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i really appreciate the way he keeps that bench warm for 32.3 minutes a game
What are your favorite things about Mason Plumlee?
What are your favorite things about Mason Plumlee?
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U hova wrote:i really appreciate the way he keeps that bench warm for 32.3 minutes a game
What are your favorite things about Mason Plumlee?
What a DICK comment !! Someone needs to shut this thread down !!
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U hova wrote:i really appreciate the way he keeps that bench warm for 32.3 minutes a game
What are your favorite things about Mason Plumlee?
I like that even he knows that he cannot shoot so he doesn't try to often.
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Plumlee has value and Malone is starting to learn how to use him.
Even if the Nuggets don't use him regular, which could happen, he's worth keeping for insurance. Jokic is the only other center the Nuggets have and small ball can only carry you so far. Sure, he's an overpaid insurance/part-time player, but that's on the front office. Just shows Plumlee is smarter than our front office - he got the contract (and it's not a contract that's going to kill the team in the long term).
Even if the Nuggets don't use him regular, which could happen, he's worth keeping for insurance. Jokic is the only other center the Nuggets have and small ball can only carry you so far. Sure, he's an overpaid insurance/part-time player, but that's on the front office. Just shows Plumlee is smarter than our front office - he got the contract (and it's not a contract that's going to kill the team in the long term).
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What really nags me about Plumlee is that he has bad hands. I think that is the main reason why Jokic/Plumlee linups dont work. Plumlee cant catch and finish plays nearly as good as Faried can. He seem well below average at finishing passes around the rim... Add to that that he cant shoot, is a average to below average defender, cant create his own shot or be a lob threat and he is really overpaid. I dont mind having him as a C backup that gets 10ish minutes at C and maybe some minutes at PF but for something like 6 million a year max.
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The thing for me is that we badly need a 3 and that was likely through the offseason, and signing Plumlee when Faried offers pretty much most of what Plumlee can do (and arguably more) capped us so we cannot do that.
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Plumlee played well last night, he gives solid effort and doesn't try to do too much a la Barton...Plum Dog isn't worth his contract but it's not his fault our front office overpaid him. His skillset is limited but that's why he's a bench player.
As for badly needing a 3 I think the "plan" was for Wilson to play like he did last year and Juancho back him up...neither of which has happened yet.
As for badly needing a 3 I think the "plan" was for Wilson to play like he did last year and Juancho back him up...neither of which has happened yet.
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I actually like plumlees game this year.
its that contract that is awful.
its that contract that is awful.
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Now that I've seen more of Millsap 's game, I'm second guessing our need for a backup center like Plumlee. We needed a second big that could facilitate to keep the offense consistent for the second unit. That was going to be Plumlee, but Millsap fills that role. With Malone's goal to always have one of Jokic or Millsap on the floor, Plumlee's role on this team is reduce and his skills aren't being fully utilized. I wonder if Lyles could handle things as a stretch 5 alongside Millsap? His outside shot would really help with spacing.
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MidMountain wrote:Now that I've seen more of Millsap 's game, I'm second guessing our need for a backup center like Plumlee. We needed a second big that could facilitate to keep the offense consistent for the second unit. That was going to be Plumlee, but Millsap fills that role. With Malone's goal to always have one of Jokic or Millsap on the floor, Plumlee's role on this team is reduce and his skills aren't being fully utilized. I wonder if Lyles could handle things as a stretch 5 alongside Millsap? His outside shot would really help with spacing.
I hear ya. I thought we needed a third center, just in case of emergency. I sorta liked Plumlee as a backup, but not at the price. Anyway, he's OK. The problem with using one of our PFs at center is they all tend to be a little short or a little light. There are a lot of backup centers that can just push them around. Then again, the word around the league is anyone can push around the Nuggets, so perhaps it doesn't matter.
The rumor seems to be that the Nuggets are considering Lyles a stetch-4 or even a SF. I don't know. I'd like to see more of him. Short minutes at center against certain teams, just might work.
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The Rebel wrote:U hova wrote:i really appreciate the way he keeps that bench warm for 32.3 minutes a game
What are your favorite things about Mason Plumlee?
