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Re: 2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#241 » by Kilroy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:56 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Any interest in Stanton boggles my mind. This team is still in the market for a solid #2 behind Kershaw and in all likelihood is going to trade for it (I originally thought we’d re-sign Yu).

In a calendar year, we’d be presumably doing 2 blockbusters?

It’s very Dombrowski-esque. I’m not that interested unless I get the sense from our FO that they don’t really like the prospects they’ve developed...I dont get that sense at all.


This is why I’m typically into standing pat...smh.


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Just like every NBA FA says the Lakers are interested in him, whether it makes sense or not... When you're as good as we are right now, just saying we're interested in you as a player, raises your value. Stanton is the kind of player that I'm pretty sure every FO has doen their due diligence on... I'm sure we did call his reps and gauge is interest... Maybe nothing more than that, but since being pursued by the Dodgers means something now, it's in his reps best interest to let that tidbit get out there...

I'm sure we are interested in him... Just like everyone else is... But I don't think there's enough there yet to get excited about.
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2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#242 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:07 am

Scherzer gets the Cy.

Saves me from being in an awkward position.


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Updates on Stanton Situation 

Post#243 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:32 am

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Dodgers Still Interested in Britton 

Post#244 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:12 am

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Winter Trade Assets to Be Cashed In (UPDATED) 

Post#245 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:05 am

Dustin Nosler wrote out his 2017-18 Dodgers Off-Season Plan, which included realistic trade proposals, but he mentioned players who are out of options for next season. This prompted me to make a list of players who could and should be moved this off-season. It's likely incomplete but it provides a big picture of what we have to deal with.

Out of Options
    Ross Stripling
    Trayce Thompson
    Josh Ravin
    Wilmer Font
Of all the players listed above, only Font is maybe worth fretting over if lost, but given the roster crunch and expected new additions, all of them have to be moved.


Primed to Move
    Yasmani Grandal
    Hyun-Jin Ryu
    Brandon McCarthy
    Brock Stewart
    Pedro Baez
    Josh Fields
While I'm okay with McCarthy, Stewart and even Baez coming back for 1 more season of evaluation, I'd rather they be dealt if we can get good value in return whether as part of a trade package or in individual deals. We've already discussed the merits of dealing Grandal at this opportunistic juncture and Fields is just not worth long-term consideration even if he can help a little in the regular season. Ryu doesn't seem to have a place on the Dodgers in the future and may be better off performing elsewhere next season for his next big contract instead of playing out the season as a possible 4th or 5th starter.


Sunk Cost for 1 More Year
    Adrian Gonzalez
    Scott Kazmir
If we can deal either or both of A-Gon and Kazmir, it'd be quite the nifty hat trick pulled off by the front office, but I'm not one of those who thinks neither can provide contributions for 2018. We'd definitely be better off without either of them, but they can provide some value if we're stuck with them as is likely the case. Adrian can provide pinch-hitting and defense at 1B in limited fashion as a pinch-hitter and backup first baseman while Scott could be a left-handed option out of the bullpen. Maybe Kazmir might even be motivated enough to post a career year as a rejuvenated starter as an impending free agent, but he could also pull a Brett Anderson in that role, so we have to adjust our expectations accordingly.


Headline Prospects
    Walker Buehler
    Alex Verdugo
    Yadier Alvarez
    Jordan Sheffield
    Gavin Lux
    Keibert Ruiz or Will Smith
To be honest, we don't really have any untouchable prospects in our developmental pipeline, however, that doesn't mean that I want the bulk of them dealt. It's just that if the right deal were to present itself, anybody could be moved and that can be said of any player in baseball. The difference is that the Dodgers don't have a Julio Urias, Corey Seager, or even Cody Bellinger level type of prospect that would give me pause to include him in a deal for, let's say, a Chris Sale or Jose Fernandez in the past. I'm inclined to hold onto Mitchell White and Jeren Kendall as I think there is still significant future value likely to be unlocked in both prospects. Buehler is certainly highly valued right now, but if it took him and notably lesser prospects to get Chris Archer, I would pull the trigger without thinking too much about it given their respectively similar ceilings.

Catching prospects may also be a hot commodity, so there should be a demand for either Ruiz or Smith, though I would deal only one away rather than both for now. Connor Wong provides a similar profile to Smith and our anticipated pursuit of Antonio Cabello in the next international signing period provides a replacement for Ruiz, albeit one without the polished offensive profile.

