All Things Luka Doncic

[XTraderXL]

@Mirotic12
European strength and conditioning regimes are not even close to what they have in the US. Why do you think so many Euro players go to the US to work on their bodies in the summer but no US player comes to Europe for the same thing? If you really think that Euro teams have the same type of training as NBA, then you really dont know what you are talking about. I have talked to players who played in Europe and play/used to play in the NBA and they all say there is no comparison and everything is on a much, much higher level in the NBA.

True dat. If people are not discussing in good faith, there is no point. Some people just like to use internetz for measuring their penis size. As I said, you can't argue with the results. NBA produces freaks out of Euro players that look like a joke. The rest of the page I see is again troll feeding party. They always wake up 48 hours after last game. Too bad Doncic will only play 80 games this season. If he played every day this thread would have been half the length. When is the next game, can't come soon enough.

how come marc gasol and pau gasol are not ripped cartoon superman caracters dunking over people with their improved nba trained leaping ability, compared to their barcelona days?

and doncic will never do above average athletic things, dunks, leaps, and quick moves even if he dedicates his whole training toward that goal. if you dont posses that much observing, human judging skills then i cant help you neither.

the above is childish, and the hints about me being a troll. when the next person says im trolling this doncic threat (presumably by me saying he can have a nice nba career) i will report to the mods, and they can decide. im shure they will look at this thing with more objectivity then most of posters here

So you claim that Doncic will not get faster, stronger and more explosive when he gets to the NBA? If you do, you will look pretty ridiculous

[CptCrunch]

Our Luka in Europe,
hallowed be your play,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
in America as it is in Europe.

Give us this day our highlights.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those prospects
who tempt us.

And lead us not into failure,
but deliver us from tanking.

For yours is the kingdom,
and the stats, and the wins,
for ever and ever. Dončić.

Can we create a Luka fan club, for record keeping purposes, so we know when everyone jumped on board for posterity's sake?

[Nikson]

Luka is the next big thing. Not just in basketball!
Now he is dividing, later he will conquer.

[pacersGM]

True dat. If people are not discussing in good faith, there is no point. Some people just like to use internetz for measuring their penis size. As I said, you can't argue with the results. NBA produces freaks out of Euro players that look like a joke. The rest of the page I see is again troll feeding party. They always wake up 48 hours after last game. Too bad Doncic will only play 80 games this season. If he played every day this thread would have been half the length. When is the next game, can't come soon enough.

how come marc gasol and pau gasol are not ripped cartoon superman caracters dunking over people with their improved nba trained leaping ability, compared to their barcelona days?

and doncic will never do above average athletic things, dunks, leaps, and quick moves even if he dedicates his whole training toward that goal. if you dont posses that much observing, human judging skills then i cant help you neither.

the above is childish, and the hints about me being a troll. when the next person says im trolling this doncic threat (presumably by me saying he can have a nice nba career) i will report to the mods, and they can decide. im shure they will look at this thing with more objectivity then most of posters here

So you claim that Doncic will not get faster, stronger and more explosive when he gets to the NBA? If you do, you will look pretty ridiculous

I am claiming doncic will become much stronger, but not faster, quicker, he wont jump much higher, he wont be dunking 360 dunks. That is what i am claiming.

I am also claiming he or jokic wont be a ripped player ever in his career, i am also claiming europeams who went into the nba never became "monsters" by some magical nba athletic workouts etc.

I am claiming anthony randolph is much stronger smarter at 28, but also slower, less quick and less vertical thrn at 19 in the nba.

So everybody waiting for doncics miracular athletic gains other then in the strength department will be dissapointed, as they wont be visible to such degree as many here would like

[XTraderXL]

I agree that he will never be a super athlete but I he will be good enough to not have major issues in the NBA. If you really apply yourself to athletic training you can improve more than you think. I know it first hand. The problem with that is that you really have to put in the time and it takes away from developing basketball skills.

In any case, he will be noticeably better with NBA training just like he was much improved during summer 2016 when he spent a month in USA working mostly on his body. His explosiveness right now is at such a level that it can be improved quite significantly.

[J_T]

Luka is the next big thing. Not just in basketball!
Now he is dividing, later he will conquer.

There will be an X Files episode about him, you heard it here first. Well, you've heard a LOT of things here first, most of them sillier than this, but remember the X Files one.

[reanimator]

All players get "more athletic" their first few years in the league as they gain their man muscles and go through NBA S&C.

That said, I don't think Doncic is suddenly going to develop a good 1st step or become a great leaper in traffic.

I do think he can succeed without being an insane athlete but the shot will have to reach near elite status or he will have to develop some some craft around the rim.