I like that even he knows that he cannot shoot so he doesn't try to often.
I hate it when teams read the scouting report and sag his man off into the paint. Like what happened in the Portland.
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U hova wrote:The Rebel wrote:U hova wrote:i really appreciate the way he keeps that bench warm for 32.3 minutes a game
What are your favorite things about Mason Plumlee?
I like that even he knows that he cannot shoot so he doesn't try to often.
I hate it when teams read the scouting report and sag his man off into the paint. Like what happened in the Portland.
The amount of disrespect they showed him was hilarious. With the amount of space they game him i was wondering why didnt he put the ball down and go for a dunk...If he cant do it then he is useless.
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Alatan wrote:U hova wrote:The Rebel wrote:
I like that even he knows that he cannot shoot so he doesn't try to often.
I hate it when teams read the scouting report and sag his man off into the paint. Like what happened in the Portland.
The amount of disrespect they showed him was hilarious. With the amount of space they game him i was wondering why didnt he put the ball down and go for a dunk...If he cant do it then he is useless.
They did the same and even worse to Sampson last year but Malone liked playing Sampson even though he had other options. They do the same with Faried, to a slightly lesser extent. This happens to players everywhere. Back in the good old days, it wasn't a big deal because the lane area was usually packed and non-shooters were OK if they played through the physical defense. Today athletic ability combined with shooting is the danger and any player that can back off his man, can help clog the lane and prevent driving.
Malone specifically wanted shooting during the 2016 off-season for those very reasons. Plumlee didn't fit that but as a bench player, he's actually not too bad IMO. Benches typically aren't as good at offense or defense.
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NuggetsWY wrote:Alatan wrote:U hova wrote:I hate it when teams read the scouting report and sag his man off into the paint. Like what happened in the Portland.
The amount of disrespect they showed him was hilarious. With the amount of space they game him i was wondering why didnt he put the ball down and go for a dunk...If he cant do it then he is useless.
They did the same and even worse to Sampson last year but Malone liked playing Sampson even though he had other options. They do the same with Faried, to a slightly lesser extent. This happens to players everywhere. Back in the good old days, it wasn't a big deal because the lane area was usually packed and non-shooters were OK if they played through the physical defense. Today athletic ability combined with shooting is the danger and any player that can back off his man, can help clog the lane and prevent driving.
Malone specifically wanted shooting during the 2016 off-season for those very reasons. Plumlee didn't fit that but as a bench player, he's actually not too bad IMO. Benches typically aren't as good at offense or defense.
I dont know. When i see him he just frustrates me. Doesnt have one skill above average. His not a good finisher thanks to his rubber hands, he cant create for himself and cant spread the floor. On defense he is much slower and stiffer than one would think when looking on his build. If he was a 6 million 10-15 ish minutes bench guy i would mind that much but considering he is payed like a starter it irks me that much more. I guess im used to see Faried nail down passes near the rim and Plumlee just isn't Faried...
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Alatan wrote:NuggetsWY wrote:Alatan wrote:
The amount of disrespect they showed him was hilarious. With the amount of space they game him i was wondering why didnt he put the ball down and go for a dunk...If he cant do it then he is useless.
They did the same and even worse to Sampson last year but Malone liked playing Sampson even though he had other options. They do the same with Faried, to a slightly lesser extent. This happens to players everywhere. Back in the good old days, it wasn't a big deal because the lane area was usually packed and non-shooters were OK if they played through the physical defense. Today athletic ability combined with shooting is the danger and any player that can back off his man, can help clog the lane and prevent driving.
Malone specifically wanted shooting during the 2016 off-season for those very reasons. Plumlee didn't fit that but as a bench player, he's actually not too bad IMO. Benches typically aren't as good at offense or defense.
I dont know. When i see him he just frustrates me. Doesnt have one skill above average. His not a good finisher thanks to his rubber hands, he cant create for himself and cant spread the floor. On defense he is much slower and stiffer than one would think when looking on his build. If he was a 6 million 10-15 ish minutes bench guy i would mind that much but considering he is payed like a starter it irks me that much more. I guess im used to see Faried nail down passes near the rim and Plumlee just isn't Faried...
