Motor Keeps Going: The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread III

Post #1181 » by **Diop** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 12:31 am

amcoolio wrote: At least Cho stopped dicking around with his draft model and finally went BPA and took Monk.

At the time I believe MKG was considered the BPA by most scouts (worst 2nd prize ever?).
That's what Bonnell reported at the time and he didn't like him. Bonnell was team Robinson.

Bassman · Post #1182 » by **Bassman** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 2:21 am

Coming back needs to be permanent...no slipping back into issues. That's not being harsh. The team matters, and his contributions either need consistency, impact and dependability or park it until ready to do it.

Real life folks.

HoopsMalone · Post #1183 » by **HoopsMalone** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 2:50 am

chabber wrote:
316Hornets wrote:
fatlever wrote:MKG will be with team in Boston on Thursday per RB

Awesome news. Hopefully there aren't any Boston fans that give him any sht. I was looking at Twitter and as bad as some people on this board think some of us are, you'd lose your sht over some of the nasty tweets people have been sending to MKG.

Ughh, makes me sick thinking about it. Some people are just dicks.

Twitter is just a cess pool of losers and insecure teenagers who make themselves feel better about their sad lives by belitting others. It's ridiculous... imagine being an athlete and having everyone blow smoke up your butt everyday to your face and then getting 10,000 (Please Use More Appropriate Word) tweets on your phone... it's got to be so confusing and surreal to be famous. And we wonder why these people are so maladjusted and do stupid crap and act like idiots

Benjamin Linus · Post #1184 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 3:49 pm

Diop wrote:
amcoolio wrote: At least Cho stopped dicking around with his draft model and finally went BPA and took Monk.

At the time I believe MKG was considered the BPA by most scouts (worst 2nd prize ever?).
That's what Bonnell reported at the time and he didn't like him. Bonnell was team Robinson.

MKG might have been considered one of the safest players in that draft or the player most linked to Charlotte, but he definitely wasn't considered BPA. That was the thing about that draft, there was no consensus. It was so wide open after Davis, picks 2 through 9 could have gone in any order. Hell, even Lamb was a wild card to go in the top four.

Post #1185 » by **Diop** » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:50 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:
Diop wrote:
amcoolio wrote: At least Cho stopped dicking around with his draft model and finally went BPA and took Monk.

At the time I believe MKG was considered the BPA by most scouts (worst 2nd prize ever?).
That's what Bonnell reported at the time and he didn't like him. Bonnell was team Robinson.

MKG might have been considered one of the safest players in that draft or the player most linked to Charlotte, but he definitely wasn't considered BPA. That was the thing about that draft, there was no consensus. It was so wide open after Davis, picks 2 through 9 could have gone in any order. Hell, even Lamb was a wild card to go in the top four.

i just remember a Bonnell tweet, I can't refer to it as he has blocked me :lol:

, where ever he was covering the draft at the time, all the scouts there said that MKG was the best after AD.

Could've only been 2 crappy scouts, but I was just referring to that tweet from Bonnell and indicating that MKG wasn't necessarily a weird Cho model pick

Hornet Mania · Post #1186 » by **Hornet Mania** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:25 pm

I can't remember if MKG was considered 'safe' but he absolutely was considered to have the highest ceiling after AD, and a solid floor given his work ethic. Scottie Pippen was his usual comp, an you know MJ must have loved that. I recall an interview Jordan gave where he praised MKG as a good pickup because even if he didn't become he centerpiece he was an elite level "connector" who would just make the game easier for everyone else, like Scottie did for the Bulls. Bonnell mentions it here:

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2012/11/michael-jordan-on-owning-the-charlotte-bobcats-im-in-it-for-the-long-haul.html

All that combined with being the youngest player in the entire draft made him enticing. I didn't have a favorite back then, I liked Drummond best but knew we'd never pick him because Biz and his draft stock being bad in general, but when MKG was the pick it seemed uncontroversial.

euphorbus · Post #1187 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:05 pm

Looking over the shooting stats for early in the season, Kidd-Gilchrist is leading the team in percentage at .593. Of course, he has only played in six games and only has 27 field goal attempts. Monk, in contrast, has 123 attempts, and Kaminsky 112. Monk is shooting .341. Perhaps he should shoot a lot less and Michael should shoot a bit more. If he can continue to be efficient, it makes a big difference to the future of the team.

