Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't think it's very weird. The diagnosis doesn't even matter. Whether he tore his labrum or has a paper cut, if the pain isn't allowing him to shoot normally, then he's gonna sit until he can. Not sure why that's so complicated.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Actual doctors disagree. Read the article by Dr. Chao posted on a previous page.

The twitter guy who comments on every sports-related injury he sees on tv by making estimated, albeit educated, guesses? He doesn't have any access to Fultz like the multiple specialists who have examined and cleared him any or anything that could lead to structural damage.

And you do?

[Kobblehead]

I don't think it's very weird. The diagnosis doesn't even matter. Whether he tore his labrum or has a paper cut, if the pain isn't allowing him to shoot normally, then he's gonna sit until he can. Not sure why that's so complicated.

Well, it's pretty unprecedented. And the agent not even having his story straight is outright disturbing.

It's troubling what kind of psyche we're potentially dealing with. Professional athletes basically go through their entire careers sore. We've seen Fultz shut it down twice now at the first sign of discomfort.

[ivysixer2000]

Being cautious with Embiid after having major back, foot and knee injuries actually makes sense.

Allowing Ben to sit out a year for a 3 month injury was excessive, but the injury was a serious one.

This Fultz situation is just weird. He's been put on the shelf for multiple weeks just for experiencing soreness.

Really, we just care more now cause we are actually trying to win. Simmons was held out wayyyyyy too long, while Embiid shouldn't have been held out all training camp and still being held out for back to backs.

That didn't matter though, cause we were tanking. Now everyone wants to win, as I do, cause you will see me pissed off in game threads. But I still know Fultz needs to get healthy though, so this doesn't go on for the rest of the season.

I see the reason for wanting him to play of course, we don't have a guard who can slash and make a shot....but we still have to wait on Fultz to have whatever is wrong with him right so he can not only slash but shoot the ball.

[Kobblehead]

I get wanting to give the benefit of doubt and just look away until he gets back on the court and starts balling for us.

But this situation is weird. It's not normal for athletes to pull themselves off the court for soreness. And it's really disturbing that he used his agent, in an incoherent flip-floppy way, to use the public relations into forcing the team to grant him a leave to deal with said soreness.

[Ryuzaki]

I don't think it's very weird. The diagnosis doesn't even matter. Whether he tore his labrum or has a paper cut, if the pain isn't allowing him to shoot normally, then he's gonna sit until he can. Not sure why that's so complicated.

This * infinity

[KrazySixersD]

this is the rumored good news!?!?

another 2 to 3 weeks to be evaluated again?

lmfao, Ok, I am now starting to question this guy... this is legit a joke

[Ericb5]

He's sore, he's not hurt. It's factually incorrect to claim he has an injury. He's had multiple specialists come out and not find any structural damage now.

He and his agent made a public cry to shame the organization into giving him time off to get over the soreness. He pulled himself off the court. The team wants him out there. This is nothing like the Embiid/Simmons situations. Again, those players were actually injured.

You don’t need to have structural damage for there to be an injury. Pain is evidence enough, and further it isn’t like he was refusing to play. He played. It was just causing him to not be able to shoot correctly.

This isn’t a Theo Ratliff situation where he would literally refuse to play when the doctors said that they couldn’t find anything wrong with him.

Regardless of the cause, he needs to fix his shoulder in order for him to be the player that he was in the summer. THAT player can help the team, and lets get him back to there so he can do that.


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[Ericb5]

Being cautious with Embiid after having major back, foot and knee injuries actually makes sense.

Allowing Ben to sit out a year for a 3 month injury was excessive, but the injury was a serious one.

This Fultz situation is just weird. He's been put on the shelf for multiple weeks just for experiencing soreness.

...and not being able to shoot with his regular form. He wasn’t going to get better by continuing to play, and he wasn’t contributing to the team.


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[Ericb5]

I don't think it's very weird. The diagnosis doesn't even matter. Whether he tore his labrum or has a paper cut, if the pain isn't allowing him to shoot normally, then he's gonna sit until he can. Not sure why that's so complicated.

Exactly.


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[CoreyGallagher]

Simmons and Embiid have looked fantastic after time off, not sure why the sudden impatience.

[Negrodamus]

Being cautious with Embiid after having major back, foot and knee injuries actually makes sense.

Allowing Ben to sit out a year for a 3 month injury was excessive, but the injury was a serious one.

This Fultz situation is just weird. He's been put on the shelf for multiple weeks just for experiencing soreness.

...and not being able to shoot with his regular form. He wasn’t going to get better by continuing to play, and he wasn’t contributing to the team.


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https://youtu.be/8GAcA0F2qvw?t=4m32s

Except he did shoot with a normal form. I think forgotten in this whole saga is that aside from a few shots, his in game jumpers looked somewhat normal when he took them. It was his free throws and the agent, confusingly, saying he couldn't lift his arm that has many convinced this is 100% an injury.

Is there scapular imbalance? Definitely. Can he play on it? It appears so based on the beginning of the season. My question to those of you that want this young team to step on the necks of the Warriors in the second half: Do you think Kobe would sit for 6 weeks because of a scapular imbalance? How about Iverson?

I'm not questioning Fultz's toughness. He's a 19 year old kid that's likely being told what to do by his agent and the Sixers. I'm sure he'd rather be out there. I do think there is something more going on with that shot, though. And his agent, and now the team, are trying to nip it in the bud before every free throw attempt becomes a must see attraction (which, in turn, can mess with Fultz's head).

