2017-18 CFB SEASON / '18 NFL DRAFT

[Ray_Dogg]

They should make a run at Pryor or Jeffery. Goodwin should be a situational deep threat and not a starting WR. We need a #1, bad.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Arden Key - DL - Tigers

LSU junior edge rusher Arden Key (leg) is questionable for Saturday’s game against Tennessee, coach Ed Orgeron said.

"Arden will be questionable this week," Orgeron said. Key played through a lower-leg injury against Arkansas last weekend. His practice status is unclear. Key, who missed the first two games of the season while recovering from offseason shoulder surgery, has nine quarterback hurries, 6.5 TFL and five sacks through eight games. K’Lavon Chaisson will start against the Vols if he can't.
Source: SEC Country

Nov 14 - 3:55 PM

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Christian Kirk - WR - Aggies

Texas A&M junior WR Christian Kirk had a 158.3 passer rating when targeted on Saturday against New Mexico.

Kirk only had four targets, but he caught all four for 120 yards with a score. Most impressively, he did this on just 23 snaps against the Lobos. The 5-foot-11, 200-pound wideout hasn't approach the numbers he put up in his freshman and sophomore seasons, but that has much more to do with the struggles of the Aggies' quarterbacks than him. Kirk could have another big game next week when Texas A&M takes on Ole Miss on Saturday.
Source: Pro Football Focus on Twitter

Nov 13 - 10:25 PM

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Ronald Jones II - RB - Trojans

USC junior RB Ronald Jones II had 104 of his 142 yards after contact and caused 12 missed tackles on Saturday against Colorado.

Jones has been a key part of USC's resurgence over the past few weeks, and while Colorado's run defense is a shell of what it was last year, these are still very impressive numbers. He doesn't have an elite build, but with his second gear and shiftiness, he sure looks the part of an NFL running back. The big question is if he's going to enter the draft, because if he were to wait until 2019, he might be the top RB prospect in the class.
Source: Pro Football Focus on Twitter

Nov 13 - 9:54 PM

[wco81]

They should make a run at Pryor or Jeffery. Goodwin should be a situational deep threat and not a starting WR. We need a #1, bad.

They haven't had a guy who can take the top off the defense since that one season with Moss.

Kyle probably wants a speed guy right, like the way he had it in Atlanta?

Of course they're not going to have a guy like Julio Jones to draw coverage.

[ChrisPozz]

GOEDERT SELECTED TO PLAY IN SENIOR BOWL

http://gojacks.com/news/2017/11/13/football-goedert-selected-to-play-in-senior-bowl.aspx

Not getting off this. In my wish world, your 2018-19 starting TE for the San Francisco 49ers.

Let Paulsen find another home elsewhere (FA) at the end of the year, keep Celek for his remaining two years, and I'd monitor the activity around Derek Carrier (Rams) in the offseason and possibly explore him about a return to SF.

I'd probably also keep 1 eye on what the Bengals decide to do with Eifert. That'll be a tough one because I don't think the Bengals will be the only ones who'll be tempted to make a run despite the serious injury risk. Plus, you'd likely have to make the decision before you know if Goedert is in play for you.

Kittle can kick rocks in my world but that's not happening with him signed cheap through 2020. They're going to have to work around him if I end up being right about him. In their perfect world, and maybe even THEIR reasonable expectation, is that he's probably the guy for them.

Barring a surprise, and there's always surprises, I would roll into next season with Goedert, Celek, and quite possibly another draft pick. Realistically, the combo is likely going to have to include Kittle so that likely eliminates one of my other preferred bodies (Carrier, Eifert, etc.). Ben Watson is another FA that I always really liked, and liked even more as a person, but he's way up there in age and likely isn't going to come to a situation like this and that one would only fit to me just because I like him so much as a guy and how he plays rather than him being a great fit with the system and the age/winning stuff..

I know they may also really try and let Hikutini show them something as well.

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I've thought a lot about this, and it's a hair early to be developing too many cemented feelings, but I'm getting early feelings that Lynch will never have studly WR-acquiring instincts as far as getting a "THE GUY" type nor a big desire to build the outside around 1 absolute monster at the WR spot.

Now that Jimmy G. is in place, I've begun to shift my wishes to building up an offense with absolute size monsters at the skill positions, which is kind of what I've always wished for anyway (functional length/size), but now it's cemented in my head they've got to do that if they're going to build around Jimmy G..