HoopsMalone · Post #1188 » by **HoopsMalone** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:17 pm

Guys jumper is really improving but he needs to be able to hit the 3. He's not getting to the line this year because he's just shooting midrange. He's been on fire though, 64% TS from a non 3 pt shooter is pretty nuts

HornetJail · Post #1189 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:52 pm

MKG kicked ass last night. Hope to see more of that this season. Would love to see some 3PAs though

arthy704 · Post #1190 » by **arthy704** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:07 am

If only we get the mkg that was shooting 3s I think when he return frim.his shoulder injury playing against ny? That would be nice

Braggins · Post #1191 » by **Braggins** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:49 am

MKG needs to be assertive and force a bigger offensive role for himself. He doesn't need to be taking a ton of shots or anything, but running the offense through him a bit every now and then is more desirable than running it through Dwight and him being aggressive and not letting his man off the hook will help open things up a bit for other players.

euphorbus · Post #1192 » by **euphorbus** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:24 pm

After last night's debacle, Kidd-Gilchrist is still shooting .617 with an insane .632 TS%.

HornetJail · Post #1193 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:11 am

euphorbus wrote:After last night's debacle, Kidd-Gilchrist is still shooting .617 with an insane .632 TS%.

And he's 10-19 on shots outside of 10 feet. 4-4 from 10-16 feet, 6-14 from 16-arc, and 0-1 from deep. As great as that is, we've really got to start seeing some corner threes at some point. Defenses are perfectly fine giving up long 2s to a guy who used to shoot sideways.

Hornet Mania · Post #1194 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:48 pm

Shooting is improving, and the biggest improvement imo is that he's finding his shot organically within the flow of the offense and he's not scared to take it every time anymore.

Things that are still annoying:

-He needs a rhythm dribble every damn time. Even when it makes his shot more difficult, he has to pound the ball once before he launches it. Catch-and-shoot is the next frontier

-FFS shoot a three.

If I were in Cliff's shoes I'd buy a super-extendo selfie stick, attach a Mickey Mouse-type plush glove to the end of it, and every time MKG caught the ball at the 3pt stripe and turned it into a long two with his stupid rhythm dribble I'd smack him in the back of the head with it.

LamarMatic7 · Post #1195 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:48 pm

Meanwhile, what Aaron Gordon is doing in Orlando....

In hindsight, MKG over Bradley Beal was a very bad pick to make in 2012. Yes, it was still during a time when the discourse was "this guy can't shoot, but he'll figure it out, will be a defensive stopper and at the least will be an awesome slasher off his athleticism". But, man... Everybody also knew that Beal would at least be a 16PPG scorer as a pro.

The three-ball revolution was just around the corner and now GM's would sweat bullets if they picked someone like MKG with the second pick. That pick wouldn't have happened two years later probably.

And, guess what, he never really showed the nuclear athleticism that someone like Gerald Wallace (his draft comp.) had. Can you name a great wing athlete who couldn't really jump off one foot? MKG is even miles away from the Trevor Ariza's of the world.

Aaron Gordon is like the 2.0 MKG pick. You could already sense that this guy will just have to find his place as a 4 (and has the size for the modern 4), the shot wasn't there, yet he had actual, you know, shot mechanics and he is just flat out a much better athlete.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1196 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:32 pm

While everyone (me included) bitches about Monk, Frank, and almost everyone else on this team MKG is quietly turning it up. 14/7 on 60% shooting last 5 games. I like it.

HornetJail · Post #1197 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:37 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:While everyone (me included) bitches about Monk, Frank, and almost everyone else on this team MKG is quietly turning it up. 14/7 on 60% shooting last 5 games. I like it.

The first three games of that stretch he was shooting 22-29 (76%) from the field averaging 16 a game. He's really been one of the lone bright spots lately.

Post #1198 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:46 am

Just looked up to learn MKG is 24. Honestly I could have sworn he was 27, feels like he's been around forever.

HornetJail · Post #1199 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:53 am

yosemiteben wrote:Just looked up to learn MKG is 24. Honestly I could have sworn he was 27, feels like he's been around forever.

Younger than the reigning Rookie of the Year

catch20two · Post #1200 » by **catch20two** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 4:33 am

I don’t like that MKG’s minutes have been decreasing and what make it even more dislikable is that it’s happening at a time when he’s showing more promise offensively. MKG had a 62 TS% in January and has shot over 60 TS% the past 8 games but yet his playing time is diminishing. I’m about 2-3 more games away from MCW taking time away from MKG in meaningful minutes from abandoning the Lamb Sheep Jeep Petition Bandwagon for the MKG Positive Net RTG Bandwagon.