Charlotte vs Bulls Nov 17 8PM EST

[316Hornets]

If there's any silver lining, we would have won this game if the refs called it fair. In the 2nd half, I noticed Lamb get called for 2 dubious offensive fouls(hand checks), while Bulls were allowed to manhandle him in the lane. Kemba took the same type of abuse and not saying he was fouled on the last play, but a superstar would have got that call.

[Rich4114]

I am ready to start moving pieces out for different pieces that can fit better on this team. Everyone should be on the block.

[catch20two]

Clifford might want to change his approach on defending the PnR. Assuming that he’s still coaching going forward.

[catch20two]

The Bulls making 3pters didn’t make me nearly as mad as watching them make uncontested layups from lack of help side rotations. It happened a lot.

[BatumtheGlue]

Lolcats is back. Embarassing.

[Bassman]

I am ready to start moving pieces out for different pieces that can fit better on this team. Everyone should be on the block.

Everyone but Kemba. You couldn't deal Kemba for a group of players who would change this.

I fear the decisions made have doomed us to mediocrity for more years than we care to admit. I knew nothing was getting us close to the point of contending for a conference title, but we may never get out of first round he'll or worse.

The Dwight experiment has gone wrong, fast. This is all on Clifford, and firing him is inevitable. Repairing his damaged strategy and that of Cho's expensive investments in average players will drag on for quite a while.

[Joest2003]

Well we officially suck. No way to sugar coat it. I would like to see Kemba,Lamb.and Batum starting together. We are in desperate need of a defensive PF as well.

[Joest2003]

MKG + filler for Ibaka. Start Lamb at the 2 move Batum to the 3.

Kemba
Lamb
Batum
Ibaka
Cody

[Rich4114]

Cody, Monk and Frank for Cousins if we want to try and win now. If NO would do it.

[bws94]

Whatever messages Cliff is sending out isn't working. This team is better than this. It has holes, but Cliff's message isn't resulting into anything positive. Let someone else try.

[fatlever]

Rainman, 4th q Dwight and monk at pg. These are 3 biggest problems right now. Losing patience with cliff. He'll never change. He's got til Jan to turn this around. Team is out of excuses.

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[arthy704]

Just saw the full game highlights, our pick.and roll defense is horrible. We can't even keep our man in front of us resulting in the defense collapsing into the paint lead to open 3s easily. I saw some instance where kemba is just sagging roaming off his defender thinking his man is out of the play and get torch from 3. I was hoping Dwight would be our answer to protecting the paint and limit easy drives but it's not working well so.we have to commit to collapsing for help d.

[316Hornets]

Just saw the full game highlights, our pick.and roll defense is horrible. We can't even keep our man in front of us resulting in the defense collapsing into the paint lead to open 3s easily. I saw some instance where kemba is just sagging roaming off his defender thinking his man is out of the play and get torch from 3. I was hoping Dwight would be our answer to protecting the paint and limit easy drives but it's not working well so.we have to commit to collapsing for help d.

The problem is we rely too heavily on help defense. It's like every man has to guard 1.5 men. All of a sudden it's 7 on 5 because Cliff doesn't want to just play man on man.

I mean look at our offense, do you see people having problems with stopping us from getting open looks? Then why should we be having problems with Chicago's offense, which is very bad.

Fire Coach Clifford. He led us to some success, but it's just time to move on. Our guys aren't getting any younger and his system has never proved very good in the playoffs. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but just give someone else a shot, even if it's Stephen Silas. Any change is better than what we've been doing for the past few years.

This team is built to win now. Clifford didn't get us very far last year, and the story was because we had no center. Cho goes out and gets Clifford one of his favorite centers, and we're doing the same stuff. It's just not working.

[Braggins]

I'm not surprised at all by this L. We absolutely need to fire Clifford. There is no point in continuing this. Even in the few instances where Clifford has figured it out with a team it has taken at least half the season to get things in a somewhat workable order and we are piling up losses too fast to have that kind of time. We actually need a decent seed for a playoff run to have any meaning. 6-8 seed and first round exit is not acceptable with this team and it won't be long before we are looking at that as a best case scenario.

[Braggins]

This team is built to win now. Clifford didn't get us very far last year, and the story was because we had no center. Cho goes out and gets Clifford one of his favorite centers, and we're doing the same stuff. It's just not working.

The center issues last year were largely self imposed. Seems pretty obvious Frank is better as a center and we had MKG/Batum to fill in some of the PF minutes. Clifford was trotting out Hibbert/Hawes lineups because he is just that dumb and out of touch with the modern NBA, not because he had to.

I thought this year we finally had a Clifford proof team, but its starting to look like such a thing doesn't exist. I was actually hopeful the Dwight situation would work out and Clifford would be able to reign him in, but just like with Al, he is doing more enabling than reigning.

[amcoolio]

I guarantee if you put Frank Kaminsky at 5 in Boston he looks like an all-star.

I'm sure Mystical Apples can pull it up but anytime Clifford finally gets Frank some center minutes the team instantly clicks offensively and ball movement is beautiful.

There's no way his defense is as bad as Dwight's was last night.

The only problem I have with Cody is he doesn't have the body to be a consistent starter. The way he plays, taking all that contact and flailing around, he is a lock to get injured with heavy minutes.

When the Hornets had that 5 day break, I was like "great, they'll practice and get Dwight rolling in the PnR and stop the post ups 15 ft away from the basket". Instead it seems like that made it more an emphasis! Unbelievable. I wouldn't blame Kemba for wanting out.

When defense is that bad as it has been during this 6 game losing streak, its a sign the players don't believe in the coach.