2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

[Ericb5]

lol yeah I'm sure having a spinal cord injury could "help" him. Definitely no concerns at all with those kinds of injuries. Brilliant!

Exactly, I have to wonder if anyone who is considering him knows what this really means, I injured my back while playing basketball.

They are going to surgery with him, surgery was next on my list but injections worked for me cause they said I was young and still had alot of tissue back there. Apparently he doesn't. Back surgery on a 19 year old is alot more serious than being considered here and he will have to show he has recovered from this injury.

Back injures can linger for the rest of your life, and it won't be taken lightly by any NBA team.

Was it even known that he had back problems, or does this come completely out of left field?

Back surgery is always the last resort.


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[ivysixer2000]

lol yeah I'm sure having a spinal cord injury could "help" him. Definitely no concerns at all with those kinds of injuries. Brilliant!

Exactly, I have to wonder if anyone who is considering him knows what this really means, I injured my back while playing basketball.

They are going to surgery with him, surgery was next on my list but injections worked for me cause they said I was young and still had alot of tissue back there. Apparently he doesn't. Back surgery on a 19 year old is alot more serious than being considered here and he will have to show he has recovered from this injury.

Back injures can linger for the rest of your life, and it won't be taken lightly by any NBA team.

Was it even known that he had back problems, or does this come completely out of left field?

Back surgery is always the last resort.


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I don't know the answer to that, and I was watching that game to watch him. I know it came out of left field for me but everyone is different.

And very true, back surgery is always the last resort cause so many things can go wrong with it. I feel bad for the kid and hope he makes a full recovery cause you can't do anything without your back.

I do wonder if he had numbness down his left leg, cause thats to relieve the pain in that nerve if he did.

[Negrodamus]

Penn St has a very intriguing and young team this year. They are struggling with TAMU’s length right now, but they will make noise in the big 10.

Any potential draftees from that game or too early to tell? I haven't been able to watch much college bball this year and that looks unlikely to change for me for at least 6 weeks.

Carr and Stevens are the obvious candidates based on their ppg, but I like what I’ve seen, albeit small sample size, from Josh Reaves from an effort/defensive standpoint.

[ivysixer2000]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/eye-on-the-tigers/back-surgery-likely-will-sideline-mizzou-s-porter-jr-for/article_73375579-42ed-59f4-9856-8fe60ee94a69.html

Microdiscectomy is the typical procedure for a herniated disc and relieves pressure on a spinal nerve root. Leg pain is a common symptom associated with conditions that would lead to this type of procedure, according to the Mayfield Clinic, an Ohio-based brain and spinal center.

Until Tuesday, Porter’s status had only been described as a tweaked hip and leg injury. Minutes before the Iowa State game Porter told Martin his leg was bothering him. Porter sat on the bench the rest of the game with an icepack on his left hip and upper leg.

Yeah that's what I figured, 'leg pain', definitely lower back. Its not leg pain per say, your leg goes numb and tingles, and if you wait too long your foot will go numb. You can't sleep, cough, or sneeze without feeling it.

Breaking a bone is a whole lot different than nerve pain.

[cksdayoff]

i have sciatica. i know all about leg pain. sleeping is a pain in the ass, the slightest movements and you feel it. that's when you realize how many muscle groups you use just to position yourself on your bed. waking up in the morning to try and walk is the worst too.

[Kolkmania]

I'm not a doctor and have no knowledge about the origin of Porter's injury, so I don't know what the chances are that he'll return healthy.

That said, he's absolutely a kid that I'm willing to bet on. I believe in his shooting mechanics, from standstill AND off the dribble, at 6'10'' that's unprecedented. At that size he'll be deadly off screens because big have troubles chasing him and he can shoot over smaller guys.

His vision/decision making and ball handling aren't on an acceptable level yet, but those things can improve to the point that he's capable of attacking off the catch and running some secondary or tertiary actions. I'm not sure of his lateral quickness, but in straight lines he's definitely quicker than the average 6'10'' prospect.

If we can get snatch him at 7 or so then I'm all in.

[ivysixer2000]

I'm not a doctor and have no knowledge about the origin of Porter's injury, so I don't know what the chances are that he'll return healthy.

That said, he's absolutely a kid that I'm willing to bet on. I believe in his shooting mechanics, from standstill AND off the dribble, at 6'10'' that's unprecedented. At that size he'll be deadly off screens because big have troubles chasing him and he can shoot over smaller guys.

