Game 16: Utah Jazz @ Orlando Magic (7:00 PM EST)

Post #101 » by **FFBlitzace** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:05 am

I think the starters are capable of making a run, but there's no way that bench unit would be able to keep it going.

The fact that we're dead last in offensive rebounding is sad. Not many teams even play a real center big minutes anymore, and we play Vuc 30 minutes every night. On top of that, there was a time when he was one of the NBA's premiere players on putbacks. I remember calling him the best tipper inner I had seen since Ilgauskas. This year he's averaging .9 offensive rebounds per game and a career low 7.5 overall.

SHAQ32 · Post #102 » by **SHAQ32** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:05 am

OrlandoNed wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:Ingles game reminds me of Hedo

That’s a really good comparison! Would of been nice to sign him if we missed on Simmons.

Yeah I wanted him since last season. Jack-of-all-trades type, including defense, and no offense but you don't see too many white swingmen that are good defenders.

OrlandoNed · Post #103 » by **OrlandoNed** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:06 am

ChosenSavior wrote:Favors is absolutely destroying Vuc right now. It is pretty depressing to watch.

SOFT. AS. HELL.

Post #104 » by **SOUL** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:07 am

Our starters are still playing almost even with theirs, but our bench got destroyed.. but we have to get Fournier going and keep going to AG/Ross if they're hot.

And also play defense..

swarlesbarkley · Post #105 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:07 am

Why were we worried about Myles Turner's gait when Vuc looks like he's galloping when he's sprinting?

Ducklett · Post #106 » by **Ducklett** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:08 am

SOUL wrote:Our starters are still playing almost even with theirs, but our bench got destroyed.. but we have to get Fournier going and keep going to AG/Ross if they're hot.

And also play defense..

So we have no chance.

Post #107 » by **ChosenSavior** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:09 am

I've tried to stay away from disliking Vuc. Our perimeter defense sucks so that does not do him any favors (pun intended), but he offers absolutely no resistance at the rim. Hell he doesn't even take charges which would be the other thing he could do if he cannot be a shot blocker. His defense is totally reliant on whether his offense is going or not and I hate players like that. Good for him that he loves the beautiful city of Orlando but I think it is time for us to part ways and cash in while he still has value.

Post #108 » by **SOUL** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:10 am

One pick away from Porzingis :'(

That's still one argument I'm not letting go. WINNING GAMES AT THE END OF TANKING SEASONS IS STUPID. There is no "losing stink" that transfers. You know what transfers? Actual talent.

Post #109 » by **Bensational** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:11 am

SOUL wrote:Our starters are still playing almost even with theirs, but our bench got destroyed.. but we have to get Fournier going and keep going to AG/Ross if they're hot.

And also play defense..

Why did Vogel put Payton on the court, when he hardly ran a single play from the moment he came back in? Fournier, Ross and Gordon ran more plays, and Payton was just standing on an island on the perimeter.

We gotta get the others moving off the ball and Payton finding them.

Post #110 » by **ChosenSavior** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:12 am

SOUL wrote:One pick away from Porzingis :'(

That's still one argument I'm not letting go. WINNING GAMES AT THE END OF TANKING SEASONS IS STUPID. There is no "losing stink" that transfers. You know what transfers? Actual talent.

We were one pick away from Embiid as well. How fitting would that have been to have another dominating center in Orlando again... :cry:

Post #111 » by **SOUL** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:13 am

Bensational wrote:
SOUL wrote:Our starters are still playing almost even with theirs, but our bench got destroyed.. but we have to get Fournier going and keep going to AG/Ross if they're hot.

And also play defense..

Why did Vogel put Payton on the court, when he hardly ran a single play from the moment he came back in? Fournier, Ross and Gordon ran more plays, and Payton was just standing on an island on the perimeter.

We gotta get the others moving off the ball and Payton finding them.

He got Ross going on a few passes, but yeah I agree. I mean.. I'm not even worried about our offense right now, we're getting okay looks but it's still not great. It's hard when we're taking the ball out of the rim every possession and then just running curls for Fournier or Ross every time down.

We have to clamp down on defense or it's going to be over quickly.

Post #112 » by **FFBlitzace** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:14 am

The reality is, no matter who you are, drivers are going to get into the paint sometimes and it's going to be a shot attempt against the big man help. Doesn't it seem like it's extremely easy for the driver to score on Vuc in that situation? If Vuc steps too far up, he's way too slow footed and they just blow by him. If he stays back, they just scoop it up under him as soon as he rises to challenge. It shouldn't be that easy when you sit back and wait to challenge at the basket, but it ends up being that easy every time. It's confusing sometimes how easy it is for players to score on him right at the rim. Even with minimal effort, he's a large man.

Post #113 » by **SOUL** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:15 am

OT... Sixers just dropped 47 on the Warriors in the FIRST Q. Wow.

YosemiteSam · Post #114 » by **YosemiteSam** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:18 am

I'm at this game right behind the Jazz bench. This performance is 100% lack of effort. Defense is a turnstile and offense is just standing around. Feel like they are stealing my money.

T-Cat · Post #115 » by **T-Cat** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:18 am

ChosenSavior wrote:
SOUL wrote:One pick away from Porzingis :'(

That's still one argument I'm not letting go. WINNING GAMES AT THE END OF TANKING SEASONS IS STUPID. There is no "losing stink" that transfers. You know what transfers? Actual talent.

We were one pick away from Embiid as well. How fitting would that have been to have another dominating center in Orlando again...

You guys need to let that memory go!

How do you think the Lakers and Sixers feel when they passed up on KP in 2015?

Post #116 » by **ChosenSavior** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:19 am

The ball movement is completely gone now.

Post #117 » by **FFBlitzace** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:21 am

Vuc can score (not on an all-star level, but he can score), but he can't guard pick and roll. Biz is mobile enough to guard pick and roll, but his lack of height matters sometimes and offensively he's a liability. I'm starting to think that just a mediocre big man who can guard pick and roll decently, get a couple offensive boards, and finish shots at the rim would be a decent fit.

God I don't know. I'm just mad and tired of seeing open layups and dunks.

T-Cat · Post #118 » by **T-Cat** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:22 am

ChosenSavior wrote:The ball movement is completely gone now.

Should we blow it up and have a fire sale?

kane0801 · Post #119 » by **kane0801** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:22 am

vuc can't get reb,sigh

TBbucmagicORL · Post #120 » by **TBbucmagicORL** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:26 am

I leave to get food at half and come back to this. Wth happened to this team?

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