You are correct, I'm guessing that is why he's a backup. Don't hate him because he's smarter than the Nuggets' front office.
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But why is he the backup over Faried? This is the most frustrating thing to me about his situation. Last year Malone was so enamored with Faried at Center to the point that he killed Nurkic's love of basketball and forced the team to trade him, but this year we see him getting benched for quite frankly a worse player.
I don't even care what Plumlee makes at this point, I just don't want to see him play when the Nuggets have a guy that can catch lobs from Jokic and Mudiay, can crash the boards and put off-ball pressure on defenses, doesn't lose his balance closing out on match-ups, hustles back on defense and can stop transition points with chasedown blocks, etc...
You can play Faried with Jokic, Faried with Millsap and have a decent line-up, but when Plumlee is put next to them it feels like the Nuggets need to "survive" those minutes. And to his credit sometimes those flat hookshots and wild drives to the basket actually turn into points, but i dunno. Watching Faried catch a lob from Mudiay against the Warriors that Plumlee missed from the exact same angle the night before really summed up how I feel about Plumlee's prominence in the rotation and Faried fading out of it.
I don't even care what Plumlee makes at this point, I just don't want to see him play when the Nuggets have a guy that can catch lobs from Jokic and Mudiay, can crash the boards and put off-ball pressure on defenses, doesn't lose his balance closing out on match-ups, hustles back on defense and can stop transition points with chasedown blocks, etc...
You can play Faried with Jokic, Faried with Millsap and have a decent line-up, but when Plumlee is put next to them it feels like the Nuggets need to "survive" those minutes. And to his credit sometimes those flat hookshots and wild drives to the basket actually turn into points, but i dunno. Watching Faried catch a lob from Mudiay against the Warriors that Plumlee missed from the exact same angle the night before really summed up how I feel about Plumlee's prominence in the rotation and Faried fading out of it.
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U hova wrote:But why is he the backup over Faried? This is the most frustrating thing to me about his situation. Last year Malone was so enamored with Faried at Center to the point that he killed Nurkic's love of basketball and forced the team to trade him, but this year we see him getting benched for quite frankly a worse player.
I don't even care what Plumlee makes at this point, I just don't want to see him play when the Nuggets have a guy that can catch lobs from Jokic and Mudiay, can crash the boards and put off-ball pressure on defenses, doesn't lose his balance closing out on match-ups, hustles back on defense and can stop transition points with chasedown blocks, etc...
You can play Faried with Jokic, Faried with Millsap and have a decent line-up, but when Plumlee is put next to them it feels like the Nuggets need to "survive" those minutes. And to his credit sometimes those flat hookshots and wild drives to the basket actually turn into points, but i dunno. Watching Faried catch a lob from Mudiay against the Warriors that Plumlee missed from the exact same angle the night before really summed up how I feel about Plumlee's prominence in the rotation and Faried fading out of it.
I do not understand why Malone likes Plumlee with Jokic but not Nurkic with Jokic. Plumlee is a little more mobile but a worse shooter. It sure seems like Nurkic is a better fit than Plumlee but Malone couldn't make it work and a few here have shown stats that say Plumlee isn't a good fit at PF - which the eye-test seems to agree with IMO. Backup center, OK - but not PF please.
On the other hand, stats seem to show Faried works well next to Jokic - but not at center, he's just too short unless the other team goes small, then he's a monster.
I will definitely agree that Faried simply seems a perfect fit for the Nuggets and as much as he hates the bench, if we had Mudiay, Barton, Chandler, Faried, plus almost anyone, our bench would be pretty good for 20 mpg or thereabouts.
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There is nothing particularly wrong about Plumlee, except his albatross contract, which maybe will be the major issue when we will try to fix SF problem next summer, or in 2019 summer.
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Wonder if the Jokic ejection will limit the Jokic-Plumlee pairing now that we're down Millsap as well ?
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skywalker33 wrote:Wonder if the Jokic ejection will limit the Jokic-Plumlee pairing now that we're down Millsap as well ?
In Sacramento, Unseld had them play around 10 minutes together.