His vision/decision making and ball handling aren't on an acceptable level yet, but those things can improve to the point that he's capable of attacking off the catch and running some secondary or tertiary actions. I'm not sure of his lateral quickness, but in straight lines he's definitely quicker than the average 6'10'' prospect.

If we can get snatch him at 7 or so then I'm all in.

I understand that you like him as a prospect pre-injury as I do since I tuned in just to see him, all depends on how he checks out after the injury. Different nerve damage, but Jaylon Smith in the NFL was a top 5 pick til nerve damage, he might never be the same.

As said above, its one injury that just doesn't go away. If I sleep wrong, I feel it even to this day (just tried to go up and block a shot lol). Its more common in golf, ended Greg Norman's career, most likely Tiger. My dad and uncle both have had back surgeries, neither are the same since.

This one does seem minor though, and the success rate is high. Might give him problems in the future cause you are only born with a certain amount of disk tissue, but he's young enough to where he should be fine as long as he takes really good care of it.

[Eyeamok]

If a team had multiple picks in the first round, and could possibly **** him, his first year, he might be worth the gamble.....oh wait!


And on a serious note hope he makes a full recovery.

[smittybanton]

If a team had multiple picks in the first round, and could possibly **** him, his first year, he might be worth the gamble.....oh wait!


And on a serious note hope he makes a full recovery.

Exactly this!

[Eyeamok]

If a team had multiple picks in the first round, and could possibly **** him, his first year, he might be worth the gamble.....oh wait!


And on a serious note hope he makes a full recovery.

why is red-shirt a banned word?

[Negrodamus]

If a team had multiple picks in the first round, and could possibly **** him, his first year, he might be worth the gamble.....oh wait!


And on a serious note hope he makes a full recovery.

why is red-shirt a banned word?

I wasn’t sure what you wanted a team to do to him.

[Negrodamus]

Standing by it, but Gilgeous-Alexander is my favorite prospect after Knox on the Wildcats this year. If he generates more points (assists or points) he could over take Knox's potential.

[Kolkmania]

Career high in FGA for my man Mikal Bridges, curious to see if I can find a replay somewhere, want to see what kind of FGA. According to ESPN 4 of his buckets around the rim were unassisted.
Oh and once again ridiculous numbers on the defensive end, 3 blocks and 5 steals. Now up to 8 blocks and 14 steals in 4 games. Just give this guy to the Sixers already.

NC State beats Arizona, I get the intrigue of Ayton and Bagley from a physical standpoint and their production in points and rebounds, but I don't feel comfortable with those guys anchoring my defense.
Perhaps most telling stat for Ayton, in 34 minutes he had 0 blocks AND 0 fouls in a loss where the team gave up 90 points. How is that even possible if you have the role of a rim protector? I'm not even sure if it's a motor thing, kid just doesn't have a high defensive BBIQ.

[Kolkmania]

Standing by it, but Gilgeous-Alexander is my favorite prospect after Knox on the Wildcats this year. If he generates more points (assists or points) he could over take Knox's potential.

Agree that he's probably their best all around player at the moment, but to me that says more about the average skill level of that roster. Physically elite roster, but extremely raw on both ends of the floor. I'm not sure if Gilgeous-Alexander is a OAD, I probably wouldn't take him in the first round.

I do like Kevin Knox. He's forced into a role he's not capable of fulfilling, but his combination of frame, age and shooting mechanics is very intriguing to me.

[smittybanton]

Ayton's numbers and physique and quick feet are impressive. At the same time, I feel like I am watching a taller Noah Vonleh. Very fundamental, decent shooting touch, with only a little creativity. Asset on the defensive end. Paint by numbers guy on offense.

[No-Man]

Standing by it, but Gilgeous-Alexander is my favorite prospect after Knox on the Wildcats this year. If he generates more points (assists or points) he could over take Knox's potential.

He is just not good enough as a PG or a shooter, I am not sure what he does for you on offense honestly

[Ericb5]

If a team had multiple picks in the first round, and could possibly **** him, his first year, he might be worth the gamble.....oh wait!


And on a serious note hope he makes a full recovery.

why is red-shirt a banned word?

Reread what you wrote and notice the typo. Lol


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[Kobblehead]

Ayton is way better offensively than advertised. He's been an utter disappointment as a rim protector, though. That changes a lot of my opinion on him.

[No-Man]

Ayton is way better offensively than advertised. He's been an utter disappointment as a rim protector, though. That changes a lot of my opinion on him.

hasn't shown any ball skills whatsoever, so not sure what we are talking about here

[Kobblehead]

Sean Miller, blink once if you think Ayton has the defensive awareness to anchor a defense at the next level.