Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[bwgood77]

Two things need to happen around Dec 15.

Trade for a PG: Mudiay, Payton, Murray, Hill. Idc. Somebody capable of leading this team.

Commit to the Moose. Trade Len and run offense through him with new PG from time to time.

If McD does opposite of either thing above, I will

I could potential see the PG thing happening, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we rode out this year and took care of it in the offseason once our coach is figured out. It's a bit tough with there not being a ton of good young PGs in the league right now, and I doubt any team is itching to trade them either.

Committing to Moose likely ain't happening though. All the reports since he's been here have said that he is looking for a trade/buy-out and he won't stay here past this year. Could be some smoke, things could change, but I think he wants to be on a playoff team. Len probably doesn't get trade either unless he's a throw-in for a PG trade. Teams don't have a reason to give up an asset for a guy that doesn't make a big immediate impact and won't have a big FA market in the Summer.

Yeah, a lot of people want to keep Moose but if he wants a trade/buyout and won't stay (not 100% this is the case but it's been reported more than once) why would you keep him....IF that's the case? It would ultimately just be another guy who's unhappy to be here (if he doesn't want to be). He seems like a good guy that wouldn't complain but I wouldn't force him to stay if he wants out.

Yeah, I don't know about the PG situation. I'd love to get one and hate our predicament but you make a good point if we get a new coach who wants a certain type of PG, then should we just trade for a random one now? Maybe a cheap vet option. I wouldn't have minded a smart vet like Jameer Nelson when he was available. It's amazing such a position of strength a couple years ago is this bad.

I don't think Denver will trade Mudiay now that Nelson is gone and Murray is inconsistent and mostly playing poorly. Mudiay has played decent at times, so they hope at least one can play well any given night.

You probably would have to find a team with 3 pgs and be ok with their third stringer, or second stringer if he's overpaid.

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Lonzo Marshall

[darealjuice]

Yeah, a lot of people want to keep Moose but if he wants a trade/buyout and won't stay (not 100% this is the case but it's been reported more than once) why would you keep him....IF that's the case? It would ultimately just be another guy who's unhappy to be here (if he doesn't want to be). He seems like a good guy that wouldn't complain but I wouldn't force him to stay if he wants out.

Yeah, I don't know about the PG situation. I'd love to get one and hate our predicament but you make a good point if we get a new coach who wants a certain type of PG, then should we just trade for a random one now? Maybe a cheap vet option. I wouldn't have minded a smart vet like Jameer Nelson when he was available. It's amazing such a position of strength a couple years ago is this bad.

I don't think Denver will trade Mudiay now that Nelson is gone and Murray is inconsistent and mostly playing poorly. Mudiay has played decent at times, so they hope at least one an play well any given night.

You probably would have to find a team with 3 pgs and be ok with their third stringer, or second stringer if he's overpaid.

I'm sure we'll play Moose to showcase him and help get him onto a playoff team come the trade deadline, otherwise we'll probably buy him out so he can get on a playoff team by the playoff deadline. He has value to playoff teams as someone who can help shed a bad contract in a trade while providing cap relief in the offseason, so we might be able to bring back something for him depending on the market.

The point guard position is still really strong, it's the young guards that haven't been great. Kyrie, Schroder, DLo are the only established PGs under 25 that have/look like they could have a couple All Star appearances. Malcolm Brogdon and Elfrid Payton look like they'll be about average starting PGs, Dejounte Murray is a project that has had ups and downs for San Antonio, Dunn and Mudiay both look underwhelming for their draft positions, Jamal Murray has been up and down and is far from a traditional PG, and jury is obviously still out on Fultz, Ball, Fox, Smith Jr, and Ntilikina from last year's draft. The rookies and (potential) all stars aren't getting traded, and none of the other options look that great/likely, so I'm not expecting much to change for us at PG this year

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I still think that we should target T.J. McConnell.

Philly has Simmons running the point, and has Fultz, making TJ a bit expendable.

T.J is still young (25), has AZ history, and has a game that i think would be great for our team. He only looks for his own offense when its right (The reason he has high percentages). He is effective with any minutes given. High basketball IQ and great court vision.

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In a way, when you watch his highlights, it gives you flashes of Nash.

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He just has that smooth effortless playing style, specially when it comes to him setting up his teammates with great passes.

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[LukasBMW]

I still think that we should target T.J. McConnell.

Philly has Simmons running the point, and has Fultz, making TJ a bit expendable.

T.J is still young (25), has AZ history, and has a game that i think would be great for our team. He only looks for his own offense when its right (The reason he has high percentages). He is effective with any minutes given. High basketball IQ and great court vision.

Watch on YouTube

In a way, when you watch his highlights, it gives you flashes of Nash.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

He just has that smooth effortless playing style, specially when it comes to him setting up his teammates with great passes.

Watch on YouTube

I'd love to get him if the price is right, but I doubt Philly moves him until they see how Fultz plays. Even if Fultz plays well, they can keep TJ burried in a backup role and then possibly sign him to a decent deal as a RFA. You gotta think they'll keep him as a backup unless someone offers him crazy money.

I'm not sure Philly would even be interested in anything we have including picks. Their core looks really really good and you gotta think they will now spend money to keep it together.

