Poll: Would you trade Giannis for Parker or Wiggins?

[kid idioteque]

After like 20 minutes of searching the other day I found the original Giannis draft thread which was interesting. Would've bumped it but it's locked.

[MickeyDavis]

Bumping old threads from time to time is fun but we've got some already bumped. It's more fun to do in offseason when there is less to talk about.

[DanoMac]

**** no I wouldn't trade Giannis for Embiid or Simmons.

Do you guys not understand what's happening right in front of our eyes? He's 22 and leading the league in scoring. He's single handedly led us to an above .500 record.

He's carrying so much more weight than Embiid or Simmons are. Look at his improvement year to year, and again, he's 22. I don't even think twice about it. Giannis is untouchable.

Sheesh, you guys. We have the best player in the NBA. Let's relax with trade scenarios and hypotheticals for him.

[Matches Malone]

[DanoMac]

Also, let me add, that you guys debating if you would swap Giannis for Simmons is just laughable. Giannis is going to eat him up in the Playoffs for years.

The whole past 2 pages is comedy. Seriously disgusting.

[JEIS]

After like 20 minutes of searching the other day I found the original Giannis draft thread which was interesting. Would've bumped it but it's locked.

what page was it on?

[Baddy Chuck]

After like 20 minutes of searching the other day I found the original Giannis draft thread which was interesting. Would've bumped it but it's locked.

what page was it on?

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[TroyD92]

The Embiid fascination continues to haunt this board like no other. Lets wait till he plays 42 games in a season before we anoint him the guy who's going to dominate the league

[Magic Giannison]

WTF, no, not for Embiid and Simons combined, not for anyone.

We got the best player in the league.

[humanrefutation]

The Embiid fascination continues to haunt this board like no other. Lets wait till he plays 42 games in a season before we anoint him the guy who's going to dominate the league

Who is anointing him as the guy who's going to dominate the league? I mean, read the posts. At what point did I, or anyone, discount his injury issues at all?

[humanrefutation]

**** no I wouldn't trade Giannis for Embiid or Simmons.

Do you guys not understand what's happening right in front of our eyes? He's 22 and leading the league in scoring. He's single handedly led us to an above .500 record.

He's carrying so much more weight than Embiid or Simmons are. Look at his improvement year to year, and again, he's 22. I don't even think twice about it. Giannis is untouchable.

Sheesh, you guys. We have the best player in the NBA. Let's relax with trade scenarios and hypotheticals for him.

Why should we relax with trade scenarios and hypotheticals? None of us actually have the power to trade him. Trying to shut down a discussion by claiming that we can't even discuss a hypothetical isn't just silly, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the point of these **** message boards.

No one is requiring you to participate in this discussion. If the very notion of debating whether to trade Giannis makes you feel all clammy and anxious, you're free to excuse yourself from the thread.

Lastly, Giannis is universally adored here. Saying that we "do not understand what's happening right in front of our eyes" comes off as pretty condescending and really obnoxious, tbh.

[Plossum]

Still can't believe people would trade Giannis for Embiid. Baffling.

[blazza18]

Still think Giannis has a ceiling without a jump shot. The ceiling might still be insanely high but it's there.

With Embiid and Simmons you have 7 foot dude who can literally do everything on the court plus another guy who can do 70-80% of what Giannis can do while being a better floor general/passer. The injury issues with Embiid is the only reason why you wouldn't move Giannis.

[humanrefutation]

Still think Giannis has a ceiling without a jump shot. The ceiling might still be insanely high but it's there.

With Embiid and Simmons you have 7 foot dude who can literally do everything on the court plus another guy who can do 70-80% of what Giannis can do while being a better floor general/passer. The injury issues with Embiid is the only reason why you wouldn't move Giannis.

Embiid does not have the versatility Giannis has. Not by a long shot. You can't put Embiid on a guard and expect him to defend him. He is remarkably athletic for a player of his physical size, but Giannis is in a different class, IMO.