[FlorentinoPerez]

We all know that I can find a clip that shows any NBA player as a below average player. I watched a while ago a video showing LBJ as player who is not able to finish the games when it matters, making sometimes unbelievable decisions during clutch time, looking like he was panicking. I'd still have him on my team, though.

I don't know if you've been following him closely, haven't seen many posts in this thread. But it's important to note that he has been physically improving and there is no doubt he will massively improve when in NBA. I don't even want to know what they do in NBA to the players, but whatever it is, they don't do it in Real. I look at results, not at bank account. Real Madrid players are not suddenly turning into freaks of nature one by one. I'm not saying it will happen, but I think there is even chance of him becoming above average player physically in every regard. Euro player transformations in NBA that I have witnessed in last 25 years are just scary sometimes.

I think PEDs are common uses in the NBA, but you have to remember that the NBA has a much much better overall strength and conditioning programs than Europe. The NBA is a multi-billion dollar business and there's a heavy dire and emphasis on physic.

The NBA doesn't make non-athletic players more athletic. They make the athletic players stronger, while trying to maintain their same level of quickness. The only player in mind who actually became quicker after going into the NBA is Gordon Hayward. He was faster and more athletic than Doncic, but he went from above average to good/great.

Real Madrid is considered the biggest sports club in the world. They have the absolute best of the best of the best training programs. In terms of designer PEDs, whatever any NBA team has, I would be very surprised if Real Madrid does not have something similar.

We are talking about freaking Real Madrid here.... sure, you could probably indeed be right if you took some average random European basketball team, that NBA probably has much better training programs, especially for non-EuroLeague teams. But for the biggest EuroLeague teams, especially the ones that are also huge multi-sports clubs, based around football clubs - it simply isn't true in the least.

Those big European clubs spend enormous amounts of money on their training programs. They have the absolute most advanced training programs that exist. No way does the NBA have anything better than huge European clubs like that.

Yes, Real is the best club in the world and their training programs, doctors, etc, are top, but they are 90% focus on football
They dont have specific elite basketball tools
That said, Real is dominating the younger categories in basketball since a lot of years, they are working very hard on scouting and developing young players.

[BoardCrusher]

Last summer, Doncic had about 88 cm vertical, Im sure he is able to improve it for atleast 10% if not more, he should be able to improve his lateral quickness for about the same %

[agentofatlas]

Projecting him to be a plus athlete after NBA training is ridiculous. The only thing we can be sure off is that he’ll increase his strength. And that’s great for him since he is very physical player.

[Mirotic12]

I agree that he will never be a super athlete but I he will be good enough to not have major issues in the NBA. If you really apply yourself to athletic training you can improve more than you think. I know it first hand. The problem with that is that you really have to put in the time and it takes away from developing basketball skills.

In any case, he will be noticeably better with NBA training just like he was much improved during summer 2016 when he spent a month in USA working mostly on his body. His explosiveness right now is at such a level that it can be improved quite significantly.

It's factually incorrect that he does not have access to the best possible training in Real Madrid. It's your own personal opinion.

Last summer, Doncic had about 88 cm vertical, Im sure he is able to improve it for atleast 10% if not more, he should be able to improve his lateral quickness for about the same %

Which is about 34 1/2 inches. Which is decent for a guy his size. But his vertical leap is one of his by far best athletic attributes. His dexterity, hand-eye coordination, and vertical jumping are clearly his best athletic attributes.

[stitches]

I agree that he will never be a super athlete but I he will be good enough to not have major issues in the NBA. If you really apply yourself to athletic training you can improve more than you think. I know it first hand. The problem with that is that you really have to put in the time and it takes away from developing basketball skills.

In any case, he will be noticeably better with NBA training just like he was much improved during summer 2016 when he spent a month in USA working mostly on his body. His explosiveness right now is at such a level that it can be improved quite significantly.

It's factually incorrect that he does not have access to the best possible training in Real Madrid. It's your own personal opinion.

Last summer, Doncic had about 88 cm vertical, Im sure he is able to improve it for atleast 10% if not more, he should be able to improve his lateral quickness for about the same %

Which is about 34 1/2 inches. Which is decent for a guy his size. But his vertical leap is one of his by far best athletic attributes. His dexterity, hand-eye coordination, and vertical jumping are clearly his best athletic attributes.

The comp I've liked for him for a while now has been James Harden in Gordon Hayward's body. Hayward tested similarly at the combine at 34 inches vertical leap. I don't think his athleticism will be a serious plus, but I've noticed that whatever athleticism and jumping ability he has - he utilizes all of it when finishing around the rim.