If I'm right about Lynch and the WR position, and I have a little bit of confidence Shanahan can do SOME things with 2 size monsters at TE, I'd probably entertain that route over putting all my energy in wishing they can hit gold with a monster at WR. I also never got the sense Shanahan would be great throwing his 2 cents around and getting a monster at receiver either.

I'd also put more of an emphasis on Jus getting more work as a receiver. Honestly, for me he'd be a move TE option when they do go big with a big TE on the field, too.

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This offseason I'd also look again at Terrelle Pryor. Was always a big PROJECT fan of his if you felt like the attitude/mental stuff could be handled with him, and he could maybe come even cheaper than many expected this offseason. I'm no longer expecting him to definitely hit on the monster ceiling I thought he had but he fits right in with the monster size theme I'm going for and would potentially fit in as a rotating #2 WR option but not as your #2 passing option. We'll see, though. I'm going to love to see what types of offers he now gets.

What about Jeffery who I also really liked since college and have probably annoyed people about over the years? I don't know about him leaving Philadelphia anymore, and again, I don't know about Lynch and Shanahan going all out to spend big money on a 1st/2nd receiver and building it THAT way.

There's some other FAs out there I like the sound of but it's down the depth chart stuff.

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Again, barring surprises, and there always surprises, I'd start to build my size monsters for Jimmy G. with Garcon returning (not a size monster but a pro's pro who needs to and will be around), Goedert/Pryor/and/or way outside shot of Eifert/, Jus, who I start to get more work for and more creativity with, and Celek getting mixed in there a little bit when it's not Goedert/Jus.

Eventually I would be replacing Goodwin, who I love as a guy but I was never in love with the football stuff, Kittle, Taylor, Robinson, Murphy, Burbridge,

Bolden and Bourne could hang around a while because I haven't seen enough of them to be too firm one way or the other but I wasn't in like/love with them coming out ever either so that's probably where I'll wind up with them in the end. Right now I like, not love, having Bolden around this year. Smelter and Carter are the two practice squad guys I'd like to still hang onto as a miracle shot but their time is running out, too.

Obviously that's adding a few and getting rid of A LOT, and it's only a small percentage of getting to a complete answer, but for now that's the direction I go in at those spots and the risks I'd take. That still leaves a lot of uncertainty and there would be no guarantees those guys fall into those spots and definitely work, but it's realistic (outside of Eifert) options I'd start to go in and who I'd begin to try and replace.

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[Ray_Dogg]

GOEDERT SELECTED TO PLAY IN SENIOR BOWL

http://gojacks.com/news/2017/11/13/football-goedert-selected-to-play-in-senior-bowl.aspx

Not getting off this. In my wish world, your 2018-19 starting TE for the San Francisco 49ers.

Let Paulsen find another home elsewhere (FA) at the end of the year, keep Celek for his remaining two years, and I'd monitor the activity around Derek Carrier (Rams) in the offseason and possibly explore him about a return to SF.

I'd probably also keep 1 eye on what the Bengals decide to do with Eifert. That'll be a tough one because I don't think the Bengals will be the only ones who'll be tempted to make a run despite the serious injury risk. Plus, you'd likely have to make the decision before you know if Goedert is in play for you.

Kittle can kick rocks in my world but that's not happening with him signed cheap through 2020. They're going to have to work around him if I end up being right about him. In their perfect world, and maybe even THEIR reasonable expectation, is that he's probably the guy for them.

Barring a surprise, and there's always surprises, I would roll into next season with Goedert, Celek, and quite possibly another draft pick. Realistically, the combo is likely going to have to include Kittle so that likely eliminates one of my other preferred bodies (Carrier, Eifert, etc.). Ben Watson is another FA that I always really liked, and liked even more as a person, but he's way up there in age and likely isn't going to come to a situation like this and that one would only fit to me just because I like him so much as a guy and how he plays rather than him being a great fit with the system and the age/winning stuff..

I know they may also really try and let Hikutini show them something as well.

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I've thought a lot about this, and it's a hair early to be developing too many cemented feelings, but I'm getting early feelings that Lynch will never have studly WR-acquiring instincts as far as getting a "THE GUY" type nor a big desire to build the outside around 1 absolute monster at the WR spot.

Now that Jimmy G. is in place, I've begun to shift my wishes to building up an offense with absolute size monsters at the skill positions, which is kind of what I've always wished for anyway (functional length/size), but now it's cemented in my head they've got to do that if they're going to build around Jimmy G..

