NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 4

[nate33]

Horford would have been a great fit here.

Amazing how much of EGs incompetence could have been covered up with a Horford signing.

Or alternately if EG had set the Wizards up better, they likely would have been a more appealing destination for Horford when Durant picked GS.

I wonder if Horford would have come here if it wasn't so obvious that he was our second choice. If EG made a max offer pitch to Horford at 12:01AM after the moratorium ended, would that have been a factor? Basically, was EG's biggest mistake his inability to recognize that we had no chance of landing Durant?

[Kanyewest]

Horford would have been a great fit here.

Amazing how much of EGs incompetence could have been covered up with a Horford signing.

Or alternately if EG had set the Wizards up better, they likely would have been a more appealing destination for Horford when Durant picked GS.

I wonder if Horford would have come here if it wasn't so obvious that he was our second choice. If EG made a max offer pitch to Horford at 12:01AM after the moratorium ended, would that have been a factor? Basically, was EG's biggest mistake his inability to recognize that we had no chance of landing Durant?

If I recall correctly Horford signed with the Celtics before Durant had made his final decision. The intrigue of Horford signing with Boston was that they had the chance to also sign Kevin Durant. Durant ended up making his decision a few days later. And also, I don't think the Wizards thought they had a chance with Kevin Durant as soon as they couldn't get a meeting.

[verbal8]

Horford would have been a great fit here.

Amazing how much of EGs incompetence could have been covered up with a Horford signing.

Or alternately if EG had set the Wizards up better, they likely would have been a more appealing destination for Horford when Durant picked GS.

I wonder if Horford would have come here if it wasn't so obvious that he was our second choice. If EG made a max offer pitch to Horford at 12:01AM after the moratorium ended, would that have been a factor? Basically, was EG's biggest mistake his inability to recognize that we had no chance of landing Durant?

He probably would have joined the Wizards if it wasn't so obvious that EG doesn't know what he is doing.

[FAH1223]

Mavs are about to beat the Celtics??!!

Carlisle is amazing

[FAH1223]

NVM

Mavs lose. Celtics win again... this time in OT

[Ruzious]

Clips are 5-11. Who knew that Patrick Beverly and the coach's son aren't as good as Chris Paul and Redick? Doc Rivers just might not be a great coach. (Sorry, I'm conserving my green ink - you'll just have to follow along.) Why don't they play Willie Reed more - other than his fouling issue (6.7 per 40 minutes)? Other per 40 stats for him - 23.4 points and 12.6 rebounds! And he's shooting 70.2%. Most importantly, he's a PIF guy.

[closg00]

NVM

Mavs lose. Celtics win again... this time in OT

Saw the highlights, this team has found a way to come back and win every game, Mavs had a chance to win it before OT. Damn.


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[Kanyewest]

Clips are 5-11. Who knew that Patrick Beverly and the coach's son aren't as good as Chris Paul and Redick? Doc Rivers just might not be a great coach. (Sorry, I'm conserving my green ink - you'll just have to follow along.) Why don't they play Willie Reed more - other than his fouling issue (6.7 per 40 minutes)? Other per 40 stats for him - 23.4 points and 12.6 rebounds! And he's shooting 70.2%. Most importantly, he's a PIF guy.

Charles Barkley when the Clippers were 5-2 https://streamable.com/qkbrb

[Kanyewest]

Bojan has had a good start to the season. He right now has a 66 TS%.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Clips are 5-11. Who knew that Patrick Beverly and the coach's son aren't as good as Chris Paul and Redick? Doc Rivers just might not be a great coach. (Sorry, I'm conserving my green ink - you'll just have to follow along.) Why don't they play Willie Reed more - other than his fouling issue (6.7 per 40 minutes)? Other per 40 stats for him - 23.4 points and 12.6 rebounds! And he's shooting 70.2%. Most importantly, he's a PIF guy.

Charles Barkley when the Clippers were 5-2 https://streamable.com/qkbrb

I am getting tired of Barkley and Shaq. I will tune into TNT when Doc Rivers gets fired, which I think is going to happen sooner than later.

I believe Lawrence Frank is the assistant coach. I predict he will be the head coach before the season is over.

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[LyricalRico]

Clips are 5-11. Who knew that Patrick Beverly and the coach's son aren't as good as Chris Paul and Redick? Doc Rivers just might not be a great coach. (Sorry, I'm conserving my green ink - you'll just have to follow along.) Why don't they play Willie Reed more - other than his fouling issue (6.7 per 40 minutes)? Other per 40 stats for him - 23.4 points and 12.6 rebounds! And he's shooting 70.2%. Most importantly, he's a PIF guy.