[XTraderXL]

I agree that he will never be a super athlete but I he will be good enough to not have major issues in the NBA. If you really apply yourself to athletic training you can improve more than you think. I know it first hand. The problem with that is that you really have to put in the time and it takes away from developing basketball skills.

In any case, he will be noticeably better with NBA training just like he was much improved during summer 2016 when he spent a month in USA working mostly on his body. His explosiveness right now is at such a level that it can be improved quite significantly.

It's factually incorrect that he does not have access to the best possible training in Real Madrid. It's your own personal opinion.

Last summer, Doncic had about 88 cm vertical, Im sure he is able to improve it for atleast 10% if not more, he should be able to improve his lateral quickness for about the same %

Which is about 34 1/2 inches. Which is decent for a guy his size. But his vertical leap is one of his by far best athletic attributes. His dexterity, hand-eye coordination, and vertical jumping are clearly his best athletic attributes.

Then why did Real send him to USA in 2016 to work with American coaches and his physical improvement was the biggest so far in only 1 month? If Rael was really the best in this segment, they would have kept him in Madrid and work with him.

And I told you I have talked to multiple ex EL, now NBA players and they all said the same thing. Should I believe actual NBA players or you on this subject?

[batigol18]

Hi did this when he was 16 years old

Watch on YouTube

So unathletic...

[J_T]

Gotta be honest, I wouldn't be showing that video as a proof of him being athletic. The dude is 6'8, he can dunk even by accident. The video title is also misleading, he has probably 50 better dunks than that. Also I don't think anyone sane in the thread is actually arguing that he can't reach high, vertically.

[PhilBlackson]

Hi did this when he was 16 years old

Watch on YouTube

So unathletic...

9 ft rim.

[saphan]

https://www.thestepien.com/individual-rankings/

At The Stepien, new drafting website (now that draftexpess is done), they all seem to unanimously agree who no.1 is. Not only that, they all put Luka as the only player in tier 1 category.

[CptCrunch]

https://www.thestepien.com/individual-rankings/

At The Stepien, new drafting website (now that draftexpess is done), they all seem to unanimously agree who no.1 is. Not only that, they all put Luka as the only player in tier 1 category.

lol @ Bagley at #9 overall.

lol @ Marc Whittington putting Bagley as his 17th best prospect on his board. The guy is a crap spammer from Sixers Liberty Baller with an intense irrational hatred for Duke players and has been critiquing Okafor for years (check out his Twitter). If you cannot put your personal biases aside, you shouldn't be trying to write basketball.

I've also expressed how low quality I think JZ Mazlish's writing is in the past. The Stepien is a joke.

[Bluewaterheaven]

https://www.thestepien.com/individual-rankings/

At The Stepien, new drafting website (now that draftexpess is done), they all seem to unanimously agree who no.1 is. Not only that, they all put Luka as the only player in tier 1 category.

lol @ Bagley at #9 overall.

lol @ Marc Whittington putting Bagley as his 17th best prospect on his board. The guy is a crap spammer from Sixers Liberty Baller with an intense irrational hatred for Duke players and has been critiquing Okafor for years (check out his Twitter). If you cannot put your personal biases aside, you shouldn't be trying to write basketball.

I've also expressed how low quality I think JZ Mazlish's writing is in the past. The Stepien is a joke.

Bagley is proving night in and night out he is not a top 5 pick. Don't get me wrong he has the potential to be one of the best players in the league, but man is he raw. He is Tyrus Thomas raw.

[CptCrunch]

https://www.thestepien.com/individual-rankings/

At The Stepien, new drafting website (now that draftexpess is done), they all seem to unanimously agree who no.1 is. Not only that, they all put Luka as the only player in tier 1 category.

lol @ Bagley at #9 overall.

lol @ Marc Whittington putting Bagley as his 17th best prospect on his board. The guy is a crap spammer from Sixers Liberty Baller with an intense irrational hatred for Duke players and has been critiquing Okafor for years (check out his Twitter). If you cannot put your personal biases aside, you shouldn't be trying to write basketball.

I've also expressed how low quality I think JZ Mazlish's writing is in the past. The Stepien is a joke.

Bagley is proving night in and night out he is not a top 5 pick. Don't get me wrong he has the potential to be one of the best players in the league, but man is he raw. He is Tyrus Thomas raw.

Another set of double standards at play here. For Duke players, 'rawness' is a sign of low NBA ceiling. For players of last school, 'rawness' is a sign of unlimited future development. I saw this set of narratives used against Tatum in favor or Jackson and Issac.