If I'm right about Lynch and the WR position, and I have a little bit of confidence Shanahan can do SOME things with 2 size monsters at TE, I'd probably entertain that route over putting all my energy in wishing they can hit gold with a monster at WR. I also never got the sense Shanahan would be great throwing his 2 cents around and getting a monster at receiver either.

I'd also put more of an emphasis on Jus getting more work as a receiver. Honestly, for me he'd be a move TE option when they do go big with a big TE on the field, too.

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This offseason I'd also look again at Terrelle Pryor. Was always a big PROJECT fan of his if you felt like the attitude/mental stuff could be handled with him, and he could maybe come even cheaper than many expected this offseason. I'm no longer expecting him to definitely hit on the monster ceiling I thought he had but he fits right in with the monster size theme I'm going for and would potentially fit in as a rotating #2 WR option but not as your #2 passing option. We'll see, though. I'm going to love to see what types of offers he now gets.

What about Jeffery who I also really liked since college and have probably annoyed people about over the years? I don't know about him leaving Philadelphia anymore, and again, I don't know about Lynch and Shanahan going all out to spend big money on a 1st/2nd receiver and building it THAT way.

There's some other FAs out there I like the sound of but it's down the depth chart stuff.

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Again, barring surprises, and there always surprises, I'd start to build my size monsters for Jimmy G. with Garcon returning (not a size monster but a pro's pro who needs to and will be around), Goedert/Pryor/and/or way outside shot of Eifert/, Jus, who I start to get more work for and more creativity with, and Celek getting mixed in there a little bit when it's not Goedert/Jus.

Eventually I would be replacing Goodwin, who I love as a guy but I was never in love with the football stuff, Kittle, Taylor, Robinson, Murphy, Burbridge,

Bolden and Bourne could hang around a while because I haven't seen enough of them to be too firm one way or the other but I wasn't in like/love with them coming out ever either so that's probably where I'll wind up with them in the end. Right now I like, not love, having Bolden around this year. Smelter and Carter are the two practice squad guys I'd like to still hang onto as a miracle shot but their time is running out, too.

Obviously that's adding a few and getting rid of A LOT, and it's only a small percentage of getting to a complete answer, but for now that's the direction I go in at those spots and the risks I'd take. That still leaves a lot of uncertainty and there would be no guarantees those guys fall into those spots and definitely work, but it's realistic (outside of Eifert) options I'd start to go in and who I'd begin to try and replace.

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Gronk hands. White gloves and all.

[Bald Bull]

GOEDERT SELECTED TO PLAY IN SENIOR BOWL

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What round is he projected to go in?

[NinerSickness]

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Speaking of TEs, I like Hayden Hurst out of South Carolina. Big guy who can move well & is a good blocker. Hope he declares.
Favourites now that Jimmy is here:

Q. Nelson
Christian Wilkins
Braden Smith, ORG Auburn
Hayden Hurst
Calvin Ridley (thought he was better than Kirk since the offseason)

[ChrisPozz]

GOEDERT SELECTED TO PLAY IN SENIOR BOWL

http://gojacks.com/news/2017/11/13/football-goedert-selected-to-play-in-senior-bowl.aspx

Not getting off this. In my wish world, your 2018-19 starting TE for the San Francisco 49ers.

Let Paulsen find another home elsewhere (FA) at the end of the year, keep Celek for his remaining two years, and I'd monitor the activity around Derek Carrier (Rams) in the offseason and possibly explore him about a return to SF.

I'd probably also keep 1 eye on what the Bengals decide to do with Eifert. That'll be a tough one because I don't think the Bengals will be the only ones who'll be tempted to make a run despite the serious injury risk. Plus, you'd likely have to make the decision before you know if Goedert is in play for you.

Kittle can kick rocks in my world but that's not happening with him signed cheap through 2020. They're going to have to work around him if I end up being right about him. In their perfect world, and maybe even THEIR reasonable expectation, is that he's probably the guy for them.

Barring a surprise, and there's always surprises, I would roll into next season with Goedert, Celek, and quite possibly another draft pick. Realistically, the combo is likely going to have to include Kittle so that likely eliminates one of my other preferred bodies (Carrier, Eifert, etc.). Ben Watson is another FA that I always really liked, and liked even more as a person, but he's way up there in age and likely isn't going to come to a situation like this and that one would only fit to me just because I like him so much as a guy and how he plays rather than him being a great fit with the system and the age/winning stuff..

I know they may also really try and let Hikutini show them something as well.