Charles Barkley when the Clippers were 5-2 https://streamable.com/qkbrb

Didn't their recent losing streak coincide with the injury to Milos Teodosic (sp?), who was looking like a promising replacement for Chris Paul?

[trast66]

Looked to me like Westbrook flopped and he should get a fine. I would coach a big boy/girl to clear out like Cousins did, he just loked a little hostile and has the bad rep. But I hate the flopping.

[FAH1223]

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[Ruzious]

Horford would have been a great fit here.

Amazing how much of EGs incompetence could have been covered up with a Horford signing.

Or alternately if EG had set the Wizards up better, they likely would have been a more appealing destination for Horford when Durant picked GS.

I wonder if Horford would have come here if it wasn't so obvious that he was our second choice. If EG made a max offer pitch to Horford at 12:01AM after the moratorium ended, would that have been a factor? Basically, was EG's biggest mistake his inability to recognize that we had no chance of landing Durant?

Boy, that's a great point that hasn't really been discussed - as far as I know. EG might as well have been a fanboy thinking the Wiz had a real chance at Durant. Horford should have been treated as Plan A; rather than basically an afterthought - and that could very well have been the reason he didn't come here. They should have rolled out the royal carpet on day 1 for Horford.

[Kanyewest]

Amazing how much of EGs incompetence could have been covered up with a Horford signing.

Or alternately if EG had set the Wizards up better, they likely would have been a more appealing destination for Horford when Durant picked GS.

I wonder if Horford would have come here if it wasn't so obvious that he was our second choice. If EG made a max offer pitch to Horford at 12:01AM after the moratorium ended, would that have been a factor? Basically, was EG's biggest mistake his inability to recognize that we had no chance of landing Durant?

Boy, that's a great point that hasn't really been discussed - as far as I know. EG might as well have been a fanboy thinking the Wiz had a real chance at Durant. Horford should have been treated as Plan A; rather than basically an afterthought - and that could very well have been the reason he didn't come here. They should have rolled out the royal carpet on day 1 for Horford.

I don't think there was much EG could have done much more in the offseason. Horford honestly thought that Boston had a brighter future than Washington because they had made the playoffs the previous season, had a great head coach, had an opportunity to sign another all star caliber player, and had multiple picks that they could develop or trade. Remember this was when Beal was injury prone and Wall was considered our only all star caliber player.

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[Kanyewest]

Clips are 5-11. Who knew that Patrick Beverly and the coach's son aren't as good as Chris Paul and Redick? Doc Rivers just might not be a great coach. (Sorry, I'm conserving my green ink - you'll just have to follow along.) Why don't they play Willie Reed more - other than his fouling issue (6.7 per 40 minutes)? Other per 40 stats for him - 23.4 points and 12.6 rebounds! And he's shooting 70.2%. Most importantly, he's a PIF guy.

Charles Barkley when the Clippers were 5-2 https://streamable.com/qkbrb

Didn't their recent losing streak coincide with the injury to Milos Teodosic (sp?), who was looking like a promising replacement for Chris Paul?

Yeah, that could be the cause. Also Beverly missed a few games. Still, the Clippers do seem to have enough talent to contend for the playoffs.

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[Ruzious]

I wonder if Horford would have come here if it wasn't so obvious that he was our second choice. If EG made a max offer pitch to Horford at 12:01AM after the moratorium ended, would that have been a factor? Basically, was EG's biggest mistake his inability to recognize that we had no chance of landing Durant?

Boy, that's a great point that hasn't really been discussed - as far as I know. EG might as well have been a fanboy thinking the Wiz had a real chance at Durant. Horford should have been treated as Plan A; rather than basically an afterthought - and that could very well have been the reason he didn't come here. They should have rolled out the royal carpet on day 1 for Horford.

I don't think there was much EG could have done much more in the offseason. Horford honestly thought that Boston had a brighter future than Washington because they had made the playoffs the previous season, had a great head coach, had an opportunity to sign another all star caliber player, and had multiple picks that they could develop or trade. Remember this was when Beal was injury prone and Wall was considered our only all star caliber player.