I will say this about Giannis, too: I've also long-believed that his potential was limited on the offensive side of the ball due to his lack of a shot outside of 6 feet from the basket. I felt that smart teams - capable teams - would be able to defend him by playing big men on him and just sagging off him, and he wouldn't be able to maintain a taxing offensive style throughout the game. There were games last year that showed that.

But he's just gone to a whole new level this season that I didn't anticipate. I expected him to get marginally better all around, but he's physically developed in such a startling manner that he can be unguardable at times - too tall and strong to be guarded by wing men, and too athletic to be guarded by big men. He's in a range where only a handful of players in NBA history can even dream of guarding him when he's on.

I don't think it ultimately matters if he gets a jumper. The right coach can put him in positions to succeed without one. He's that special.

[Plossum]

Still think Giannis has a ceiling without a jump shot. The ceiling might still be insanely high but it's there.

With Embiid and Simmons you have 7 foot dude who can literally do everything on the court plus another guy who can do 70-80% of what Giannis can do while being a better floor general/passer. The injury issues with Embiid is the only reason why you wouldn't move Giannis.

You're mad Blazz.

[blazza18]

Embiid does not have the versatility Giannis has. Not by a long shot. You can't put Embiid on a guard and expect him to defend him. He is remarkably athletic for a player of his physical size, but Giannis is in a different class, IMO.

I will say this about Giannis, too: I've also long-believed that his potential was limited on the offensive side of the ball due to his lack of a shot outside of 6 feet from the basket. I felt that smart teams - capable teams - would be able to defend him by playing big men on him and just sagging off him, and he wouldn't be able to maintain a taxing offensive style throughout the game. There were games last year that showed that.

But he's just gone to a whole new level this season that I didn't anticipate. I expected him to get marginally better all around, but he's physically developed in such a startling manner that he can be unguardable at times - too tall and strong to be guarded by wing men, and too athletic to be guarded by big men. He's in a range where only a handful of players in NBA history can even dream of guarding him when he's on.

I don't think it ultimately matters if he gets a jumper. The right coach can put him in positions to succeed without one. He's that special.

How many 7 footers have the ability to defend guards? Even Giannis has had his problems with having his feet stuck in mud on a few occasions this year cause it's really **** hard to do.

Giannis has improved in a ton of areas but his touch on shots outside the paint are still a work in progress. He's bigger, stronger, faster than a lot of guys and yet still has no idea what he's doing with guys like Dillon Brooks are on him. That shouldn't happen.

I do agree with you on the coach part. One of the many reasons why I don't think Kidd should be coach is because I don't think he puts Giannis in the ultimate position to succeed.

[mattg]

Embiid does not have the versatility Giannis has. Not by a long shot. You can't put Embiid on a guard and expect him to defend him. He is remarkably athletic for a player of his physical size, but Giannis is in a different class, IMO.

I will say this about Giannis, too: I've also long-believed that his potential was limited on the offensive side of the ball due to his lack of a shot outside of 6 feet from the basket. I felt that smart teams - capable teams - would be able to defend him by playing big men on him and just sagging off him, and he wouldn't be able to maintain a taxing offensive style throughout the game. There were games last year that showed that.

But he's just gone to a whole new level this season that I didn't anticipate. I expected him to get marginally better all around, but he's physically developed in such a startling manner that he can be unguardable at times - too tall and strong to be guarded by wing men, and too athletic to be guarded by big men. He's in a range where only a handful of players in NBA history can even dream of guarding him when he's on.

I don't think it ultimately matters if he gets a jumper. The right coach can put him in positions to succeed without one. He's that special.

How many 7 footers have the ability to defend guards? Even Giannis has had his problems with having his feet stuck in mud on a few occasions this year cause it's really **** hard to do.

Giannis has improved in a ton of areas but his touch on shots outside the paint are still a work in progress. He's bigger, stronger, faster than a lot of guys and yet still has no idea what he's doing with guys like Dillon Brooks are on him. That shouldn't happen.

I do agree with you on the coach part. One of the many reasons why I don't think Kidd should be coach is because I don't think he puts Giannis in the ultimate position to succeed.