[bwgood77]

I'd love to get McConell but can't see Philly trading a great bargain like him. I don't think he's like Nash. TJ is a feisty defender, gets a lot of steals and has become a decent 3 pt shooter and distributor. He has gotten where he is by leaving his heart on the floor and would be great to have next to Booker, but I wouldn't trade him if I was Philly. I don't see what we'd have that they'd want since they want to compete and he plays solid backup minutes for them. Maybe it changes if Fultz comes back and starts really balling quickly, but even if he does, I still doubt they'd deal him.

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Well damn, that Covington re-signing kinda **** things. Before, they had the capspace to do a Chandler/pick for TJ, which i think they would have done, but Covington took that all away.

As for the Nash comparison, i was speaking about his dribble penetration and passes and how he makes it look so effortless.

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..........buuuuuuuuuuuut, TJ/Bayless/Okafor does work for Chandler/James.

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TJ/Ulis/Bayless
Booker/Daniels
Warren/Jackson/Dudley
Bender/Chriss
Monroe/Okafor/Len

[Saberestar]

I would love to get McConnell too, but I do not think he is available.

We have talked before about Shelvin Mack from the Magic. That is a more realistic option.

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Mack is garbage.

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Jordan/SweetLou for Monroe/Chriss/James

Williams/Booker/Warren/Bender/Jordan

[Saberestar]

Jordan/SweetLou for Monroe/Chriss/James

Williams/Booker/Warren/Bender/Jordan

They would laugh really hard.

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Jordan/SweetLou for Monroe/Chriss/James

Williams/Booker/Warren/Bender/Jordan

They would laugh really hard.

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/deandre-jordan-clippers-trade-options-mavs-magic-cavs-bucks/4/

Phoenix: Greg Monroe and a young guy? Would Phoenix want to even give up a young asset for Jordan. I don’t like this for Phoenix or L.A.

[nevetsov]

I think after a few more DNPs Len's camp will start getting antsy, considering he's playing for a contract, so started to look for some teams that would use him (where he'd be 1 or 2 on the C depth chart) who could offer an expiring PG as a return (ideally with starting experience, short term replacement for Knight if possible):

Len to DAL for Devin Harris
Len to IND for Corey Joseph (if Joseph willing to waive player option next season, like VC did)
Len to UTA for Exum (out for the season, kick the tyres in the offseason, let him walk if no good)

I think SA would be the best fit but they really have nothing realistic to offer. ATL too.

[Kerrsed]

I think after a few more DNPs Len's camp will start getting antsy, considering he's playing for a contract, so started to look for some teams that would use him (where he'd be 1 or 2 on the C depth chart) who could offer an expiring PG as a return (ideally with starting experience, short term replacement for Knight if possible):

Len to DAL for Devin Harris
Len to IND for Corey Joseph (if Joseph willing to waive player option next season, like VC did)
Len to UTA for Exum (out for the season, kick the tyres in the offseason, let him walk if no good)

I think SA would be the best fit but they really have nothing realistic to offer. ATL too.

Well, the issue is he cant be traded until after December 23rd, and he has to OK whatever trade.

[nevetsov]

A month of DNPs and he'll be begging for a trade, that was my point.

[Qwigglez]

I could see maybe a Chriss for TJ and Okafor. But then we would need to cut two players to make room. And then would we want to trade Chriss considering how much we gave up for him in the draft.

[AtheJ415]

I like TJ a ton, but first, Philly won't be trading him. Maybe last year when he wasn't as proven, but certainly not now. His teammates love him and he produces, and on top of that they are trying to make the playoffs and have an injured Fultz. And even when Fultz comes back, TJ makes nothing for a number of years so why would they move him now, when his value will probably only go up over time? They would be much more likely to move Bayless imo.

Second, how the hell is the Chriss hate so bad that people are offering him for TJ? The upside matters here, and Chriss, despite people not liking his attitude and being unbelievably harsh in terms of expectations, is VERY productive for his age. He has also flashed some real rim protecting potential. His jumper is also much further along than certain other players at the same age (like Amare). I just don't get the desire to dump him now.

This team is not making the playoffs this year. We should not be making win now trades. We should be making trades that give us the highest chance of surrounding Booker with high upside performers. Chriss fits that bill.

Center has long been our weak spot, and while we may be stuck with Chandler for another season, I think the draft will give us another big and we can also grab Okafor in FA if we want to gamble. Maybe a short term "show me" type of deal (2 year 12 mil), which he may want if he indeed sees himself as a star.

[AtheJ415]

I think after a few more DNPs Len's camp will start getting antsy, considering he's playing for a contract, so started to look for some teams that would use him (where he'd be 1 or 2 on the C depth chart) who could offer an expiring PG as a return (ideally with starting experience, short term replacement for Knight if possible):

Len to DAL for Devin Harris
Len to IND for Corey Joseph (if Joseph willing to waive player option next season, like VC did)
Len to UTA for Exum (out for the season, kick the tyres in the offseason, let him walk if no good)

I think SA would be the best fit but they really have nothing realistic to offer. ATL too.

Well, the issue is he cant be traded until after December 23rd, and he has to OK whatever trade.

I'd love Exum, but he isn't okaying a move to a team that has Gobert unless Gobert is out for longer than expected. We would need to make it a 3 way trade with Len going somewhere he can play right now to prove his value before FA. That's the only way he signs off on it.