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I've thought a lot about this, and it's a hair early to be developing too many cemented feelings, but I'm getting early feelings that Lynch will never have studly WR-acquiring instincts as far as getting a "THE GUY" type nor a big desire to build the outside around 1 absolute monster at the WR spot.

Now that Jimmy G. is in place, I've begun to shift my wishes to building up an offense with absolute size monsters at the skill positions, which is kind of what I've always wished for anyway (functional length/size), but now it's cemented in my head they've got to do that if they're going to build around Jimmy G..

If I'm right about Lynch and the WR position, and I have a little bit of confidence Shanahan can do SOME things with 2 size monsters at TE, I'd probably entertain that route over putting all my energy in wishing they can hit gold with a monster at WR. I also never got the sense Shanahan would be great throwing his 2 cents around and getting a monster at receiver either.

I'd also put more of an emphasis on Jus getting more work as a receiver. Honestly, for me he'd be a move TE option when they do go big with a big TE on the field, too.

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This offseason I'd also look again at Terrelle Pryor. Was always a big PROJECT fan of his if you felt like the attitude/mental stuff could be handled with him, and he could maybe come even cheaper than many expected this offseason. I'm no longer expecting him to definitely hit on the monster ceiling I thought he had but he fits right in with the monster size theme I'm going for and would potentially fit in as a rotating #2 WR option but not as your #2 passing option. We'll see, though. I'm going to love to see what types of offers he now gets.

What about Jeffery who I also really liked since college and have probably annoyed people about over the years? I don't know about him leaving Philadelphia anymore, and again, I don't know about Lynch and Shanahan going all out to spend big money on a 1st/2nd receiver and building it THAT way.

There's some other FAs out there I like the sound of but it's down the depth chart stuff.

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Again, barring surprises, and there always surprises, I'd start to build my size monsters for Jimmy G. with Garcon returning (not a size monster but a pro's pro who needs to and will be around), Goedert/Pryor/and/or way outside shot of Eifert/, Jus, who I start to get more work for and more creativity with, and Celek getting mixed in there a little bit when it's not Goedert/Jus.

Eventually I would be replacing Goodwin, who I love as a guy but I was never in love with the football stuff, Kittle, Taylor, Robinson, Murphy, Burbridge,

Bolden and Bourne could hang around a while because I haven't seen enough of them to be too firm one way or the other but I wasn't in like/love with them coming out ever either so that's probably where I'll wind up with them in the end. Right now I like, not love, having Bolden around this year. Smelter and Carter are the two practice squad guys I'd like to still hang onto as a miracle shot but their time is running out, too.

Obviously that's adding a few and getting rid of A LOT, and it's only a small percentage of getting to a complete answer, but for now that's the direction I go in at those spots and the risks I'd take. That still leaves a lot of uncertainty and there would be no guarantees those guys fall into those spots and definitely work, but it's realistic (outside of Eifert) options I'd start to go in and who I'd begin to try and replace.

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Gronk hands. White gloves and all.

Gronk sized hands but with better go up and get it ability IMO.

Goedert should vert jump better, and has, if Gronk's pro day number is accurate of who he is.

Similar straight line speed (DG is a more efficient runner IMO).

Gronkowski's explosiveness to power moves, and visa versa, are easily better and what makes him one of the best in a while to do it. I'll give him that. This'll likely be evidenced in Goedert not broad jumping as well as Gronkowski did.

Coming from SDSU obviously he doesn't have the best all-time history of athletes to go up against in terms of pure athletes but Goedert does also own the school record for power clean (380 lbs) with the same bench (380 lbs in the spring). This is after only taking the weight room seriously his last year in high school, which is also when he decided on pursuing football rather than basketball. He also was a monster discus thrower himself in HS.

Comes from a big athlete family. And weird(er) athletes, too. His grandpa was recruited by the circus because he could walk all over on his hands. His grandma was a heck of a basketball player in high school. His mom and aunts were well known softball players, and his dad was a very good discus thrower. He's got two sisters who play volleyball. Growing up he went out for track and basketball as I mentioned, played soccer at a high level for his age/area, softball because of his mom, he was a wrestler for a while, and then did less traditional sports on the side like wakeboarding, ice skating, he was a swimmer, he kayaked, and for a while got into downhill skiing. His relatives all taught him how to unicycle as well because that runs in the family as well and they do it for local parades.

He'll probably be picked apart by some because he wasn't always football first oriented, which was evident in how he played football right away if you talk to their coaches about how he developed slower than a lot of kids, plus he's got the school level situation going against him for now, but getting that invite to the Senior Bowl was big for him and it's a place he could thrive in, IMO, given the one-on-one attention you get down there. He might be able to answer some of the blocking question marks people will have on him as well.

