Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[NTB]

I am not trading for the rest of the season unless it's to get expiring contracts or to get a star player. Lyles is trash, Mudiay is trash, Faried is trash, Beverly is trash. Stop trying to add trash to our dumpster fire!

Beverley is not trash.

[King4Day]

It really sucks Porter went down for the season. I wonder if he will still enter the draft?

Back surgery is no joke. Even if he recovers, disc issues and surgery already are scary for his age.

Does this knock him down to late lottery?

It does really suck for him, though it could be a blessing for Phoenix if it stays in the mid lottery area. This is basically the only way he might fall out of the top 5.

Back injuries are scary. I'm not familiar with the procedure he had, but they seem like the kind of thing that haunt someone for life. Let's hope it's not that serious and he is able to recover fully.

On NBA radio they noted that Dudley and Howard both had the same surgeries amongst a few others who all rebounded well.
It's still dangerous but not something that can't be recovered from.

I think he and his people will research where he's slated to go. if it's out of the top 4 or 5, he'll prob go back to college to build back up his value.

[jeff2020]

I just doubt the metrics. It has some notoriously bad defenders listed above the line.

Basketball is an eye test sport not a computer crunching numbers. You can watch a player play defense and know if he is a good on ball defender but doesn't have a clue off the ball. Idk what all goes into this metric junk but if you can't watch a player and know whether he is a good defender or a good player than you probably don't need to be evaluating players

[jeff2020]

I am not trading for the rest of the season unless it's to get expiring contracts or to get a star player. Lyles is trash, Mudiay is trash, Faried is trash, Beverly is trash. Stop trying to add trash to our dumpster fire!

Beverley is not trash.

The clippers are showing what a Blake griffin led team is like. He is not a leader. Does not have the attitude to be a franchise player whatsoever

[BobbieL]

I am not trading for the rest of the season unless it's to get expiring contracts or to get a star player. Lyles is trash, Mudiay is trash, Faried is trash, Beverly is trash. Stop trying to add trash to our dumpster fire!

Beverley is not trash.

Beverly is not trash.

I would have been fine with Beverly, Wes Johnson and Dekker for Bledsoe. Granted, that's a lot of players to move . I just am not sure what the Clippers would want for Beverly now.

Suns do need a PG and I didn't hate the idea of Beverly for Bledsoe. Now, I just am not sure there is a fit there of talent to make a trade between the teams.

Edit: Beverly hurt, out for some time

Is there a trade out there for the Suns to make that could them to push for the play-offs? The West is not nearly as good as thought. I still expect a team like OKC to get it together and be top 4. But Denver lost Millsap, Utah lost Gobert, Clippers are a mess.

[JJ13]

Dennis Schroder makes a lot of sense for a PG trade target. Young, decent contract, and potentially a rift with him and Hawks management. If Hawks are looking to blow it up, a Monroe (expiring) + pick for Schroder or Monroe+Chriss (no pick) for Schroder+Belinelli (Expiring) could work.

[jeff2020]

Dennis Schroder makes a lot of sense for a PG trade target. Young, decent contract, and potentially a rift with him and Hawks management. If Hawks are looking to blow it up, a Monroe (expiring) + pick for Schroder or Monroe+Chriss (no pick) for Schroder+Belinelli (Expiring) could work.

Whatever gets Chriss off this team I am all for. He is never going to amount to anything in this league. Sheer athleticsm with literally no skill set to speak of. I want bender on the court starting and playing 25-30 minutes a game

[bwgood77]

I am not trading for the rest of the season unless it's to get expiring contracts or to get a star player. Lyles is trash, Mudiay is trash, Faried is trash, Beverly is trash. Stop trying to add trash to our dumpster fire!

Beverley is not trash.

Beverly is not trash.

I would have been fine with Beverly, Wes Johnson and Dekker for Bledsoe. Granted, that's a lot of players to move . I just am not sure what the Clippers would want for Beverly now.

