Reverse Tim Duncan - The Dwight Howard Thread

catch20two · Post #441 » by **catch20two** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:33 pm

Dwight’s turnovers are really starting to nag me. What he averaging like 4 per game?

HoopsMalone · Post #442 » by **HoopsMalone** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:49 pm

I think it's quite clear that Dwight Howard came into the season with the intention of making a statement. He's in great shape and his effort level and focus are quite fine. The problem is that he's focused on the WRONG THING on offense. The guy is anything but a scorer and he just destroys us offensively by continuing to focus on it

countryboi · Post #443 » by **countryboi** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:51 am

dwight has some pretty bad body language and i wish he would just focus on defense and rebounding he would be much much better off.

HoopsMalone · Post #444 » by **HoopsMalone** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:08 am

Dwight is up to -2 in ORPM!!!! THEY ARE FIGURING OUT WHO THE PROBLEM IS LOL

He's ranked #412 on offense. Just Behind guys like Noah Vonleh, Justise Winslow, Dwayne Bacon, and Dwyane Wade....

And just ahead of noted offensive players like Kay Felder, Willie Cauley Stein, Andre Roberson, and Kris Dunn :banghead:

Lonzo Ball is only -2.66

Dwight will be closing in on him this week....

catch20two · Post #445 » by **catch20two** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:39 am

Them turnovers and missed free throws. Essentially wasted possessions.

Eoghan · Post #446 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:37 am

It's really funny to me that we went from a C that could shoot FTs well and draw a foul anytime he wanted but didn't and an awful defender (Big Al) to a C that draws fouls like a magnet but can't shoot them but can guard the rim decently (Dwight). It's like we refuse to find a C that can do all these things decently well.

HoopsMalone · Post #447 » by **HoopsMalone** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:28 am

Doenst take a genius to see who cost us this bulls game.... its like Groundhog Day

King Ken · Post #448 » by **King Ken** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:59 am

HoopsMalone wrote:Doenst take a genius to see who cost us this bulls game.... its like Groundhog Day

You wondered why we traded a good draft pick and took a terrible contract to get rid of Howard. Well, now you know. He lost all of his athletic ability many years ago. He was one of the fastest players in the NBA to now he's slow as molasses, can't really jump if it's not straight up, and his agility is terrible.

Post #449 » by **Diop** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:23 am

Dwight is still great within a couple of feet of the ring, unfortunately centres now need to be able to defend 20 feet from the ring and he also demands the ball in offence 20 feet from the ring where he is hopeless.

The game has past him by. It's like we have Biyombo back but we insist on giving him the ball in offence and seeing what he could create.

316Hornets · Post #450 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:34 am

Dwight is playing bad, but he's not being put in the position to succeed and that's the problem. You can't just force feed Dwight and expect him to outmaneuver many of the athletic centers of today. And, anytime he tries to use his physical prowess, the refs cut that off real quick. He's best at drawing in defenders and doesn't need the ball in his hand to get the other team's attention.

Use Dwight as the third or fourth scoring option and stop trying to make him something he's not. Then, we'll be okay and be able to focus in on what he DOES bring and that is a dominant rebounding machine. Cliff just has to realize that Dwight should not be in the game when the other team has a center with some range. Don't make him rush out to guard a guy like Frye and then rush back to stop the penetrating guard. As mentioned, he doesn't have the agility for that and he's best served as a guy that camps the paint and plays defense.

Dwight is a rich man's Biyambo.

MaceCase · Post #451 » by **MaceCase** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:39 am

316Hornets wrote:Dwight is playing bad, but he's not being put in the position to succeed and that's the problem. You can't just force feed Dwight and expect him to outmaneuver many of the athletic centers of today. And, anytime he tries to use his physical prowess, the refs cut that off real quick. He's best at drawing in defenders and doesn't need the ball in his hand to get the other team's attention.

Use Dwight as the third or fourth scoring option and stop trying to make him something he's not. Then, we'll be okay and be able to focus in on what he DOES bring and that is a dominant rebounding machine. Cliff just has to realize that Dwight should not be in the game when the other team has a center with some range. Don't make him rush out to guard a guy like Frye and then rush back to stop the penetrating guard. As mentioned, he doesn't have the agility for that and he's best served as a guy that camps the paint and plays defense.

Dwight is a rich man's Biyambo.

This all sounds great, and many coaches and fans alike have pointed this out, but I doubt Dwight has gotten the memo during his short time in Charlotte. When he starts to feel he's no longer a top priority on offense his effort on defense and the boards starts to falter then you have to deal with his horrible body language and not so subtle remarks about benchings to the media. It's a paradox, you want him playing to his strengths but to get that you have to satisfy his weaknesses.

Post #452 » by **JDR720** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:48 pm

Biyombos long lost cousin: Dwight Howard Thread

Braggins · Post #453 » by **Braggins** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:58 pm

Id probably rather have Biyombo if what we've been seeing recently from Howard is going to continue happening. Biyombo was solid for us and I think he could still be a good low minute bruiser to back up Cody and Frank as the main center options (5-10 minutes to save them from other teams bruisers). Hes not really very good and is horrible value for his contract, but both of those things are true about the bad version of Dwight. Biyombo at least does most of the things we want Howard to do pretty well and with 100% effort without ever needing to get the ball or have a play ran for him. Howard is far more talented and can still be the much more effective player of the two, but if his head isn't straight he is a huge drag..

jayu70 · Post #454 » by **jayu70** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:01 pm

And so...it begins....
ORL fans warned LAL fans who warned HOU fans who warned us Hawks fans who tried to tell Buzz fans - the Dwight Howard effect is real.
Most Hawks fans wanted him to set solid screens, defend the rim, rebound and roll to the basket - instead his screens were really weak since he was more interested in grabbing a rebound and some gawdawful PnR defense.
The things he wants on offense he is no longer capable of doing - he can't outquick guys to the rim anymore and he can't overpower guys as he used to since he's lost his explosiveness. He wants the ball in the post but is not a good post player.
The bad freethrows are expected but its the turnovers due to bad shots and brick hands that were really fustrating.

Post #455 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:28 pm

Unless Dwight is responsible for one of the NBA's worst offenses and bottom five three point shooting teams shooting 17-34 from three, don't see how he can be viewed as the primary culprit.

Post #456 » by **fatlever** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:32 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Unless Dwight is responsible for one of the NBA's worst offenses and bottom five three point shooting teams shooting 17-34 from three, don't see how he can be viewed as the primary culprit.

his pnr coverage is a huge problem for starters

Post #457 » by **JDR720** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:36 pm

cody is the only center we have had who is good at pnr defense. all the others aren't athletic enough. dwight is still a good paint defender, but he is a shell of the athlete he used to be.

Post #458 » by **fatlever** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:38 pm

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good thread on DH pnr

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Post #459 » by **Diop** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:02 am

yosemiteben wrote:Unless Dwight is responsible for one of the NBA's worst offenses and bottom five three point shooting teams shooting 17-34 from three, don't see how he can be viewed as the primary culprit.

the main reason most of us think that Zeller is more valuable than his numbers show is all the little things he does that helps the offence. The constant screens and running around like a mad man really helps the guards.

Dwight is more like Al but without the scoring ability

geraldwallace · Post #460 » by **geraldwallace** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:36 pm

Honestly a lot of you guys just use Dwight as a scape goat for the teams troubles. Since we now have a unpopular player that many of you probably didn't like before we traded for him, you have him on a extremely tight leash. Look at a game like last night, Dwight was awesome