[cksdayoff]

late in the colleg bball season i saw his s**** center LAND on fultz’s ankle while fultz was laying face first on the ground, toes pointed downward, with his entire weight causing fultz foot to fling outwards. potential horrific injury with fultz being helped into the lockerroom, thought he ruptured his achilles or broke his ankle. the kid came back the next game like nothing happened. fultz was also wreckless as a kid on his bmx doing dumb stunts and s****, always coming home with cuts, scrapes, bruises. i wouldn’t question his toughness at all.

i also dont understand why some people think fultz is scared to shoot. there’s currently one player in the league that i know of that’s scared to shoot the ball and that’s lonzo ball. absolutely terrible shooter that cant hit the side of a barn currently. fultz hasnt faced consistent failure yet shooting the ball. there hasnt been a scenario where he’s been so bad for multiple games for him to be psychological wounded for him to stop shooting the ball, that theory is pretty ridiculous and silly imo.

the guy has a shoulder injury plain and simple. i dont think some of you realize how many muscle groups you’re using just lifting your arm above your head or over your shoulder. muscle pain is no joke. just be glad that it’s not structural

[HotelVitale]

Simmons and Embiid have looked fantastic after time off, not sure why the sudden impatience.

Right right. They've been so successful after years off that Pelton did a dumb article the other day asking 'should all rookies sit and observe for a year before playing?' The answer was no of course, but it did raise the pts that there's not much benefit in rushing folks onto the court and that there are some benefits to adjusting to the NBA from the sidelines.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Being cautious with Embiid after having major back, foot and knee injuries actually makes sense.

Allowing Ben to sit out a year for a 3 month injury was excessive, but the injury was a serious one.

This Fultz situation is just weird. He's been put on the shelf for multiple weeks just for experiencing soreness.

...and not being able to shoot with his regular form. He wasn’t going to get better by continuing to play, and he wasn’t contributing to the team.


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https://youtu.be/8GAcA0F2qvw?t=4m32s

Except he did shoot with a normal form. I think forgotten in this whole saga is that aside from a few shots, his in game jumpers looked somewhat normal when he took them. It was his free throws and the agent, confusingly, saying he couldn't lift his arm that has many convinced this is 100% an injury.

Is there scapular imbalance? Definitely. Can he play on it? It appears so based on the beginning of the season. My question to those of you that want this young team to step on the necks of the Warriors in the second half: Do you think Kobe would sit for 6 weeks because of a scapular imbalance? How about Iverson?

I'm not questioning Fultz's toughness. He's a 19 year old kid that's likely being told what to do by his agent and the Sixers. I'm sure he'd rather be out there. I do think there is something more going on with that shot, though. And his agent, and now the team, are trying to nip it in the bud before every free throw attempt becomes a must see attraction (which, in turn, can mess with Fultz's head).

At 19 years old? Yeah I think both those guys sit.

Unless someone can provide me an example of a player that has played through this particular injury than this notion that it's just regular soreness and should be played through is completely off-base. I've never heard of the this injury before this situation so who am I to say it's just regular soreness and something that he should play through?

[Negrodamus]

...and not being able to shoot with his regular form. He wasn’t going to get better by continuing to play, and he wasn’t contributing to the team.


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https://youtu.be/8GAcA0F2qvw?t=4m32s

Except he did shoot with a normal form. I think forgotten in this whole saga is that aside from a few shots, his in game jumpers looked somewhat normal when he took them. It was his free throws and the agent, confusingly, saying he couldn't lift his arm that has many convinced this is 100% an injury.

Is there scapular imbalance? Definitely. Can he play on it? It appears so based on the beginning of the season. My question to those of you that want this young team to step on the necks of the Warriors in the second half: Do you think Kobe would sit for 6 weeks because of a scapular imbalance? How about Iverson?

I'm not questioning Fultz's toughness. He's a 19 year old kid that's likely being told what to do by his agent and the Sixers. I'm sure he'd rather be out there. I do think there is something more going on with that shot, though. And his agent, and now the team, are trying to nip it in the bud before every free throw attempt becomes a must see attraction (which, in turn, can mess with Fultz's head).

At 19 years old? Yeah I think both those guys sit.

Unless someone can provide me an example of a player that has played through this particular injury than this notion that it's just regular soreness and should be played through is completely off-base. I've never heard of the this injury before this situation so who am I to say it's just regular soreness and something that he should play through?

Then the Sixers medical staff has botched this one because if it's as serious as some of you suggest, then he should have never played past the scrimmage before the season.

[Ayt]

I'm assuming we should've put Ben or Jojo out there during their 'vacations', cause there are times where both could've played but were held out. If we could wait on them, we can wait on Fultz.....except he seems to have alot more haters on this board.

The difference is that the organization was on-board with Simmons and Embiid sitting out. Also, both actually had structural damage to their body. Aka actual injuries.

Fultz is calling his own shots and pissing off the organization. A professional athlete missing 2 months for soreness is unheard of.

You need structural damage to have an "actual injury?"

[theo42]

http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/markelle-futlz-progressing-not-ready-return-sixers-yet

progressing but not yet. will restart practice soon, reevaluate in another 2-3 weeks.

[nrok10307]

I'm assuming we should've put Ben or Jojo out there during their 'vacations', cause there are times where both could've played but were held out. If we could wait on them, we can wait on Fultz.....except he seems to have alot more haters on this board.

The difference is that the organization was on-board with Simmons and Embiid sitting out. Also, both actually had structural damage to their body. Aka actual injuries.

Fultz is calling his own shots and pissing off the organization. A professional athlete missing 2 months for soreness is unheard of.

You need structural damage to have an "actual injury?"

Having structural damage would usually require surgery or at least immobilzation - physical therapy would help but typically wont cure it. The reason the sixers emphasize no structural damage is so we know its not a serious long term issue. Kobblehead seems to think this is Colangelo throwing Fultz under the bus...

[LloydFree]

All I know is that when he comes back from this debilitating injury, he'll be prime Dwayne Wade...