up by picking Allen. It's November of their rookie seasons. give it time.

We F'd up by passing on OG. Its not the same as F'ing up drafting Allen. Allen's still a good draft pick, but passing on OG was a mistake.

Very early to make this statement. We need at least 2 years to determine this.

[Ror1997]

seems pretty premature to say we f'd up by picking Allen. It's November of their rookie seasons. give it time.

We F'd up by passing on OG. Its not the same as F'ing up drafting Allen. Allen's still a good draft pick, but passing on OG was a mistake.

Very early to make this statement. We need at least 2 years to determine this.

We need 2 years to determine if Allen is a good player. But OG is showing us right now that teams shouldn't have let him drop to 23. Its 2 different things.

[MrDollarBills]

OG could tear his knee up next week (god forbid) and everything that you've said here changes. You never know what will happen. You're judging two players career paths who were non lotto picks based off of one month and a half of professional ball at ages 19 and 20.

but then you see him in the game and he has no idea how to start the process of grabbing an offensive rebound. I don't have high expectations for Allen

Two years ago at this time of the year Rondae Hollis-Jefferson was so raw that anytime he touched the ball he was literally frightened and frantically looked for anyone to give the ball to. I recall many people having similar sentiments about him as well. Now he's a legitimate two way NBA starter that can be plugged in at multiple positions.

Dirk Nowitzki looked like straight up garbage during the first few months of his NBA career. Like a bust, people used to clown him. 8ppg on 49% TS, nearly sub 20% from downtown. The next season he was lighting people up. Obviously, Dirk is a hall of famer, but the point is that you've got to give guys time. Some guys hit the ground running. some take some time before it starts to click.

[MrDollarBills]

Man the Sixers are poised to become world beaters with their talent base.

Marks needs to nail these two picks in the 2018 draft , and in 2019 no matter where we land we need to get a legit starting upside talent with our pick. we've got some pieces yes but goddamn Simmons and Embiid are going to be top 10 players in their prime.

[Ror1997]

OG could tear his knee up next week (god forbid) and everything that you've said here changes. You never know what will happen. You're judging two players career paths who were non lotto picks based off of one month and a half of professional ball at ages 19 and 20.

but then you see him in the game and he has no idea how to start the process of grabbing an offensive rebound. I don't have high expectations for Allen

Two years ago at this time of the year Rondae Hollis-Jefferson was so raw that anytime he touched the ball he was literally frightened and frantically looked for anyone to give the ball to. I recall many people having similar sentiments about him as well. Now he's a legitimate two way NBA starter that can be plugged in at multiple positions.

Dirk Nowitzki looked like straight up garbage during the first few months of his NBA career. Like a bust, people used to clown him. 8ppg on 49% TS, nearly sub 20% from downtown. The next season he was lighting people up. Obviously, Dirk is a hall of famer, but the point is that you've got to give guys time. Some guys hit the ground running. some take some time before it starts to click.

And I was the dude telling those people to calm down...

Anyway I'm not basing my expectations for Allen or OG based off what I saw since they entered the NBA. This is the viewpoint I've had since day 1. I'm not over reacting or having a knee jerk reaction. I just don't think Allen has a high ceiling and I never really did. That doesn't mean I won't get excited when he has a big dunk/block and it doesnt mean I won't continue to root for him. But I'm still gonna be honest about my opinion of him as a player.

[NyCeEvO]

Embiid...sheesh

[MrDollarBills]

OG could tear his knee up next week (god forbid) and everything that you've said here changes. You never know what will happen. You're judging two players career paths who were non lotto picks based off of one month and a half of professional ball at ages 19 and 20.

but then you see him in the game and he has no idea how to start the process of grabbing an offensive rebound. I don't have high expectations for Allen

Two years ago at this time of the year Rondae Hollis-Jefferson was so raw that anytime he touched the ball he was literally frightened and frantically looked for anyone to give the ball to. I recall many people having similar sentiments about him as well. Now he's a legitimate two way NBA starter that can be plugged in at multiple positions.

Dirk Nowitzki looked like straight up garbage during the first few months of his NBA career. Like a bust, people used to clown him. 8ppg on 49% TS, nearly sub 20% from downtown. The next season he was lighting people up. Obviously, Dirk is a hall of famer, but the point is that you've got to give guys time. Some guys hit the ground running. some take some time before it starts to click.

And I was the dude telling those people to calm down...

Anyway I'm not basing my expectations for Allen or OG based off what I saw since they entered the NBA. This is the viewpoint I've had since day 1. I'm not over reacting or having a knee jerk reaction. I just don't think Allen has a high ceiling and I never really did. That doesn't mean I won't get excited when he has a big dunk/block and it doesnt mean I won't continue to root for him. But I'm still gonna be honest about my opinion of him as a player.

yeah that's fair enough. I think what his skill set is exactly what we need at center so I'm not too worried even if OG goes on to become an all star.

[NyCeEvO]

Locking up Covington on a relatively cheap deal is a very smart move by Philly. He would've gotten PAID on the open market.

[MrDollarBills]

yeah as the ESPN panel pointed out last night he's underpaid big time.