Suns do need a PG and I didn't hate the idea of Beverly for Bledsoe. Now, I just am not sure there is a fit there of talent to make a trade between the teams.

Edit: Beverly hurt, out for some time

Is there a trade out there for the Suns to make that could them to push for the play-offs? The West is not nearly as good as thought. I still expect a team like OKC to get it together and be top 4. But Denver lost Millsap, Utah lost Gobert, Clippers are a mess.

No, Phoenix can't make playoffs and really need to draft some more talent this year. We've played the 4th easiest schedule so far. The Nuggets will be fine. As good as Millsap is, the Nuggets struggled a bit to integrate him with Jokic and were still working through it. Unless Murray keeps have putrid games, they should be ok. He has had a couple of decent ones as of late. PG is their biggest weakness.

And yeah, Beverley is far from trash but the Clips are not going to trade him. It was evident how bad their team was when he was out....part of that is because Gallinari was out and when you lose your two best 3 pt shooters and one of your two best defenders in a tough conference you're going to have trouble.

[bwgood77]

More about Beverley

LA Clippers starting point guard Patrick Beverley underwent a surgical procedure on his right knee Wednesday, league sources tell ESPN.

Although there is no immediate timetable for his return, Beverley is expected to miss a significant amount of time, league sources said.

Beverley had missed five straight games with a sore right knee before returning to play 22 minutes in the Clippers' 107-85 loss to the New York Knicks on Monday.

The Clippers, at 5-11 this season, have lost nine straight games and play the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday night.

Beverley has averaged 12.9 points, three assists and three rebounds for the Clippers this season, his first with the club after being acquired last summer in the multiplayer trade that sent star point guard Chris Paul to the Houston Rockets.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21516202/patrick-beverley-la-clippers-knee-surgery

[King4Day]

More about Beverley

LA Clippers starting point guard Patrick Beverley underwent a surgical procedure on his right knee Wednesday, league sources tell ESPN.

Although there is no immediate timetable for his return, Beverley is expected to miss a significant amount of time, league sources said.

Beverley had missed five straight games with a sore right knee before returning to play 22 minutes in the Clippers' 107-85 loss to the New York Knicks on Monday.

The Clippers, at 5-11 this season, have lost nine straight games and play the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday night.

Beverley has averaged 12.9 points, three assists and three rebounds for the Clippers this season, his first with the club after being acquired last summer in the multiplayer trade that sent star point guard Chris Paul to the Houston Rockets.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21516202/patrick-beverley-la-clippers-knee-surgery

Too bad we didn't hold out until now. I would have made a play for him with Bledsoe. We don't have anything we could offer them as far as PG's go unless we get a 3rd team involved.

[RaisingArizona]

Dennis Schroder makes a lot of sense for a PG trade target. Young, decent contract, and potentially a rift with him and Hawks management. If Hawks are looking to blow it up, a Monroe (expiring) + pick for Schroder or Monroe+Chriss (no pick) for Schroder+Belinelli (Expiring) could work.

Whatever gets Chriss off this team I am all for. He is never going to amount to anything in this league. Sheer athleticsm with literally no skill set to speak of. I want bender on the court starting and playing 25-30 minutes a game

Both haven't done **** in this league yet you only count one of them out? Idk man, I say give it more than one year in a system that has went through a bunch of different coaches and teammates.

[BobbieL]

Dennis Schroder makes a lot of sense for a PG trade target. Young, decent contract, and potentially a rift with him and Hawks management. If Hawks are looking to blow it up, a Monroe (expiring) + pick for Schroder or Monroe+Chriss (no pick) for Schroder+Belinelli (Expiring) could work.

Whatever gets Chriss off this team I am all for. He is never going to amount to anything in this league. Sheer athleticsm with literally no skill set to speak of. I want bender on the court starting and playing 25-30 minutes a game

Both haven't done **** in this league yet you only count one of them out? Idk man, I say give it more than one year in a system that has went through a bunch of different coaches and teammates.