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Considering that he almost chose Washington even though Washington waited until after Durant made his decision, anything could have swayed him. Certainly showing him more attention was the way to go, and EG failed to do so - by focusing all of his attention on Durant and making it obvious that Horford was just a fall-back option - apparently followed closely by... Ian Mahinmi. If you're a top-level guy, you expect more attention than EG showed. It wouldn't surprise me if EG said in negotiations - "Ok, Horford's agent, If we don't get you, we'll just sign Mahinmi in 2 minutes" - as if that represented bargaining power for EG.

[Kanyewest]

Boy, that's a great point that hasn't really been discussed - as far as I know. EG might as well have been a fanboy thinking the Wiz had a real chance at Durant. Horford should have been treated as Plan A; rather than basically an afterthought - and that could very well have been the reason he didn't come here. They should have rolled out the royal carpet on day 1 for Horford.

I don't think there was much EG could have done much more in the offseason. Horford honestly thought that Boston had a brighter future than Washington because they had made the playoffs the previous season, had a great head coach, had an opportunity to sign another all star caliber player, and had multiple picks that they could develop or trade. Remember this was when Beal was injury prone and Wall was considered our only all star caliber player.

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Considering that he almost chose Washington even though Washington waited until after Durant made his decision, anything could have swayed him. Certainly showing him more attention was the way to go, and EG failed to do so - by focusing all of his attention on Durant and making it obvious that Horford was just a fall-back option - apparently followed closely by... Ian Mahinmi. If you're a top-level guy, you expect more attention than EG showed. It wouldn't surprise me if EG said in negotiations - "Ok, Horford's agent, If we don't get you, we'll just sign Mahinmi in 2 minutes" - as if that represented bargaining power for EG.

Durant made his decision AFTER Horford, which was Durant's second choice after Golden State according to Woj. The Wizards barely had any focus on Durant, they didn't even have a meeting with him! I think it is silly to say that EG threatened Horford by saying that we would sign Ian instead. EG is not a great GM but you are giving him too much blame on this part. Now not signing some other good players on value deals like Dion Waiters, James Johnson, Seth Curry, and Dedmon could be something that you criticize EG for.

And probably the right play in retrospect would have been to sign Eric Gordon who made his decision to sign with the Rockets before Horford/Durant and the Rockets had about as many wins as the Wizards the previous season. Easier to say in retrospect given his injury history.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Charles Barkley when the Clippers were 5-2 https://streamable.com/qkbrb

Didn't their recent losing streak coincide with the injury to Milos Teodosic (sp?), who was looking like a promising replacement for Chris Paul?

Yeah, that could be the cause. Also Beverly missed a few games. Still, the Clippers do seem to have enough talent to contend for the playoffs.

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Now that Beverly is out for the season after having microfracture surgery, it is time to look at other players who might be available in trade.

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[Ruzious]

I don't think there was much EG could have done much more in the offseason. Horford honestly thought that Boston had a brighter future than Washington because they had made the playoffs the previous season, had a great head coach, had an opportunity to sign another all star caliber player, and had multiple picks that they could develop or trade. Remember this was when Beal was injury prone and Wall was considered our only all star caliber player.

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Considering that he almost chose Washington even though Washington waited until after Durant made his decision, anything could have swayed him. Certainly showing him more attention was the way to go, and EG failed to do so - by focusing all of his attention on Durant and making it obvious that Horford was just a fall-back option - apparently followed closely by... Ian Mahinmi. If you're a top-level guy, you expect more attention than EG showed. It wouldn't surprise me if EG said in negotiations - "Ok, Horford's agent, If we don't get you, we'll just sign Mahinmi in 2 minutes" - as if that represented bargaining power for EG.

Durant made his decision AFTER Horford, which was Durant's second choice after Golden State according to Woj. The Wizards barely had any focus on Durant, they didn't even have a meeting with him! I think it is silly to say that EG threatened Horford by saying that we would sign Ian instead. EG is not a great GM but you are giving him too much blame on this part. Now not signing some other good players on value deals like Dion Waiters, James Johnson, Seth Curry, and Dedmon could be something that you criticize EG for.

And probably the right play in retrospect would have been to sign Eric Gordon who made his decision to sign with the Rockets before Horford/Durant and the Rockets had about as many wins as the Wizards the previous season. Easier to say in retrospect given his injury history.

C'mon, those are facts, but they're irrelevant facts. Durant may not have chosen GS until after Horford signed, but Durant made it clear he wasn't considering the Wiz BEFORE the Wiz started going after Horford. The Wiz were still holding out hope - which was tiny at best - that they could get Durant - until he made it 100% clear that he wasn't coming here. If there was a 1% chance they could get Durant, the Wiz weren't going after Horford.