I was hoping Sheffield would quickly develop into closer material, but with Jansen signed long-term, he might be more valuable as a trade asset if teams still believe he has starter potential in him. Lux, as I've mentioned before, seems to be waiting for Ronny Brito to surpass him in the organizational rankings, so another team in need of a SS prospect might be interested in continuing his development.

Alvarez still represents high upside albeit with stalled progress and Verdugo is a sell-high candidate, so if it took both to acquire Giancarlo Stanton, it'd be worth the cost provided that Miami eats a significant amount of money left on his deal or if Stanton agrees to opt out early (unlikely) in order to facilitate a deal to his favorite boyhood team.

The cool thing is that the Dodgers don't have to make big changes and are positioned well to improve significantly or make enough moves to fill in gaps to bring back the same team in order to still be among the favorites to compete for a championship. However, I wholly anticipate that we'll pull off some trades this winter before we hit spring training.


Edit: I forgot to include Hyun-Jin Ryu among those primed to move.
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Re: 2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#246 » by Neddy » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:18 am

makes me almost to think that they would like names in return even if it didn't bring back any real value.

for instance, what if the Marlins are okay with namesakes of Gonzo and Kazmir in return along with 1 good prospect like Alvarez? of course it is with us paying both Gonzo and Kazmir's full deal in return for the Marlins paying Stanton's next year's salary. if they wish to get the numbers off their books being a higher priority, then just take Gonzo and Kazmir and work out the detail for their payroll situation.

I know people are concerned about Stanton's deal, and yes it is hefty, but in 6 years his deal will look what an average middle of the order aka 3-4-5 guys (or nowadays, 2-3-4 guys) would get by then.
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Ryu Nuptials in January 

Post#247 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:51 am

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Re: 2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#248 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:01 pm

Neddy wrote:makes me almost to think that they would like names in return even if it didn't bring back any real value.

for instance, what if the Marlins are okay with namesakes of Gonzo and Kazmir in return along with 1 good prospect like Alvarez? of course it is with us paying both Gonzo and Kazmir's full deal in return for the Marlins paying Stanton's next year's salary. if they wish to get the numbers off their books being a higher priority, then just take Gonzo and Kazmir and work out the detail for their payroll situation.

I know people are concerned about Stanton's deal, and yes it is hefty, but in 6 years his deal will look what an average middle of the order aka 3-4-5 guys (or nowadays, 2-3-4 guys) would get by then.

How are you so sure it will?






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Urias Ahead of Schedule? 

Post#249 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:45 pm

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Re: 2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#250 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:57 pm

At a conference and seminars, so I can’t click but I follow him on Instagram and I always got the feel he’d be ready at some point in 2018 based on how he seemed to be ramping his workouts up.

Huge help if hes back next summer.


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Re: 2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#251 » by Takes5 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:30 am

I wonder if this has ever happened before in MVP awards in the same year:
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Re: 2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#252 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:02 am

Ravin to the Braves for cash.


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Up to Stanton 

Post#253 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:46 pm

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Dodgers and Braves Already Dealing with Each Other 

Post#254 » by Ranma » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:02 pm

Ranma wrote:In any case, I wish him luck unless it's against us, but at least if affords the Dodgers with another organization that we can deal easily with, although it is unlikely that we'll be able to fleece them like before in the Alex Wood trade. Given the respective connections to our front office, the Braves, Athletics and Rays provide familiar partners with possibly advantageous relationships, though I wouldn't expect it to be too overt often.


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Stanton Holding Out for Dodgers 

Post#255 » by Ranma » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:10 pm

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Post#256 » by Ranma » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:18 am

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Dodgers Sign Switch-Pitcher 

Post#257 » by Ranma » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:53 pm

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Re: 2017-18 OFF-SEASON 

Post#258 » by Neddy » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:59 am

ugg. imagine if both Ohtani and Venditte are on the opening day roster... the media hoopla surrounding the greatest hype from Asia under the same roof as Kershaw, Puig, Turner, the drama of what will happen with Gonzo's contract, is Mike Stanton coming home? if he is, who is leaving? the drama of the best from South Korea and his whereabouts which will be a huge news for at least 50 million around the world, then there are the prospects of rookies coming up, free agents to be signed, and players to be traded.... and players coming back from injuries all making news waves in next 6 calendar months... having Pat the bi-curious thrower will be the icing on the cake of this LA Dodger Circus.

jokes aside, looking forward to the next season. man I may have to break my tradition of annual pilgrimage to CamelBack Ranch in March, but hopefully some of you guys can make it.
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Preview of Rule 5 Draft 

Post#259 » by Ranma » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:36 am

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GMs Anticipating Lower Player Salaries 

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