Oh, yeah. Annnnnd then there's this to throw out there, too.........

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[ChrisPozz]

GOEDERT SELECTED TO PLAY IN SENIOR BOWL

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What round is he projected to go in?

2-3.

He's got some monster athlete in him, though, and could do some things at that size that not a lot of people can do so if he shows that off properly at the right times, it wouldn't stun me if his draft landing ceiling goes up from there, though. Assuming he decides to do the full workouts. He's not somebody that should be afraid to do that unless there's an injury or he gets bad advice IMO.

[NinerSickness]

They should make a run at Pryor or Jeffery. Goodwin should be a situational deep threat and not a starting WR. We need a #1, bad.

They should've traded for Brandin Cooks IMO. I like his long-term prospects better. Jeffery & Pryor worry me because it's buying extremely high, which almost never works out.

But you're right that the team needs a #1 WR; however, they need to be patient for the right one IMO.

Maybe a #1 from a cash-strapped team puts their guy on the block?

[ChrisPozz]

They should make a run at Pryor or Jeffery. Goodwin should be a situational deep threat and not a starting WR. We need a #1, bad.

They should've traded for Brandin Cooks IMO. I like his long-term prospects better. Jeffery & Pryor worry me because it's buying extremely high, which almost never works out.

But you're right that the team needs a #1 WR; however, they need to be patient for the right one IMO.

Maybe a #1 from a cash-strapped team puts their guy on the block?

I fully and 100% agree with this, including the Cooks thing. Wide receiver is not a position I'm bullish on ever rushing on or forcing if "it" isn't there and it all doesn't line up.

2019 isn't a great FA WR year IMO.

Cooks is up in '19 if he isn't extended sooner.

Benjamin is up and fits the "monster" theme I keep preaching on but he's a risky, risky, risky gamble and might already be breaking down for good already. He might also not completely fit "the right one" theme either. I really like him when he's right but there's some stuff there to not like.

There's some other guys in '19 I know some other posters on this board would mention but none of them really interest me as a #1 guy.

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Green, Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, Dez, DeSean, and Crabtree are up in 20. I like that class better but the age/injury stuff starts to creep in with this class. I know for sure I wouldn't give DeSean big money (ever). Crabtree would probably get more than I'd be willing to give and doesn't fit the right #1 argument. Sanders can be special from time to time but also doesn't fit the right qualities either IMO. Thomas is another guy like Benjamin where he might be starting to break down. Same with Dez I fear.

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At the same time it's a little silly to be looking at WRs beyond one year IMO. So much changes from year-to-year and guys constantly become available out of no where.

[Ray_Dogg]

They should make a run at Pryor or Jeffery. Goodwin should be a situational deep threat and not a starting WR. We need a #1, bad.

They should've traded for Brandin Cooks IMO. I like his long-term prospects better. Jeffery & Pryor worry me because it's buying extremely high, which almost never works out.

But you're right that the team needs a #1 WR; however, they need to be patient for the right one IMO.

Maybe a #1 from a cash-strapped team puts their guy on the block?

I’m banking on the lackluster year for Pryor driving his price down as well as Jeffery who’s playing the year on a bum ankle. I know, probably being too optimistic.

[Ray_Dogg]

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No ****. Dude is top five if any of those teams watch the tape.

[CalamityX12]

Chubbs is our Leo?

[Ray_Dogg]

Chubbs is our Leo?

Yes please.

[NinerSickness]

Chubbs is our Leo?

Yes please.

Chubb is tempting, but Q. Nelson looks like the best guard prospect in 20 years. He could be the closest thing the NFL has seen to Larry Allen since Larry Allen, and that's the kind of guy who can single-handedly f**k up a defensive coordinator's game plan.

Chubb strikes me as a really good DE who will make a good impact, but I don't see him as a game changer like Julius Peppers. At this point, I'd take Nelson over Chubb.

That said, a trade down looks like it could the right move.

...Maybe for Christian Wilkinson? Future HOFer along w/ Nelson IMO.

[Ray_Dogg]

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[NinerSickness]

Joshua Allen OLB Kenucky: tall LB (6'5 230) with good range. Can rush the passer. Looks pretty good in coverage. Might be a good fit at the Will position (I think Foster should play Mike, but that's just me (please no Malcolm Smith next year, John).

Only saw a little bit from this guy, but he looks pretty good. It'll be interesting to see what he does at the combine.