From what I have watched this year, I like Bender more. But you make a great point - last years team didn't get the coaching needed at the NBA level. You hear quotes from Triano about what they practiced that day or they are still in training camp mode and really, Watson was not ready to an NBA head coach. The things Watson talked about were important and are important but the X's and O's, teaching the fundamentals is also part of his job - so maybe Chriss does deserve a year But if the right deal comes along.... am okay with him being moved

[bwgood77]

Dennis Schroder makes a lot of sense for a PG trade target. Young, decent contract, and potentially a rift with him and Hawks management. If Hawks are looking to blow it up, a Monroe (expiring) + pick for Schroder or Monroe+Chriss (no pick) for Schroder+Belinelli (Expiring) could work.

Whatever gets Chriss off this team I am all for. He is never going to amount to anything in this league. Sheer athleticsm with literally no skill set to speak of. I want bender on the court starting and playing 25-30 minutes a game

Both haven't done **** in this league yet you only count one of them out? Idk man, I say give it more than one year in a system that has went through a bunch of different coaches and teammates.

Chriss is playing much better than he gets credit for here. Sure him jumping at shooters and fouling them and being lost on defense at times is frustrating, but he's still young and I expect him to improve. I know some of you don't like stats and just like your eye test but he is only behind Chandler and Dudley (and Monroe, but that includes time with MIL) in DRPM.

[gaspar]

Booker/Warren ON COURT and Chriss ON COURT - 108.3 OffRtg, 105.5 DefRtg, +2.9 NetRtg in 265 minutes
Booker/Warren ON COURT and Chriss OFF COURT - 99.6 OffRtg, 108.8 DefRtg, -9.2 NetRtg in 190 minutes

Booker/Warren ON COURT and Bender ON COURT - 107.2 OffRtg, 109.6 DefRtg, -2.4 NetRtg in 118 minutes
Booker/Warren ON COURT and Bender OFF COURT - 103.7 OffRtg, 106.0 DefRtg, -2.3 NetRtg in 337 minutes

Take it as you will.

[bwgood77]

That's tough, because part of the difference in those on/off court probably has to do with Chandler being in there with Chriss instead of Len with Bender which likely makes a significant difference.

I think ideally Booker/Jackson/Chriss play together and Warren/Bender for now. I would like to see Monroe with that first group and Chandler with the second though. I think that would maximize both lineups. Though maybe Chandler makes more sense with the first group and Monroe's offense would help the second along with Warren.

[lilfishi22]

Dennis Schroder makes a lot of sense for a PG trade target. Young, decent contract, and potentially a rift with him and Hawks management. If Hawks are looking to blow it up, a Monroe (expiring) + pick for Schroder or Monroe+Chriss (no pick) for Schroder+Belinelli (Expiring) could work.

Whatever gets Chriss off this team I am all for. He is never going to amount to anything in this league. Sheer athleticsm with literally no skill set to speak of. I want bender on the court starting and playing 25-30 minutes a game

Both haven't done **** in this league yet you only count one of them out? Idk man, I say give it more than one year in a system that has went through a bunch of different coaches and teammates.

I really want to write Chriss off because I wasn't a huge fan of his even before he was drafted. But this is his first year under a real coach and I should give him an opportunity to prove himself.

Personally, I like what I've seen from Bender more than Chriss. Chriss may have had more games with better stat lines but impact-wise, I think Bender has shown more in terms of his defense, passing and most importantly, basketball IQ.

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[carey]

That's a real bummer for Beverley. He'll be 31 by the time he's fully recovered from that.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Blake Griffin could end up an isolated star player very soon and they've all ended being traded.

4.5 seasons left on his contract would make him different to the recent ones.

[Qwigglez]

Like I said, Beverly is trash.
Read something on FB that said Clippers have put DJ on the trade block and have talked to the Phoenix Suns.