Game 10: Harbaugh's at McCarthy's - High Noon - CBS

[Ron Swanson]

Embarrassing. I was at the last game that they were shut out at home (2006 vs. NE), but we were like "Well, at least it's the Patriots". Don't know what you say after that game though. I have a hard time remembering a performance that pathetic in front of the home fans, against a bad football team no less.

Thought that there was basically zero chance of McCarthy getting canned this offseason regardless of what happens, but man, they have another performance like that? You owe it to the fans and the organization to look for an improvement.

[ReginaldDwight]

When you start a CFL QB what do you expect?

[Kerb Hohl]

Embarrassing. I was at the last game that they were shut out at home (2006 vs. NE), but we were like "Well, at least it's the Patriots". Don't know what you say after that game though. I have a hard time remembering a performance that pathetic in front of the home fans, against a bad football team no less.

Thought that there was basically zero chance of McCarthy getting canned this offseason regardless of what happens, but man, they have another performance like that? You owe it to the fans and the organization to look for an improvement.

Yes, the now probably 29th-30th worst talented team in the NFL needs to "try harder." I'm all for firing McCarthy, but the talent is ****. I think McCarthy hasn't adapted to the league over the last 5 or so years and have been lukewarm on him over that timeframe, but I don't think Belichick could polish this turd of a roster.

[Ron Swanson]

Embarrassing. I was at the last game that they were shut out at home (2006 vs. NE), but we were like "Well, at least it's the Patriots". Don't know what you say after that game though. I have a hard time remembering a performance that pathetic in front of the home fans, against a bad football team no less.

Thought that there was basically zero chance of McCarthy getting canned this offseason regardless of what happens, but man, they have another performance like that? You owe it to the fans and the organization to look for an improvement.

Yes, the now probably 29th-30th worst talented team in the NFL needs to "try harder." I'm all for firing McCarthy, but the talent is ****. I think McCarthy hasn't adapted to the league over the last 5 or so years and have been lukewarm on him over that timeframe, but I don't think Belichick could polish this turd of a roster.

I have no idea how this is the main takeaway you had from this post. Who the **** is saying that "effort" is the problem here?

[Kerb Hohl]

Embarrassing. I was at the last game that they were shut out at home (2006 vs. NE), but we were like "Well, at least it's the Patriots". Don't know what you say after that game though. I have a hard time remembering a performance that pathetic in front of the home fans, against a bad football team no less.

Thought that there was basically zero chance of McCarthy getting canned this offseason regardless of what happens, but man, they have another performance like that? You owe it to the fans and the organization to look for an improvement.

Yes, the now probably 29th-30th worst talented team in the NFL needs to "try harder." I'm all for firing McCarthy, but the talent is ****. I think McCarthy hasn't adapted to the league over the last 5 or so years and have been lukewarm on him over that timeframe, but I don't think Belichick could polish this turd of a roster.

I have no idea how this is the main takeaway you had from this post. Who the **** is saying that "effort" is the problem here?

I dunno. I guess that even though I've been on the bandwagon of canning McCarthy for a while now, I'm not even thinking about that right now. The guy that has assembled this pile of garbage needs to be under fire first. Sorry if you were the martyr for this cause, but if you told me they'd get shut out at home a few hours before the game I'd have not batted an eye.

[sidney lanier]

Yea, playing QB is very much a mental position where a lot of information needs to be processed quickly between surveying multiple receivers downfield and what the secondary is doing, at the same time 3-6 large pass rushers are charging at the quarterback, trying to blast him.

Agree, and that form of intelligence is very different from Wonderlich or Jeopardy! smarts (although Rodgers appears to possess both kinds). Think of QBs like Terry Bradshaw, who they said couldn't spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the A, but who had the ability to decode complex visual/spatial puzzles quickly. Same with Favre, whom no one would ever confuse with a Rhodes scholar.

A few years ago I posted a crackpot theory of my own that NFL QBs develop faster and are ready sooner lately because of exposure to football-based video games like Madden that help them develop spatial intelligence. Seems like something that improves with practice. Just watch a kid who has never done it before shag fly balls, and you can see the development of the complex mental process of estimating speed and trajectory that allows him to go from clueless and confused and running in circles to figuring out how to run to the right spot. I think QB intelligence uses the same part of the brain, but it's a lot more complex and takes much longer to develop. And as we see with Hundley, some never get very good at it.

[El Duderino]

Yea, playing QB is very much a mental position where a lot of information needs to be processed quickly between surveying multiple receivers downfield and what the secondary is doing, at the same time 3-6 large pass rushers are charging at the quarterback, trying to blast him.

Agree, and that form of intelligence is very different from Wonderlich or Jeopardy! smarts (although Rodgers appears to possess both kinds). Think of QBs like Terry Bradshaw, who they said couldn't spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the A, but who had the ability to decode complex visual/spatial puzzles quickly. Same with Favre, whom no one would ever confuse with a Rhodes scholar.

A few years ago I posted a crackpot theory of my own that NFL QBs develop faster and are ready sooner lately because of exposure to football-based video games like Madden that help them develop spatial intelligence. Seems like something that improves with practice. Just watch a kid who has never done it before shag fly balls, and you can see the development of the complex mental process of estimating speed and trajectory that allows him to go from clueless and confused and running in circles to figuring out how to run to the right spot. I think QB intelligence uses the same part of the brain, but it's a lot more complex and takes much longer to develop. And as we see with Hundley, some never get very good at it.

Are quarterbacks really developing that much faster today or are they just getting thrown in there sooner and some by simple odds manage to perform well?

Look around the NFL, there is still a dearth of quality starting quarterbacks and even more so if you remove older veterans like Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, and Smith.

QB is a position where a special/rare mix of physical gifts, instincts, maturity, work ethic, and leadership have to combine in a way that in any given NFL year going back decades, only about 10-12 guys are performing at a high level.

All it takes is a QB to be lacking in any of those traits and it can derail his chances to be really successful. On the instincts part where Hundley seems most lacking, i'd liken it somewhat to an NBA point guard. It's really hard to teach a guy to know how to see the floor, passing angles, and other aspects that great point guards possess. Take Jason Kidd, he was born with special instincts more than taught special, and playing quarterback in the NFL i think takes higher levels of instinctual play than NBA point guard play does given all that must be processed in a few seconds on every passing play.

[emunney]

Wrong thread.

[El Duderino]

Embarrassing. I was at the last game that they were shut out at home (2006 vs. NE), but we were like "Well, at least it's the Patriots". Don't know what you say after that game though. I have a hard time remembering a performance that pathetic in front of the home fans, against a bad football team no less.

Thought that there was basically zero chance of McCarthy getting canned this offseason regardless of what happens, but man, they have another performance like that? You owe it to the fans and the organization to look for an improvement.

I see what's happening as a blessing in disguise.

Rodgers has so much covered for a years long eroding level of talent on the team and exposing that McCarthy/his staff aren't as good as the national media credits the coaching to be.

It's gonna take Mark Murphy to watch closely what's happening and evaluate that neither of Thompson and McCarthy should be allowed to control the remaining years which Aaron Rodgers has left. Playing it safe and keeping both in the same positions very well could end up wasting the last 5-6 years left of not just Aaron Rodgers HOF career, but who knows when the next time will be that the Packers have another great QB again. Could be a long time.