A lot of big guys with perimeter skills really struggle adjusting to smaller, quicker defenders who can out leverage them and can move their feet well enough to say in front. Dirk used to have all sorts of difficulty being guarded by 6'6''-6'7'' wings. KD would have issues with Tony Allen. Giannis will figure it out, but it's an adjustment.

As far as Embiid, I believe even calling what he deals with "injury issues" is completely disingenuous to how serious of a problem his physical health is. It's a complete and utter downplaying of his physical profile. Like I've said, I'd be floored if he isn't out of the NBA within 3 years due to injury. I'd put the chances he suffers a career ending injury during what would normally be a player's prime seasons at 99%. His body is just breaking down and to bank on him whatsoever basically is ignoring every shred of evidence and knowledge you have because you're like

[humanrefutation]

Embiid does not have the versatility Giannis has. Not by a long shot. You can't put Embiid on a guard and expect him to defend him. He is remarkably athletic for a player of his physical size, but Giannis is in a different class, IMO.

I will say this about Giannis, too: I've also long-believed that his potential was limited on the offensive side of the ball due to his lack of a shot outside of 6 feet from the basket. I felt that smart teams - capable teams - would be able to defend him by playing big men on him and just sagging off him, and he wouldn't be able to maintain a taxing offensive style throughout the game. There were games last year that showed that.

But he's just gone to a whole new level this season that I didn't anticipate. I expected him to get marginally better all around, but he's physically developed in such a startling manner that he can be unguardable at times - too tall and strong to be guarded by wing men, and too athletic to be guarded by big men. He's in a range where only a handful of players in NBA history can even dream of guarding him when he's on.

I don't think it ultimately matters if he gets a jumper. The right coach can put him in positions to succeed without one. He's that special.

How many 7 footers have the ability to defend guards? Even Giannis has had his problems with having his feet stuck in mud on a few occasions this year cause it's really **** hard to do.

Giannis has improved in a ton of areas but his touch on shots outside the paint are still a work in progress. He's bigger, stronger, faster than a lot of guys and yet still has no idea what he's doing with guys like Dillon Brooks are on him. That shouldn't happen.

I do agree with you on the coach part. One of the many reasons why I don't think Kidd should be coach is because I don't think he puts Giannis in the ultimate position to succeed.

If Embiid can't defend guards, then, by very definition, he can't "literally do everything on the Court."

I submit that Giannis has the capacity to defend against guards. Not against the very best on a consistent basis, but enough such that I wouldn't be opposed if he was guarding a Harden or a Westbrook in specific crunch time situations. His length poses extreme challenges such that even if they dribbled past him, he could still recover and contest. Embiid couldn't do that. And that arguably makes Giannis a more impactful player.

I agree that he doesn't always manage his offensive possessions effectively, but I think that's a matter of experience, not a matter of ability. As the game continues to slow down for him, he'll be better able to discern an effective approach when he has the ball.

[humanrefutation]

As far as Embiid, I believe even calling what he deals with "injury issues" is completely disingenuous to how serious of a problem his physical health is. It's a complete and utter downplaying of his physical profile. Like I've said, I'd be floored if he isn't out of the NBA within 3 years due to injury. I'd put the chances he suffers a career ending injury during what would normally be a player's prime seasons at 99%. His body is just breaking down and to bank on him whatsoever basically is ignoring every shred of evidence and knowledge you have because you're like

Completely agreed that his injury issues - or whatever phrase you want to use - are significant. But that's why we're speaking in a hypothetical. I would never agree to move Giannis for him, for that reason and the belief I have that he'd never commit long term to Milwaukee.

[humanrefutation]

I mean, people forget this now, but it took LeBron until he was in his physical prime for him to figure out how to use his offensive possessions effectively. People clamored for him to post guys up. To become a better shooter (especially from 3). To become more physically aggressive.

Giannis is still 22. He didn't start playing basketball until he was in his teens. He has plenty of growth left in the skill and strategic aspects of his game.